The other thing is that Forza 2's development wasn't that smooth. There have been all sorts of stories about its rocky development. I think if anything the awesomeness of FM3 demonstrates just how crazy and turbulent Forza 2's development was. Obviously someone at the Microsoft mothership sat down with the studio to straighten everything out. Maybe it was just a matter of getting the right people (both quality and quantity) and streamlining the development process (similar to what Bungie went through between Halo 2 and Halo 3). The fact that Turn 10 has cranked up everything so much says a lot about what was left on the table after Forza 2 was pushed out the door.
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Forza Motorsport 3 - October 2009 release (ignore the OP at your peril)
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Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
Start drooling
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/50683.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-L60FEOTY
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About that cockpit 60fps/30 it SEEMS that it's running @ 30FPS in that game trailers video because the video is encoded @ 30fps. Take a look, people like me that can see the difference look at the guys arm (real life not game) moving and judge their fps, looks like it's 30fps but only because of the video encode.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/50683.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-L60FEOTY
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About that cockpit 60fps/30 it SEEMS that it's running @ 30FPS in that game trailers video because the video is encoded @ 30fps. Take a look, people like me that can see the difference look at the guys arm (real life not game) moving and judge their fps, looks like it's 30fps but only because of the video encode.
Lionheart1827
Member
I dont get the hype about the GT-R. I'd rather drive a Lambo or a ZR-1 vette.
I guess to each his own. Can't wait for this damn game!
I guess to each his own. Can't wait for this damn game!
bloodforge
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RSTEIN said:
All of 2 people have said that.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
RSTEIN said:
I'm willing to bet even that will be at 60 by the time it ships. I mean, you don't exhaust so much effort getting it to 60, make it such an important bullet point that it's at 60, and then leave one of the views at 30.
Insane Metal
Member
Wow, looks prettySlayer-33 said:
Psychotext
Member
Words can't describe how much I want that hydraulic chair. :lolSlayer-33 said:
Slayer-33 said:
lol at the GT vid
first his face is covered by the speaker...then he says "cameano veeho" ...then he admits to sucking at driving and going A/T. cant blame him though hes giving an interview while in that awesome hydraulic chair.....then he rewinds and says so that never happened then he hits the same wall....then he tries to flip and fails... lol
Scottlarock
Banned
I might be the only one, but I hope the livery are harder to copy. I bought rare cars only to see them everywhere on the auction block, but then again I did sell a million in space bucks for $25 in real bucks on ebay. I hope they make the custom designs harder to come by.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Slayer-33 said:
Damn! Gameplay Replay looks awesome. I bet there will be some cost (money taken away from the reward) for using it in career mode.
good god that dash is horridskyfinch said:They designed the screen part in the center of the dash.
op_ivy said:
could just have been an older build we were playing.. im sure che will chime in sooner or later. also the last people to call me unreputable over something at E3 were the fallout nutcases over at NMA, sorry i just tell it how i see it.
Shogmaster
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Make that 3 guys (including me) now. Here's the whole story:op_ivy said:
Today, I went and checked out the game that was NOT the 3 screen motorized seat set up (meaning, a regular kiosk w controller). In that set up, the camera change button is the standard right bumper as explained in the load screen. In the wheels/3 screen set up, they had to remap the buttons so searching for the right bumper would not have mattered (It's X button if you care). So basically, no one ever changed the camera from the cockpit view when they played one of those awesome 3 screen set ups (and why would you? the whole set up was to emulate the in car experience). But with the regular kiosk, it's easy to figure out how to change the camera and everybody does it.
On Tuesday, I played nothing but the wheel/3 screen set up (because it's so damn cool, obviously), so I just took in whatever the framerate I saw as 60 that was reported (yes, my internal frame rate counter is obviously not well calibrated).
Today, I tried out the regular kiosk. And when you change the camera away from the cockpit view, it's VERY easy to see that it's running less smoothly than the other views! I don't know if the cockpit view is running 30, 40, or 45 fps, but it's definitely less than whatever the other views are (probably 60, which I can't say for sure since my internal frame rate detector seems to suck). VERY easy to see the difference cycling through the views.
So I talked to one of the devs manning the kiosks. Here's the deal: The cockpit view was implemented last, and it employs a different lighting model than the other views. Thus it needs way more optimizing than the other views. Dan was there, so I cornered him on this. He says wait until final code. They will get there (FYI, the E3 demo code is about a month old).
So that's the whole story. Whoever that guy was in this thread was right on. Props to him and my apologies for doubting him.
Forza 3 will indeed ship on two discs. One of them will be the full game, another will include a bunch of extra cars and a few extra tracks for data transfer to the 360's hard drive.
http://tinyurl.com/p9vv48Joystick said:
tahrikmili
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So it will basically partially install to the hard drive. I'm ok with it but I can see how this will be a problem if it keeps happening. I have a 20GB hard drive after all and I can't install more than one game at the same time.
Spaceman Spiff
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tahrikmili said:
I'm in the same boat, but hopefully the cars and tracks on the second disc won't take up as much space as a full game install, (which I'll use for the core game anyways). I'd much rather they implement it as a 2-disc set than cut content or charge for it as DLC later on.
The framerate issues are a bit worrisome, but there's months of dev time to go; surely T10 will have it straightened out when it comes time to ship.
Shogmaster
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I'm down to 24GB in my Elite.h3ro said:Times like this make me happy I went with the Elite.
Shogmaster
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No need to kill anyone. Just $50,000. LOLZsantouras said:
h3ro said:Time to clean out the old stuff. I cleaned out my old demos/videos but left most of my current games installed (7-8 titles, including the last two discs of Lost Odyssey and lots of Gears 2 map packs).
65.5GB free.
You're right. Time to do spring cleaning of demos.
Crag Dweller
aka kindbudmaster
What were your first impressions of the new Fantec wheel Shog?
I second the request for the wheel impressions. How was the clutch pressure and if you used it, were you able to initiate a drift via clutch kick?
I'm glad they are taking the 2 disc approach and not compromising the quality/quantity of cars/tracks to make the game work on a single disc. People with Arcades can play the game, but won't get the extra stuff. Works fine by me.
I'm glad they are taking the 2 disc approach and not compromising the quality/quantity of cars/tracks to make the game work on a single disc. People with Arcades can play the game, but won't get the extra stuff. Works fine by me.
Shogmaster
Member
Is that the wheel in the hydraulics set up? That wheel is definitely better than the MS wheel. Less deadness in the center. Decent amount of force feedback. More oomph than the MS wheel in that regard IIRC. Pretty good D pad and buttons. Not too intuitive in layout of the buttons though. Looked good however.
The clutch was turned off as was the gear shift. Only paddle shift was used.
The clutch was turned off as was the gear shift. Only paddle shift was used.
Randy Lanzarote
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DuckRacer said:
Now I wonder if that'll mean we'll have three versions shipping? Single disc for HDD-less people, two-disc for the full experience and 3 discs for those sad nerdlingers who like to pretend their race drivers
is the LE coming to the UK?
We need Che back in this thread, so many questions being raised, no-one here to answer them
Shogmaster said:
I never doubted him. What I was wondering was if it had motion blur as well, because that may have fooled some people.
If it wasn't locked at 30fps (meaning 30-60 and everywhere in between, which can have a jerky appearance to it) that would indicate to me that they are definitely in the process of optimizing it.
Diablohead
Member
It's a good thing I don't install games to my launch HDD isn't it, and since F3 is using a 2nd dvd I guess it's going to be more then just a few hundred MB for an install...
The reason why I don't install to my launch hdd is because of performance issues, for what I have read and seen all launch hdd's are not as nimble-quick as the later drives, probably why I see little to no difference in loading for forza 2, gears of war etc.
Yet again it sucks to be a launch owner. Not fooling for it again next gen.
The reason why I don't install to my launch hdd is because of performance issues, for what I have read and seen all launch hdd's are not as nimble-quick as the later drives, probably why I see little to no difference in loading for forza 2, gears of war etc.
Yet again it sucks to be a launch owner. Not fooling for it again next gen.
Ok, so this is an important news day! I'm glad we got the whole 30fps think sorted out. Hopefully the final code will be running at a buttery smooth 60fps.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A SECOND DISC INSTALL! Actually, many months ago, I thought that this would happen with several 2nd/3rd gen Xbox 360 games. I presented this view and was laughed at. The first hint came when Rockstar said that they were indeed hitting disc limitations with GTAIV but they weren't worried about GTAV because "we've come up with a solution with Microsoft." The ONLY possible solution is to have a second disc that installs directly to the HDD and really isn't touched again. Of course arcade gamers are a bit screwed here but unfortunately this is the way it has to be.
Unfortunately there's really no big expose or anything out there. Just stories here in there. May be 100% false but I think it's obvious from the final product that Forza 2 had a lot of problems along the way (the final product happens to be one of the best racers ever!). The fact that there's such a huge improvement with the core engine in Forza 3 is proof of this.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF A SECOND DISC INSTALL! Actually, many months ago, I thought that this would happen with several 2nd/3rd gen Xbox 360 games. I presented this view and was laughed at. The first hint came when Rockstar said that they were indeed hitting disc limitations with GTAIV but they weren't worried about GTAV because "we've come up with a solution with Microsoft." The ONLY possible solution is to have a second disc that installs directly to the HDD and really isn't touched again. Of course arcade gamers are a bit screwed here but unfortunately this is the way it has to be.
op_ivy said:
Unfortunately there's really no big expose or anything out there. Just stories here in there. May be 100% false but I think it's obvious from the final product that Forza 2 had a lot of problems along the way (the final product happens to be one of the best racers ever!). The fact that there's such a huge improvement with the core engine in Forza 3 is proof of this.
Opus Angelorum
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RSTEIN said:
I recall talking about it on this very forum some time ago, if I remember correctly the last two/three months of development saved it from being an absolute disaster.
too good to be true!!
Forza 3 will be 1080p/60fps,10x polygons of forza 2.
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090603_212305.html
Forza 3 will be 1080p/60fps,10x polygons of forza 2.
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20090603_212305.html
Opus Angelorum
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chris0701 said:
What!
SimpleDesign
Member
I've heard them say 60fps and 10x as many polygons as FM2, but 1080p? Maybe they just mean support for 1080p.chris0701 said:
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