finally, i can force people into hsienko mirror matches with them walkspeeds and bison's teleport dash
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Fighting Games Weekly | July 20-26 | No Gods or Kings, Only Tears
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notworksafe
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For casuals/weeklies it's not really a big deal. For anything large we do, we enforce the ban on wireless stuff and PS3 sticks.
It just ends up being a hassle, always takes up too much time, and then someone forgets to turn off the DS4 they were using and it fucks something up with the next match being played.
We haven't had SG at a big event since last September so I dunno what we'll do if we run a PS4 tourney for it.
All that being said, we had a regional last month and allowed PS3/Wireless stuff for MKX since people wouldn't have had time to buy new controllers/sticks yet. It didn't go too bad but there were definitely delays because of controller issues.
There was a 10~ minute gameplay session with Peter afterwards where more smaller questions were answered. I didn't ask about 2 button dash because plainly I felt like it wasn't a good question regarding SFV and there were more interesting things I wanted to know at that moment.
"SFV was built with esports in mind" was interesting to me. Raised a lot of "can't answer you now" questions.
The Sarcastic Dude
Banned
Oh, sorry. I misinterpreted your post. I see what your saying now.
Holy Order Sol
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notworksafe
Member
The MKX method is especially annoying. Someone was saying the USF4 method is basically the same as MKX's, but I haven't tried it.
IIRC in SG you can actually just turn the DS4 off after your stick is in, right? That's much nicer but again relies on a player actually doing that.
Pretty sure in SG, you just plug in a ps3 stick. MikeZ posted a vid that was taken down.
I thought MKX patched their method for the driver to match SG, but I could be mistaken.
Shouta
Member
It's all the same for wireless pads. You can turn them off but that doesn't prevent them from accidentally being connected again. SG is no different. For PS3 sticks, SG has it properly implemented where you start the game on a DS4 and then can turn it off (erase) and then plug your PS3 stick in to play.
You can erase DS4s from the bluetooth memory to prevent that. It takes all of like 15-20 seconds to do as long as folks are doing it before their match.
notworksafe
Member
Oh? I thought you still needed the whole bullshit with syncing a DS4 and then taking it out and all the rest. And I don't use a stick on MKX, so I'll have to check if it was changed. I just use a DS4 with the battery removed.
I get that it's easy for a lot of people to just remember to turn off/erase pads. That's why we don't mind people doing that for weeklies, when there's a core group of ~20 people that know what to do. But when you get into 100+ players in a tourney, it's just easier to not give them the option to screw up, heh.
Hot Coldman
Banned
these Street Fighter V characters are getting worse and worse
notworksafe
Member
those kuro buttons are definitely a love/hate thing but the hayabusa stick is just a dream imo.
In 100% seriousness, how many people have you found that agree with the idea of a 2 button dash in street fighter? From a design perspective it just seems to make zero sense for a game like it (how it would impact charge moves, how it would impact negative edge moves, etc).
I get you really really really want it for some reason, but I get the feeling that you're in the vast minority here and I don't quite get why you keep pushing for it.
Hope so because I just bought one lol
"God's Beard!"
Member
You know what game needs a two-button dash? Jojo's Bizarre Fucking Adventure. Crouch-canceling dashes for combos in that game is some bullshit.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Not quite. In SG I've noticed that if you have something like a matchmaking error happen it brings up a PS4 error screen that you have to usea DS4 to hit OK on
Two button dash in SFV makes about as much sense to me as two button dash in Tekken.
Sure it's technically faster to have it be on two buttons as opposed to double tap direction... but it would be faster to have double tap button for SRK or QCF motions as well.
SFV already has many buttons that are reserved for double tapping. You have LP + LK for throw, MP + MK for V-Skills and HP + HP for V-Trigger. You of course can't have LP + HP because of EX moves. That just leaves weird stuff like LP + MK which just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Like if you are having trouble with forward, forward then you would probably have trouble with doing stuff like super jump dash motions as well. Why not have double buttons for super jump as well? Or have double button input for double jumps as well?
Sure it's technically faster to have it be on two buttons as opposed to double tap direction... but it would be faster to have double tap button for SRK or QCF motions as well.
SFV already has many buttons that are reserved for double tapping. You have LP + LK for throw, MP + MK for V-Skills and HP + HP for V-Trigger. You of course can't have LP + HP because of EX moves. That just leaves weird stuff like LP + MK which just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Like if you are having trouble with forward, forward then you would probably have trouble with doing stuff like super jump dash motions as well. Why not have double buttons for super jump as well? Or have double button input for double jumps as well?
This is how I feel.
With their campaign to reduce complexity across the board as well, I'm not sure if it's worth it to muddy up inputs like two punches/two kicks for the sake of another dash input.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Aside from it being weird it's also incredibly awkward to do on a pad(depending on your layout I guess).
If you have been following the posts then you should know that the discussion is almost exclusively about stick, not pad.
Pad players don't even have enough space on the controller to map all these macros on. Like you have 6 buttons taken up attacks.. then you need one for V-Skill and Throws which still leaves stuff like V-Trigger or Triple button inputs for Reversals unmapped.
And doing double tap dashes on pad is even easier on a stick.
Karsticles
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They both feel kind of weird to me. I am adjusting. At least 1 month of play before I give final judgment. The only thing I am certain I would dislike Kuro buttons for is pianoing, but they seem fine otherwise. My Zato was as crisp (read: burnt) as ever with them.
I encourage people on the fence to give them an extensive trial.
Not many have agreed, but as Biz said, he has trouble double tapping due to a physical disability. In my opinion, you don't need a lot of people to suffer something to introduce a remedy for it. Why would I stop asking about something I want just because others are disinterested? That would be a stupid way to live.
If ComboFiend heard the request and said "no", I would drop it. It doesn't seem like too much to simply want the request HEARD. That's all I was hoping for from Anne. Believe me, I would rather be able to stop bringing it up, but my mind won't let it go until at least that much has happened.
Down up is easier than down down.
I don't see why pad warriors can't voice their own concerns about this.
Pads have plenty of room for macros. Touchpad swipes, L3/R3, etc.
Those buttons aren't in easy to access places. Especially R3.
It's not something you can give your concerns to Capcom about this, it's the way the controllers are designed. You want your fingers/thumbs to be near all the relevant buttons. Having to move your thumb from the D-pad to the L3 or Face buttons to R3 is not all that great... it's bad enough doing it on a game like DMC, it's worse with fighters.
It only works with stuff like Combo breakers (Killer Instinct) on Right stick mostly because that only comes into play when you are in combos which is a different state entirely from regular combat.
notworksafe
Member
Fuck all this. Time to go back to the old days and just remove dashes. Then we don't have to figure out what to map it to.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
put a run button down and to the left of the other buttons
So what's your solution to charge characters with 2 button dashes?
Holy Order Sol
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RIP
Parallax Scroll
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Hi Capcom
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Please make marvel 4
Parallax Scroll
Banned
Who, Haunts? He posts here, or at least he used to.
notworksafe
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No of course it isn't
Nice interview.
I think this is one of the bigger issues with SFxT. Lights were too strong and capable leading into heavy scaled long combos, especially with the magic series into character tag in. I wish they would give SFxT another chance with some kind of GOTY edition and make it more like SFV, including improved UI for tournaments.
Lost Fragment
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Haunts is an OG GAFer, so yeah.
ShinMaruku
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If Capcom is reading this, NEVER bring back Megaman.
Lord Haunts is watching over all of us, for better or for worse.
#bonkhaunts
I don't think the issue was with lights leading to big damage (hell, SF4 has the same problem), I think it was more that it felt like the never could decide if they wanted a chain-based combo system or a link-based one and the whole thing felt half-baked, especially with most Tekken characters having a number of target combos, to the point where they could ignore the boost chains completely if they wanted to.
I also thought their answer regarding proximity guard was kind of wack, basically saying that it is the way it is because that's how Street Fighter has been, not because it's good for the game.
MiniBossBattle
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