John Kowalski
Banned
Wait i don't understand this, did they remove relationships or marriage? Or are they the same thing in the game?
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[Rumor] Same-sex relationships removed from Fire Emblem: Fates in Italy
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PumpkinSpice
Banned
Looks fake.
Lights and Waves
Member
I hope this is sarcasm, because if it's not, I'm just going to be really disappointed that people that think like this are allowed to post on this forum.
What happened?
I wonder what it's like to be a developer/writer of these games, knowing that everything you're doing is subject to removal or censorship outside of your own small country.
The face groping minigame was legitimately odd, but this is really starting to seem like a slippery slope, where every country is getting a special sanitized version of the original.
The face groping minigame was legitimately odd, but this is really starting to seem like a slippery slope, where every country is getting a special sanitized version of the original.
Two characters who are in a relationship were made into friends I believe.
kitchenmotors
Banned
The thing is though, Nintendo is generally pretty progressive in terms of homosexual characters and situations. As a gay male and a Nintendo fan, I've been proud of some of the things included and how they do respond to criticism in terms of these issues, so this Italy thing is just a rumor at this point but still confusing.
And fuck the fan service bs, tired of hearing the complaining about that. This is a different thing.
M0nochromatic
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At first, a gay conversion drugging scene, then a mode where people are "rubbed", and now gay relationships/marriage?
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things is not like the others.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You were doing so good Nintendo, why?
relationships have different ranks from C to A it's friendship at S they get married, the mail specifically says the S rank has been removed.
SpecialAgentZ
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There's no such thing as oppression. People see "oppression" even when they look in the mirror nowadays. Im not into this thing, sorry.
And yes, I'm comparing because it is the same thing. And I'm against BOTH censorships.
No sarcasm. I'm just highlighting so people can see what they get if they support any kind of censorship. One day they take out something YOU don't like, then they take something that you care a lot for.
How is it convenient? It's just adding more fuel to the fire.
Shuggananas
Banned
Of course people would put this on the same level as virtual waifu molesting lmao
Also this isn't confirmed for shit.
Also this isn't confirmed for shit.
Chû Totoro
Member
Nintendo shouldn't be afraid of bad press regarding this. The people who are going to complain about this are people who have very few chance to hear about the game and they are even less people who could be interested in these types of games or video games in general.
They should keep the creators free to do what they want since it's not insulting in all their games.
If they don't do this then artists won't be able to create anything except what we see in all AAA games :/
Also I think the same for games with waifus (the main concern for me regarding games like these is that they can't be under-age because it's illegal here)
They should keep the creators free to do what they want since it's not insulting in all their games.
If they don't do this then artists won't be able to create anything except what we see in all AAA games :/
Also I think the same for games with waifus (the main concern for me regarding games like these is that they can't be under-age because it's illegal here)
GasProblem
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Protecting the younger audiences huh.
Fuck off if true.
Fuck off if true.
I read that as the S Rank sections of same sex relationships are being removed, so curtailing the storyline and not outright removing the relationship. Not that I'm that concerned, Awakening was enough Fire Emblem for me for some time thank you.
Bring back Advance Wars! But not a grimdark version!
captainpat
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Ugh. As much as I hate the removal of the petting this is ten times worse.
NinjaCoachZ
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The other stuff is coming from NoA, this is coming from NoE. Regrettably the environment regarding same-sex relationships is pretty different between the two (since gay marriage is legal in the US and Canada, but there are some EU countries where it isn't).
It was kinda suspicious how NoE's been relatively silent on the game. :/ I'm honestly seriously disappointed in them if this is true. So much for the whole "NoE is better than NoA!" narrative. What a bunch of chickens.
Unbelievable. I'm just... wow. Unbelievable.
There's no point in entertaining this conversation. At a fucking loss for words right now.
FireBeaver
Banned
Alright, I'll admit I defended the head patting and dialogue change in the past since I thought they made sense in localization.
But this? This is clearly too far.
But this? This is clearly too far.
Except S rank is the only one to include romance.
There was no molestation. There was also no 'boobs' removed as the other poster implied.
IlSignorCornetto
Member
Welcome to Italy, when the church influence is still strong as ever.
Fuck this country. Do you think it is normal that we cannot have homosexual content in our media ?
Fuck this country. Do you think it is normal that we cannot have homosexual content in our media ?
You're disgusting.
kitchenmotors
Banned
Seriously, you have to be a joke poster and this has to be some lame attempt at a troll.
BRocknRolla
Member
Now THIS is a problem.
Fan service and civil rights are not the same thing. Blushing anime girls (and guys) whose faces you can rub have not been historically oppressed and denied representation. They have not been told they don't exist, persecuted for how they were born, and denied the same space to find partners as everyone else.
Including same sex relationships is passive activism and valuable because it acknowledges a humanitarian conversation being had all over the world. Including same sex relationships sends a message of normalcy and encourages acknowledgment of different sexual orientation.
Including alienating fan service is, simply, not any of these things.
Not all content is created equal. A creator or company deciding to remove certain content has more weight when it reinforces a historically problematic dialog about the validity of human sexuality.
I understand the basics of how people could conflate the two as they're both cutting content to make the game more "palatable" to some segment of society, but this is a perfect illustration of the, "Is this the hill you want to die on?" question.
I'd go to the wall defending an oppressed social group. Not so much for a "touch this anime person" mini-game. Perhaps some would suggest that still creates for a slippery slope, but I feel pretty confident that I can separate the significance of these two topics.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Neil Gaiman: Why defend freedom of icky speech?
The article as a whole is about government intervention on freedom of speech, but I think the main takeaway is applicable in this scenario as well:
Dark Ninja
Member
Be great if the Italy version kept the rubbing mini game and drugging conversation.
John Kowalski
Banned
Oh, so removing marriage would remove them being together (as in, doing the deed, ya know, s e x) altogether?
That sucks.
Gay marriage is legal in so much of Europe, and the majority allow some kind of legal union. This would be a weird thing to do.
This is a shitty comment that misses the entire point of the censorship argument in regards to Fire Emblem.
But you know, anime gonna anime
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This is shitty all around. What little there is of the mm/ff relationships in fates being removed shouldn't surprise me considering it's Italy, but it's still shitty all around.
Nintendo are localizing the shit out of this game. People should be happy, right? Anything that can be potentially offensive to some must go. It's the only way to be sure.
It's convenient when it's only things you don't like, even if others do. But if something like this turns out to be true, I hope some people will open their eyes a bit.
It's convenient when it's only things you don't like, even if others do. But if something like this turns out to be true, I hope some people will open their eyes a bit.
balladofwindfishes
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It's just weird all together.
- "Think of the children!!" isn't really a reason a company would ever use, especially not for a game not intended for children anyway
- This would be a huge PR issue, internationally, so much so, likely more than Shibata would have to sign off on it
- "Our fans will understand" just sounds odd and not at all like something they'd say
- This is in a strange direction to go, given Nintendo's recent history and mission to incorporate more bi/gay relationships into their games.
- The leak hits too conveniently close to the news about the rubbing game
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Again with the "molesting."
YoYo Switch
Banned
Now THIS is a problem.
Fan service and civil rights are not the same thing. Blushing anime girls (and guys) whose faces you can rub have not been historically oppressed and denied representation. They have not been told they don't exist, persecuted for how they were born, and denied the same space to find partners as everyone else.
Including same sex relationships is passive activism and valuable because it acknowledges a humanitarian conversation being had all over the world. Including same sex relationships sends a message of normalcy and encourages acknowledgment of different sexual orientations.
Including alienating fan service is, simply, not any of these things.
Not all content is created equal. A creator or company deciding to remove certain content has more weight when it reinforces a historically problematic dialog about the validity of human sexuality.
on neogaf and every games blog under the sun, it is.
Posts like these are exactly why it is impossible to have any sort of rational discourse about this stuff.
Lights and Waves
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Chû Totoro;193453355 said:
What kind of bullshit post is this? I'm complaining, and I'm a Nintendo fan of 20+ years. I guarantee I've invested more money in that company than most people on this forum.
And this?
"They should keep the creators free to do what they want since it's not insulting in all their games."
The creators CREATED the same-sex relationships in this game. It was their intention to offer this option to create their game more inclusive. It's the localizers who have removed it.
Road of Ease
Member
EXTREMELY fishy. I agree.
Crazyorloco
Member
I think If same sex marriage were legal there the game wouldn't have this change.
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