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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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Imru al-Qays
Banned
The only one of those times we can actually verify is the 5.5 hour one.
Nintendo is way too complicated to get into in this post. I'd love to do it but I have to sleep eventually. Find me in a Nintendo thread tomorrow or something for a detailed post. Essentially, they sell specific 'types' of games. Length isn't relevant, what is is that no one else makes those kind of games anymore. If you want an exceptionally polished 3D Platformer you don't have a whole lot of options.
9 to 13 hours is way different from 5. Those games have multiplayer now, they have co-op...but more importantly they have been losing money for a few years now and are on track to lose money again with the new one coming out later this month.
There is a difference between contradiction and you not agreeing with my points (primarily fueled by my inability ((for lack of time)) to explain what I'm actually thinking)
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Not saying that gaffers are liars but the one of the two people who beat it in five hours, (the second being a german youtuber who did collect collectibles), had full playthroughs available for public viewing. Which is why they get more attention.
Question- If you know that the game is only a few hours before purchasing it... Why not just wait a few months for the inevitable price drop (or just get it used a month after it comes out for much less)?
Video evidence > a bunch of anonymous posts.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Imru’ al-Qays;152405657 said:
Again, there is trophy data that says it was beaten in 10 as well. And that's just the time from the first trophy popped to the platinum, it very well could have taken more than 10.
bananafactory
Banned
The platinum doesn't represent finishing the game though, it represents getting all the other trophies.
Also trophy data is unreliable since we don't know the pattern of the person playing. They could have paused the game for 5 hours in between trophies.
Those people didn't soak in the atmosphere properly.
A proper soaking can get you about 20 hours out of this game
and also the platinum
Imru al-Qays
Banned
These points are so utterly elementary it's kind of shocking that they need to be stated at all.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
Fair enough, but we could look at the unlock times for each. Not sure where that link went.
bananafactory
Banned
Imru al-Qays;152406149 said:
Yeah, I mean I am firmly in the camp that believes it will take me closer to 8+ hours to finish the game than 5, but mining trophy data for determining completion time is a joke.
grandwizard
Member
Where does this stupid perception that Sony games are somehow more critically scrutinized than Microsoft or Nintendo games come from?
With the PS4's sales lead surely you're bitching about a vocal minority?
More to the point, the PS4 is unequivocally the more powerful console, it's public and media image is far more favourable than the XB1 and there are a slate of great 2015 exclusives on the way.
Where does the persecution complex come from?
With the PS4's sales lead surely you're bitching about a vocal minority?
More to the point, the PS4 is unequivocally the more powerful console, it's public and media image is far more favourable than the XB1 and there are a slate of great 2015 exclusives on the way.
Where does the persecution complex come from?
Couldn't resist, apologies to some of Chrome gaf.
Could get an awful lot of mileage out of this scene. >.>
lol.
I'm curious to who literally watched a 5.5 hour long video of a walk through....every minute of it.
-MD-
Member
People do it, if there was a game someone was going to watch an entire playthrough of then a shorter, heavily cinematic one would probably be a good choice.
I'm going to assume this is a rent queue or something? Why wouldn't you buy Bloodborne?
Here it is: http://psnprofiles.com/ReNeGaDe124 It doesn't factor in the breaks the person could have taken though, so it's useless.
It's not a problem when there's just so much atmosphere to soak in.
LightofRohan
Member
The people that think if a game is like a movie, the developers don't deserve any money and they experience it for free.
But let's all buy call of duty and assassins creed a million more times!
It comes from last gen. Microsoft did (and still does, really) put out more consistent 8 out of 10+ titles than Sony. Sony put out a lot of experimental (and some straight-up bad) games. Think Puppeteer (or, as far as bad goes, Twisted Metal or GoW:A).
The real kicker - the thing that nailed this perception in for people - is that the AAA hitters were few and far between. Those heavy hitters are reviewed and respected as the titans they are, but the spacing was a bit weird. You would, occasionally, have an entire year without a honest-to-god AAA title from Sony. That is ok, mind you - the people complaining about the reviews Sony gets surely liked what was being released (I did!) - but the reviewing press largely doesn't. IGN, GameInformer, etc all live and die off AAA. It's where they get the traffic, the ads, the everything from.
Experimental games generally don't review as well as a solid AAA title, even when you remove all else. Combine that with the sorry state of GT as of late and you get a lot of 'reviewers are being unkind' stuff, when it's really just unintentional bias on the part of the press towards the 'big' and the 'AAA' and a preference on internet fourms for anything but.
Sony's been better about making stuff with a greater chance of mainstream appeal this gen, though!
Well this was a crazy thread. Anyhow, I'm waiting to buy this until the price is better. Games are way to expensive in Sweden as it is and I'm not willing to dish out full price for a short game experience regardless of how awesome those hours would be. If reviews says its longer than what seems to be the case right now I might bite on release.
With that said, I'm hoping the game is great!
With that said, I'm hoping the game is great!
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
http://psnprofiles.com/trophies/3291-The-Order-1886/ReNeGaDe124
Eh he got it in a day, says first one didn't unlock till about 2 hours in. That would put him around 8-9 hours with breaks. It matches to what other gaffers are saying, although it does mean he literally did everything.
He talked about his breaks on gaf did he not? He thinks it took him about 9 hours to beat.
sindbadthesailor
Member
Because I'd have something to play on my PSV then.
Sorry, but this is a shit post if I've ever seen one.
Ok, and so these people that watch the 5.5 hour long video of a walk though? Have also played the game? They can vouch for the video being accurate?
Please don't get all console warriory on me. I'm trying to explain perception ("why do Sony games get worse reviews than MS?") to a guy. The post does not represent how I feel. You are also quoting a work-in-progress post that I made too early - I edited it a bunch since. If you want to have a go at the final version of the post, I just submitted it (almost a half hour after I wrote the initial version. I suck.)
BoxManLocke
Member
Unfortunately I had to cancel my preorder. There are way too many games coming out this year and I don't have nearly enough money to justify spending 60 on a relatively short SP campaign, although I'm sure it would take me a lot longer that 5 or 6 hours to beat it.
I'll borrow it from a friend and if I really like it, I'll buy it at a lower price to support RAD.
I hope the game sells decently. Its marketing was pretty bad from start to finish but it never deserved to get so much hate.
I'll borrow it from a friend and if I really like it, I'll buy it at a lower price to support RAD.
I hope the game sells decently. Its marketing was pretty bad from start to finish but it never deserved to get so much hate.
No kidding.
This game is like Driveclub 2.0 and all the hate it got before release. So I guess that means that will be great and successful.
I wrote this in the form of a tweet, but I feel it has bearing here:
Watching and playing are two completely different things. Gaming as a medium, is best experienced, when your PLAYING it.
Call me crazy- but if I come to a point where I consciously watch 5 and a half hours of a game on YouTube to somehow justify my qualms; I think I should be ashamed to even be apart of the conversation.
Every single bullet point- except the one's that matter are being thrown around. This thread is currently debating-
1. The Definition of a Game versus Film
2. The "Optimal" amount of cinematics in a game
3. If QTE's can be considered gameplay
4. If exploration counts as gameplay
5. How many hours should be considered "nominal" for a AAA experience
Etc.
The most important thing - the overall impression, that feeling when the credits finally roll, and that aura of completing the game- is lost because there are posts in here that are more concerned with calling this game 3 hours long, a QTE simulator, and "Not even worth a rental."
I don't care if you someone watches the game on YouTube, but to come in here and justify how a game isn't worth anyone's time because it didn't provide that breathtaking experience you wanted from a YouTube stream with no audio- that says more about your gaming habits than it does about the game.
Watching and playing are two completely different things. Gaming as a medium, is best experienced, when your PLAYING it.
Call me crazy- but if I come to a point where I consciously watch 5 and a half hours of a game on YouTube to somehow justify my qualms; I think I should be ashamed to even be apart of the conversation.
Every single bullet point- except the one's that matter are being thrown around. This thread is currently debating-
1. The Definition of a Game versus Film
2. The "Optimal" amount of cinematics in a game
3. If QTE's can be considered gameplay
4. If exploration counts as gameplay
5. How many hours should be considered "nominal" for a AAA experience
Etc.
The most important thing - the overall impression, that feeling when the credits finally roll, and that aura of completing the game- is lost because there are posts in here that are more concerned with calling this game 3 hours long, a QTE simulator, and "Not even worth a rental."
I don't care if you someone watches the game on YouTube, but to come in here and justify how a game isn't worth anyone's time because it didn't provide that breathtaking experience you wanted from a YouTube stream with no audio- that says more about your gaming habits than it does about the game.
I feel the same way. If Bloodborne wasn't coming out next month, I would probably pick this up. The people that worked on it seemed to have worked hard and passionately though, so I hope it all ends up good for them.
Maybe because they don't have any other games to play at the moment.
Maybe none of the recent releases interested them and this one does
Maybe because they want to be in on the day 1 experience
Maybe because they don't hang onto their games and know they can sell their copy of the game for $40 a week later making it a $20 dollar purchase for a few hours instead of waiting a month or more for it to reach that price point
Maybe they like what they see and alright with the price
Maybe they want to show their support to the RAD and new IP in general and get it day 1
Plenty of reasons why someone might not wait or wait to make a purchase of this, or any game. If they feel the cost for entrance isn't to much that's all that matters.
Malcolm9
Member
I don't really see the problem, if you buy it and complete it fairly quickly, depending on your play style, then trade it in and you'll practically get most of your money back anyway.
I can't wait to play this game personally, I'll enjoy it for what it offers then trade it in for something else if their isn't much replay value.
I can't wait to play this game personally, I'll enjoy it for what it offers then trade it in for something else if their isn't much replay value.
bananafactory
Banned
Story issues?
Imru al-Qays
Banned
If we're really going to be trophy detectives: note that there's 3.5 hours of (play?)time between his beating the game and his getting the last trinket.
Pop
Member
Ok sure
but this isn't the spoiler thread
Edit: Every AAA gets the same shit thrown at them, so whatever
stay there dude
No warring here, but you might want to reconsider your phrasing. Both release shit games and good games and both get criticised. The reality is Sony games don't get worse reviews than MS, and trying to argue a reason for it will just lead you down the wrong path. Sorry for the harshness but if you really do want to avoid warriors that's not the post to do it.
ChawlieTheFair
pip pip cheerio you slags!
lol
Imru’ al-Qays;152407544 said:
Ah ok.
Edit: so 10 to platinum, plus 2 for first trophy pop, minus 3 for replaying collectibles. So bout 9 hours.
Again, rough, and that's just assuming he's right about the first trophy pop.
StoppedInTracks
Member
I wanted RAD to be the 2nd Naughty Dog :/
bananafactory
Banned
Not saying they will but it's far too early to write them off. Uncharted 1 had quite a few issues that were fixed with 2.
-MD-
Member
Have the people that watched the video played the game? Well the game doesn't release for another 3 days so I'm gonna guess no, they haven't.
What do you mean by the video being accurate? It seems to be free of editing and a complete playthrough of the game from chapter to chapter if that's what you're asking.
StoppedInTracks
Member
lol and all but why wasn't Bloodborne in the first place from the beginning? Never doubt From Software.
LightofRohan
Member
I know. I only judge Nd off of Uncharted 1 also.
I don't jump to conclusions or anything.
Jawbreaker
Member
Plot holes? I'm assuming it's story related.
I heavily rewrote the post. I unintentionally submitted it before I was done. Still new here, not entirely used to the UI. Please, criticize my phrasing and ideas all you want - it helps improve future posts.
I don't have the time (It's 2:30 AM and I want to get some sleep) to pull Metacritics for all first party games last gen, but I'm sure Sony did worse on average as they - simply put - put out more duds than MS did. Maybe the Kinect titles evened it out?
That's not really relevant though, as I'm trying to explain perception as opposed to reality - to explain why people think something (and oh boy, do they think it) and what contributes to that belief. That's all!
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
They slice them into a "-"movie''-". The Mortal Kombat 9 Movie is out there as well. I'm sure there's a BioShock and a Dead Space movie out there as well too.
I see a lot of people are waiting, fair enough. I still think it will be worth the investment. A solid shooter told in RAD's methods. I'm getting this for one main reason and it beats game length and that's Van Helsing and Hellgate London. Two series I've inspired from greatly, but neither have hit that level for me yet. A solid game in a certain era that pays off. Castlevania and Nightmare Creatures have a completely different response from my liking. For one they don't always include a heavy arsenal of weapons and they didn't try the Gears of War or RE4 method of cover based 3rd person action. Hellgate was just disappointing.