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bee
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dejan said:Some new custom 5870/5970 cards from the CeBIT:
Asus Ares: HD 5970 done right - 2x5870 with 2 GiByte GDDR5 each and custom cooling solution
3 power leads required, looks like 2 x 8 pin and 1 x 6pin? if that was made by that other graphics company i dont think "done right" would be in any of the replies
fizzelopeguss
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Looks like it could put nasa supercomputers to shame.
Minsc
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bee said:3 power leads required, looks like 2 x 8 pin and 1 x 6pin? if that was made by that other graphics company i dont think "done right" would be in any of the replies
I read something this morning that the 480GTX would need a 600W PSU to operate a single card (42A on the 12V line), and at least 850W PSU for SLI.
So if this is rumored to run off a 650W PSU that isn't so bad. It does look a little stupid having 6 power lines to power two of these 5970s though.
bee
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Doytch said:
ya no shit! 3 power plugs is unprecedented though even in dual cpu boards, doesn't that make it a 450w board? not sure on the power specifications of pci-e but i thought it was 150w for 8pin (x2) 75w for 6 pin and 75w through the actual pci-e slot
Minsc said:
true, i read that earlier also, but BFG also states that a BFG gtx 280 oc needs 575w and 42A to power one of those so i wouldn't put too much faith in that report as graphics card manufacturers are notoriously bad when it comes to stating power requirements, 3 power leads speaks for itself though
This afternoon we received confirmation that XFX, a division of PINE Technologies, will not be releasing any GeForce GTX 400 series graphics cards to the market when the cards become public next month. XFX was not listed as a launch partner for Fermi and did not issue a press release about the upcoming cards, which might come as a shock to many of our readers as they are one of the largest NVIDIA add-in board (AIB) partners in the world! XFX said that the decision not to carry this series of GF100 graphics card was their decision and that they will still be carrying NVIDIA products. It looks like XFX thinks that the Radeon HD 5000 series of graphics card is the right card for the high-end market. From our conversation with XFX they mentioned that they have "yet to see whether the fermented launch will reach an inglorious anti-climax" and that "they want to "Ferm up to who really has the big Guns". It turns out they do have something special that they have been working on. It turns out that XFX and AMD have partnered together and have designed a limited edition run of Radeon HD 5970 graphics cards with not 2GB, but 4GB of on-board memory.
The XFX Radeon HD 5970 4GB Black Edition video card will be a limited edition card with an estimated hundreds of graphics cards being made. XFX expects to begin selling the cards in about a month for roughly $100 more than a standard Radeon HD 5970, which is $699 to $750 if you can find them. This would make the XFX Radeon HD 5970 4GB Black Edition to be around $799 to $850 based on our assumptions.
XFX told us that this card will have six mini-DisplayPort connectors, which makes it different than any other Radeon HD 5970 4GB design that will be coming out as it will support Eyefinity 6.
The XFX Radeon HD 5970 4GB Black Edition appears to be longer than the standard ATI Radeon HD 5970, which might be an issue for some consumers. The reference design is over a foot long as it measures in at 12.125" in length. With twice the frame buffer it looks like the XFX Radeon HD 5970 4GB is going to be even longer. XFX also stated that they will hand pick each of these cards and that overclockers are going to love them.
XFX also informed Legit Reviews that they have designed a special shipping crate that is the plastic gun that is seen in the image above. When you get one of these limited edition graphics cards it will come in the spiffy little carrying case that looks like an FNH P90 at first glance.
The last picture that XFX sent us of the Radeon HD 5970 4GB card is this one of the dual 8-pin PCIe power connectors, which was expected as this cards dual GPUs and 4GB of memory will need some juice, but as we saw in our GeForce GTX 480 review a dual-GPU Radeon HD 5970 uses less power than a single-GPU GeForce GTX 480 video card.
To confirm XFX's story we contacted several sources inside AMD and were told that this card goes by the code name Petunia and will not only be carried by XFX, but by other vendors as well. This makes sense as ASUS recently unveiled the ARES, which is basically the same thing with a different cooler back at CeBIT 2010 at the start of this month.
XFX unloaded a bomb this afternoon by announcing they were going to skip launching any GeForce GTX 470/480 graphics cards with the Fermi architecture and that they were going to be releasing a high-end Radeon HD 5970 that is unlike anything else on the market. It looks like things just got a little more interesting in the battle for high-end gaming graphics cards!
Source; http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1263/1/
brain_stew
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DieH@rd said:
That's two cards though.
Bear in mind this is for a highly specialised subset of consumer. XFX are only making these in the hundreds so they are well aware that 99% of the PC userbase will not need or want this card.DieH@rd said:
I just hope this kind of card doesn't bring back the old "PCs cost eleventy billion dollars OMGZ" type mentality.
IMACOMPUTA
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*barfs at the retarded p90 "carrying case"*
Diablohead
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pc = shooterbox confirmed!mr stroke said:
brain_stew
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Kaako said:
Well its a 2GB GPU really due to how AFR works. It was needed as well, the 1GB framebuffer is already proving a serious bottleneck to the 5970 as is the 300w power cap on current models. These are going to be cherry picked chips as well. Hello 1ghz!
Ignoring the noise in the article;
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/30/atis-next-generation-outed/
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/30/atis-next-generation-outed/
Technosteve
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they might as well market it as a penis enlarger, but yeah that's a fucking shock from XFX since i owned two nvidia xfx cards before my sapphire ati card. My guess is that the margins for the Fermis are low and the supplies are low. With XFX warranty i don't think they can afford to replace any cards that go bad in the field.... and they have a pretty awesome warranty.
brain_stew
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irfan said:
Seems like a smart enough strategy, it'd basically give AMD a clean run at the holiday sales again. Their shaders always seemed pretty efficiently designed to me so those changes could be just the boost they need to beat out Fermi across the board without increasing the transistor count or power envelope too much.
If TSMC keep fucking up like this I can't see ATI sticking around for long, surely the first GPUs manufactured at Global Foundries can't be too far off?
Richard Huddy basically said that in one of his recent interviews, that they'll have the top performing solution for basically most of this year.brain_stew said:
However the recent rumors cropping up (about ATI next gen) are all over the place. Supposedly same number of shaders but improved geometry performance, die is slightly larger than Cypress and overall performance is about 10-20% over GTX480. Then there is another rumor suggesting that this is a "RV840" initially scheduled as a lab rat (like the RV740 - Radeon 4770) for the 32nm but now moved to 40nm due to TSMC's fuck ups and that the top end refresh is 400mm2 in size and we'll see it later. Normally I'd put about 25% faith in rumors but for these, I'm not even doing that.
I'd wager that even Nvidia would move to GF if;brain_stew said:
1. TSMC fucks up more
2. TSMC doesnt offer some real sweet deals
brain_stew
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irfan said:
I'd be happy enough with that tbh, it'd make up for RV870s only real major shortfall. They've got their texturing performance sorted out now and their shader density and performance isn't an issue so it should be quite a potent and "balanced" chip. Clock it to 1ghz and slap on 2GB and you've got a chip that Nvidia can't hope to compete with, and yet it'll still cost ATI much less to make.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125322
gigabyte 5870 eyefinity edition 2gb now in stock
gigabyte 5870 eyefinity edition 2gb now in stock
dreamer3kx
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Wow these cards are way too much for me, my last card was a 3870 which was considered "best bang for buck" at the time, anything that I should wait for that's in this category from ATI or Nvidia?
Minsc
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dreamer3kx said:
Depends on what are the most demanding games you play. If you only play Valve/Blizzard stuff, with the occasional RPG, you can get away with a 5770 or less and be perfectly fine.
AstroLad said:
Only thing worth upgrading to from that would be a SLI GTX 480 or XFire 5870 (to a lesser extent a 5970), so nope! It's almost equivalent to a single GTX 480 (probably better with your OC, actually).
From Steam hardware survey:
Total number of Radeon HD 5000 series on Steam is 1.05M @ 175k per month.
Total number of Radeon HD 4000 series on Steam is 2.7M @ 128k per month.
Safe to say that its on track to be the most popular GPU.
Code:
Radeon HD 4800 2,142,500
Geforce 8800 2,002,500
Geforce 9800 1,567,500
Geforce GTX200 1,977,500
Radeon HD 5800 480,000
Radeon HD 5700 470,000Total number of Radeon HD 4000 series on Steam is 2.7M @ 128k per month.
Safe to say that its on track to be the most popular GPU.
sweetvar26
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Oh wow, those pictures of the gun case looks bad ass.
IMACOMPUTA
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I'm no gun genius, but I've played quite a few FPS's and that looks like a p90 to me.derFeef said:
Not to mention the article says it's a p90.
It looks like the 2GB version of the 5870 doesn't do a heck of a lot better in performance compared to the 1GB version as seen from anandtech's 5870 2GB 6 port review.
http://anandtech.com/show/3621/amds-radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition-reviewed
And 6 monitors seems a little crazy. As they mention in the last paragraph, a 720p projector with a screen or wall painted could be a better solution if you are a gamer.
http://anandtech.com/show/3621/amds-radeon-hd-5870-eyefinity-6-edition-reviewed
And 6 monitors seems a little crazy. As they mention in the last paragraph, a 720p projector with a screen or wall painted could be a better solution if you are a gamer.
So how likely do you guys think we'll see the 6xxx series of cards from ATI in the fall? I've been hearing rumors about possible delays until Q1 2011, or that it will just be a refresh of Evergreen. If this is the case, I'd like to just get a 5870 today instead of wait any longer.
Minsc said:
Here :
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-5870-eyefinity6,review-31850-11.html
Look at the final chart. The benefit with the extra ram on these cards is seen when cranking up the AA.
Minsc
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spazzfish said:
Thanks, I figured there was a bench or two which would show a difference. I wouldn't count 5760x1080 charts as a reason to go for 2GB for 99% of normal users. But if you're one of the few people sporting a 3 monitor setup you'd be crazy to stick with a 1GB card.
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