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[Rumor] Same-sex relationships removed from Fire Emblem: Fates in Italy
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Sure, because having the option to be gay equals sexualization of a character.
The fuck man? You can't be serious.
SpecialAgentZ
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And you guys only quoting me for having a opinion on the matter are missing the point completely.
They only do this kind of censorship because people out there support censorship when it's convenient. People should never support censorship.
Localization changes never violate first amendment rights. To think it does implies idiocy and a complete lack of understanding of what rights are. People wouldn't complain about killing gay marraige here because of "censorship" but because they'd be killing what little gay rep there is.
johancruijff
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just use a box to cover them
This is likely to be censorship because there stands a very real possibility that it's government mandated if it winds up being true.
I mean, does it matter? If the country doesn't have legal same-sex marriage, does that mean all media have to portray that scenario? If nothing changes, how can the country be expected to think forward? It's a fantasy game, not a realistic, set in Europe game.
you ever met a black person before? OR like anyone of a different race that isn't yours
Sammy Samusu
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Fire Emblem is rapidly becoming a dating sim.
Remember when it was a drama free SRPG?
Remember when it was a drama free SRPG?
Snkfanatic
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I don't think you know what this word means.
is it shocking to some people that you can care about certain things being cut and not care about other things being cut?
Deserted Maniac Island
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... This is not about freedom of speech, this is about corporate changes to their consumer product. Accept that video games are products products that may or may not include artistic elements.
True, but people in Italy talk a lot, and something like this would have probably come out earlier. It just seems so strange that it borders the grotesque to me.
That said, I shot a mail to my contact at Nintendo Italy, she's from the same office that allegedly sent that mail, so they're directly called on it. If she responds with anything factual, I'll let you guys know.
maquiladora
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Because creepy petting and drugging is the same thing as a basic civil right as same-sex relationships?
Are you serious?
Scientist Supreme!
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Amazing the people who call that petting mini game, molesting seem to never actually seen said mini game.
Probably only reading the thread title.
Shuggananas
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It's called hyperbole
If this ends being true I hope those happy with the petting being removed understand what can happen when you begin to remove things that might offend you and why some if us are against all types of censorship.
Hint: If something offends you, don't buy it, but everyone else doesn't need your superiority complex.
Hint: If something offends you, don't buy it, but everyone else doesn't need your superiority complex.
Theanine3D
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This is really bizarre, given that the Japanese release includes same sex marriage, right? It isn't legal in that country either. So why is this being done for the Italian localization? Makes no sense. If Japan has the feature, Italy should too.
Stone Ocean
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All censorship is bad. Don't add content you're gonna regret adding later.Now THIS is a problem.
Fan service and civil rights are not the same thing. Blushing anime girls (and guys) whose faces you can rub have not been historically oppressed and denied representation. They have not been told they don't exist, persecuted for how they were born, and denied the same space to find partners as everyone else.
Including same sex relationships is passive activism and valuable because it acknowledges a humanitarian conversation being had all over the world. Including same sex relationships sends a message of normalcy and encourages acknowledgment of different sexual orientations.
Including alienating fan service is, simply, not any of these things.
Not all content is created equal. A creator or company deciding to remove certain content has more weight when it reinforces a historically problematic dialog about the validity of human sexuality.
As much as I don't want to get in to the censorship debate yet again, this is exactly why having language that differentiates "a company blatantly editing content to avoid backlash" from "a company bending to political clout" is important.
I think they're both censorship, and both bad, but I also don't think they're equivalent, not in a moral sense.
I think they're both censorship, and both bad, but I also don't think they're equivalent, not in a moral sense.
Saying oppression doesn't exist isn't an opinion, it's just flat out wrong.
SpecialAgentZ
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Yes, I live in Brazil and there are a lot of black guys here.
In fact, I'm standing in front of one right now at work. He's my co-worker.
This likely isn't limited to just the Italian version.
Except it stands the very real possibility of being mandated by a government to see release in a region.
That is censorship and goes against freedom of speech. It's not localized changes, it's a hand being forced by a government agency. The difference is staggering.
Which is precisely why it stands the very real possibility of being mandated by government agencies. They have to report to several governments and if a single one says, "Representation of gay relationships is against the law," they have to cave to that pressure due to EU games being all-encompassing.
theSlacker
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I've said this before in other threads, but because of how insignificant the other changes are I find them a good "hill to fight on" (not die since the insignificant nature of it means I'm not completely invested). I however do believe in the slippery slope nature of it that you do not.
Edit: Once again someone else made the point better then me while I was writing this, and I could have just quoted that Neil Gaiman quote.
NinjaCoachZ
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I know, my point is that's the reason why they made the decision, but I don't agree with cutting it at all. Esp since even in Japan same-sex marriage isn't legal but they have it anyway. This is just cowardice from NoE that contributes to a very real, very on-going real world problem.
"I'm not black but I'm standing in front of a black guy so this is proof that oppression doesn't exist"
Homophobia is not freedom of speech
Regulus Tera
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I did acknowledge that comparing first amendment rights to self-censorship was not quite the same thing. What I'm trying to voice is that the moment one decides one morality boundary is ok but not another then it's easy for it to slide to a level that will suddenly bugger a lot more people than before.
Nikodemos
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you don't think considering the history that brazil has, that the people who grew up there wouldn't know what oppression is?
tiebreaker
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Welp. Not gonna be supporting this shit if it's true.
There's a good point that should be quoted and why I find this one hard to believe.
YianGaruga
Banned
Of course the situation isn't identical to the petting minigame, but this is EXACTLY the reason why people shouldn't celebrate a company making cuts to appease certain markets. Because it IS a slippery slope and this is what happens.
BRocknRolla
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I do agree. If someone wanted to build a straw-man argument to defend the other stuff that's been cut, a rumor like this sure would be convenient.
Who knows though? The world can be a messed up place.
Harothewanderer
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Funnily enough, today in our lecture in university we had someone from the localizing department of Nintendo of Europe as a guest lecturer(he talked about localizing Tomodachi Life). Should have asked him about this.
That's a logical fallacy for a reason
Bots are better than you
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So, before you guys start waging war against each other again ... i've got an idea:
We do have italian Gaffers, could one of you please contact Nintendo directly and just blatantly ask about this?
Remember, those people are the "loudest" sometimes...
We do have italian Gaffers, could one of you please contact Nintendo directly and just blatantly ask about this?
Sad thing is, some ignorant parents/persons publicy complaining in the media about "gay propaganda" (or whatever they would call this idiocy) is just as bad when it comes to PR.
Remember, those people are the "loudest" sometimes...
WrenchNinja
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Lot of people in here in a rush to call out imaginary hypocrisy.
No, but this is a superficial take on the issue. This is the problem I had from the start, even though I hate the concept of face petting. The fundamental problem is outright removal of content. If one case of "localization erasure" is supported and even defended, this incentivizes the same for other cases. And those cases might be ones you personally care about.
Someone already has. They are currently waiting for a response.
Lights and Waves
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Please explain to me how same-sex relationships and drugging women/objectifying their bodies are even remotely the same thing.
Rin Tohsaka
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It's just localization guys
It mentions Multi5 so that would be a change for Europe in general. Now we are in issue territory. Taking out homosexual relations oooooh boy. That will be a shit storm.
Exactly.
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