LookAtMeGo
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Its developed all in house. Its RADs baby. SSM had no hand in developing it.
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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Coulomb_Barrier
Member
I knew it was going to get 6's and 7's about 8 months ago, seriously.
I obviously don't know the quality of the game myself yet so I'll reserve judgement, But this is the type of game the terrible mainstream gaming press loves to hammer.
Ticks all the boxes:
More cinematic leaning
Single player
Sony exclusive
New i.p
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Never has a thread needed a ghst drive-by more than this one. Is there a beacon we can light or something?
Pop
Member
Well it will have moustaches, black bars and very decent graphics. Thats is certain.
People who think this is too filmic to play. I cannot blame them based on what we know so far.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
The Order 1886 breaks into the top 5 on Amazon. The people will speak with their wallets.
cripterion
Member
Do you also get critical with people who watch their friends play games when going over their house?
Sony exclusive? You really think they get reviewed and different than and other publisher?
Don't understand these two. Both single player and Sony games review extremely well.
LookAtMeGo
Member
If you sit at a friends for 5.5 hours watching them play a game and they don't hand you the controller, you need to get new friends.
Unless you feel like you have played it just by watching. Then you will probably get along just fine.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Because God of War 1, 2, 3 and Uncharted 1 and other Sony exclusives got 6's and 7's, right?
You are really reaching with your defense of The Order here. It's not the Holy Grail of PS4 games in 2015. Save your ammo for games that will need it.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
For sure. Some will like it and others will call it garbage. The reviews will probably be all over the place.
I can without question see it getting slammed hard for its short length, no extras and ho-hum gameplay.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
I don't mind shorter single player titles if the replay value is there.
NG+, unlockable skins (no dlc bullshit), collectables, higher difficulties requiring different play styles.
Basically, learn from games like TLoU, UC 1/2, and Metal Gear Solid series. Ignore games like Tomb Raider, God of War 1, and Bioshock Infinite. And all will be well.
NG+, unlockable skins (no dlc bullshit), collectables, higher difficulties requiring different play styles.
Basically, learn from games like TLoU, UC 1/2, and Metal Gear Solid series. Ignore games like Tomb Raider, God of War 1, and Bioshock Infinite. And all will be well.
cripterion
Member
I wasn't talking about me, I just don't see the point in policing people's ways of spending their time.
And maybe, people wouldn't have to share the controller with their friend if they included co-op in the game
LookAtMeGo
Member
Lol touchè.I wasn't talking about me, I just don't see the point in policing people's ways of spending their time.
And maybe, people wouldn't have to share the controller with their friend if they included co-op in the game
Edit: couch co op in 2015? This aint Nintendo.
The Last of Us doesn't quite fit with this.
Or maybe the games you had in mind just weren't that good?
Sony exclusive? Enlighten us.
CanUKlehead
Member
Surely Peter Molyneux is one of the happiest people in gaming the last 24 hours.
Higgins113
Banned
It's means that it's only coming out on PS4
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Yeah. Besides Nintendo is there any major publisher whose games review better overall?
travisbickle
Member
Ryse didn't receive any 9's. People are forgetting why Ryse scored low, it wasn't the length in fact if it was longer it probably would've scored lower.
I'd rather like to know why someone says that "the terrible mainstream gaming press loves to hammer Sony exclusive(s)"? I'm not a part of any mainstream gaming press, but I've reviewed games in past (for a blog/steam/friends) and criticized about their length and value regardless of platform.
Cave Johnson
Member
Should they wait for post-release embargo so they can get those good Day 1 sales before the "bad" reviews kick in?
King Beyond the wall
Member
You think it will review badly? Gaffer impressions have been very positive.
LookAtMeGo
Member
I think it will be a mixed bag. Some good, some bad. The bad ones will no doubt be the ones that get the attention though. Im pretty positive about that.
Might be off a little as im doing this quickly on my break.
Console exclusives, dont matter if first party or not.
PS3
59 games 80+
Average score: 85.98
Xbox 360
51 games 80+
Average score 83.13
Didnt bother going below that as im sure all the kinect shovelware would just wipe 360 on its ass anyway.
Proof being a Sony exclusive gets you lower review scores
I think they offer their technological expertise, but it is very much a game designed by RAD.
But the best tech in The Order will appear in the next God of War, you best believe dat.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
REmake was just re-released and can be completed in as little as four hours without much effort and just some memorization, and people love it. This game? Fuck it if it isn't outrageously long. You won't know if there is replay value until you play the game for yourself. Are we sure there isn't a new game plus or extra weapons or collectibles in the game?
It must be incredibly frustrating for developers nowadays to even consider making a game in the same vein as The Order, considering how the media and "hobbyists" get if it doesn't meet a check list of quality. Do people even understand the difference between experiencing a game for themselves and watching someone else experience it on YouTube? The medium is meant to be played, not watched. So how the fuck can you make qualms about the game not being worth it if you haven't even fucking played it?
My mind is full of fucking fuck.
It must be incredibly frustrating for developers nowadays to even consider making a game in the same vein as The Order, considering how the media and "hobbyists" get if it doesn't meet a check list of quality. Do people even understand the difference between experiencing a game for themselves and watching someone else experience it on YouTube? The medium is meant to be played, not watched. So how the fuck can you make qualms about the game not being worth it if you haven't even fucking played it?
My mind is full of fucking fuck.
Just breathe.
Eh, so many bad news means I am holding back the purchase. I had hopes but this seems to be another technical marvel a la Ryse (which I enjoyed a lot). But honestly 6 hours for a "cinematic game". At least bundle co-op or some sort of MP, this would have benefited from that.
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
...but haven't GAF members been positive in their reviews of the game?
I think, certainly when you've been playing games for a long time, you can interpret how you would feel about a lot of games based on seeing the features of it, without necessarily playing it. I haven't made a judgement on whether The Order: 1886 is a good or bad game, because I don't think that would be fair, but there are certainly some games that I can tell are pieces of shit from a mile away (again, The Order is not one of these games). Just because I haven't done things with my thumbs, and seen something change on a screen, doesn't mean I can't have a good idea of what my experience with a certain game would be.
In fact, with less and less games getting a demo, games are primarily sold on what you see. You might look at a game like Uncharted 4 and think "I don't see anything compelling" based on what you have played of similar games, you might look at another game and think "I know I'll like that".
So a person's 'gut feeling' regarding a game isn't invalid. It isn't nearly as credible as a hands-on impression, but it isn't entirely factitious either, particularly when you are considering a game not for its 'feel' but on its features ("I don't like cover shooters" -> "The Order is a cover shooter" -> "I probably won't like The Order" etc).
Dude, all of these threads are well beyond saving, really suggest just backing out and waiting until Thursday
Amentallica
Unconfirmed Member
I make gut choices all of the time. But this game isn't just being written off by many in here as simply not being their type of game. It's being considered a poor game by some, when once again, an audioless YT video is what gave that impression. I agree with you, but I don't agree with deconstructive hollowness and reductionism in many posts here.
Sunset overdrive was shit on as well
Maybe people are defending the game because they are interested in the premise.
Freeman
Banned
Wasn't Infamous: Second Son single player only, short and still reviewed well? I think people are underestimating this game.
What I think RaD should do is to announce that they will be including more content for free, like a harder difficulty and maybe some single player, some challenges, etc. This would defuse most of the insanity.
The level of scrutiny this game is being subjected to before release is just unhealthy.
What I think RaD should do is to announce that they will be including more content for free, like a harder difficulty and maybe some single player, some challenges, etc. This would defuse most of the insanity.
The level of scrutiny this game is being subjected to before release is just unhealthy.
In case you're interested, I did an analysis of the 5:30 walkthrough. Notes:
Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.
So, here it is
Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26
Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%
Gameplay include walking sessions, prompts for actions that aren't inserted in mere cutscene sessions (like pushing a carriage)
QTE include prompts for actions insterted in mere cutscene sessions
Cutscenes include mere videos
This isn't 100% accurate, but it should give you a decent idea.
So, here it is
Prologue - Total | 12:28 --> Gameplay | 3:39 - QTE | 1:58 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Chapter 1 - Total | 29:23 --> Gameplay | 20:20 - Cutscenes | 9:03
Chapter 2 - Total | 16:33 --> Gameplay | 6:43 - Cutscenes | 9:49
Chapter 3 - Total | 46:00 --> Gameplay | 32:36 - QTE | 0:54 - Cutscenes | 12:30
Chapter 4 - Total | 24:25 ---> Gameplay | 12:20 - QTE | 2:21 - Cutscenes | 9:46
Chapter 5 - Total | 32:41 --> Gameplay | 24:17 - QTE | 0:32 - Cutscenes | 7:52
Chapter 6 - Total | 7:32 --> Gameplay | 1:42 - QTE | 0.18 - Cutscenes | 5:32
Chapter 7 - Total | 6:41 ---> Cutscenes | 6:41
Chapter 8 - Total | 21:37 --> Gameplay | 9:30 - QTE | 0:07 - Cutscenes | 12:00
Chapter 9 - Total | 43:07 --> Gameplay | 31:13 - QTE | 1:13 - Cutscenes | 10:41
Chapter 10 - Total | 4:07 --> Cutscenes | 4:07
Chapter 11 - Total | 44:15 --> Gameplay | 33:13 - QTE | 1:07 - Cutscenes | 9:55
Chapter 12 - Total | 5:37 --> Cutscenes | 5:37
Chapter 13 - Total | 5:17 --> Gameplay | 0:04 - Cutscenes | 5:13
Chapter 14 - Total | 5:31 --> Gameplay | 1:47 - Cutscenes | 3:44
Chapter 15 - Total | 10:48 --> Gameplay | 9:24 - Cutscenes | 1:24
Chapter 16 - Total | 9:23 --> QTE | 2:33 - Cutscenes | 6:50
Walkthrough - Total | 325:17 --> Gameplay | 186:48 - QTE | 11:03 - Cutscenes | 127:26
Percentages
Gameplay | 57,43%
QTE | 3.4%
Cutscenes | 39.17%
Wow, that's comprehensive.
EDIT:
So, in the famed walkthrough, the player spent a little over 3 hours playing the game itself?
People want multiplayer and co-op
They want to play it with friendd
They want gears if war with mustaches.
Yet RAD could hardly get the single player done.
Again, expectations of gamers are too damn high
I think it will fair well, maybe 8.0 to 8.5 by critics. User scores will be 2.3 though. See that coming from a mile away.
Oh damn. People weren't exaggerating about how many cutscenes there are.
hooijdonk17
Member
So basically it's 3 hours of gameplay for $60.
Pass.
EDIT: Also had to edit this in: If this is true, it will cause a tumultous shitstorm.
Well if you want to play it on Easy difficult setting and arent picking up stuff & storming your way through. In that case its a wrong game for you.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I thought you were 'super into writing'. Going by your posts in this thread (I don't need to read any of your work to make this decision) I would say your writing is shit and you should give it up.
Nice looking game, top-heavy on the cinematics, decent start to the story but rapidly becomes shit until that terrible ending, gameplay is pretty awful. Quite short as well. Lol.