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FireCloud · Dec 20, 2011

In case there are those who haven't seen it. twentytwo22 did a battery test on his new Vita and posted the results in the Playstation Vita Japanese Launch Thread. He did his test playing UMvC3...

PlayStation Vita Japanese Launch Thread. "APOCALYPTIC!" says concerned Nuclear Muffin

twentytwo22 said:
Battery Test:

3G/Wifi Model
Mobile Data (3G) ON (but is probably over-riden by...
Wifi ON (connected to home network) -- this means I was getting notifications/etc the whole time, all on
Bluetooth OFF
Brightness MAX (note: Brightness in OS MAX, caps in-game at about 80% [battery saving measure -- even 80% brightness is really bright...])
Near Auto-Updating ON
Headphones, volume at 50%

Time was spent: Play UMvC3 from Game Card (including about 30 minutes of Online play)
Occasionally flipping to Web Browser for quick look-ups, as well as Trophies app to check trophies (game kept running in the background, obviously)

Full to Death: 4:29
Warning notice came on at 4:11

Also, dofry did another test while playing video...

dofry said:
Movie Battery Test:

Wifi Model Vita
Wifi OFF/ON (connected to home network) -- 4 hours OFF when at work, but at home it was ON.
Bluetooth ON
Brightness MAX
Near Auto-Updating: I didn't even check because I use WiFi model of Vita.
Headphones, volume at 100%

Time was spent: Played a constant loop of Man from Nowhere. (Ripped the movie and compressed it to 320x240. Found out better software too late. Bitrate was 828kbps if anyone is interested.)

Full to Death: 7:41

Thanks for the template twentytwo22. Should give you some estimate even though not fully taxing for the system.

Busaiku · Dec 20, 2011

Does Monster Hunter 3G really drain that much battery?
I always get at least 3 hours with max brightness, max sound, max 3D, and WiFi on for every game.

Danneee · Dec 20, 2011

upJTboogie said:
I miss the days of high battery lives for handhelds, the 3DS though is especially terrible.

Handhelds and PHONES. I effin hate having to charge my Iphone every other day, my HTC was even worse and had to be charged at least once a day...

Wazzim · Dec 20, 2011

PunchyBoy said:
I don't even know how that guy only got 2:37 hours on his 3DS.
Mine stand for 4h on Dead or Alive, with 3D on, wifi on, brightness to the MAX and sound to the max.

LMAO, post video and we'll talk.

Arklite · Dec 20, 2011

rosjos44 said:
OK then I will change my stance.

Since 3D drains the system more and the 3DS has a smaller battery I say that getting over 2 and a half hours is very impressive when compared to the VITA which has a bigger battery, a power saving screen, and cost almost twice as much.

The power of framing

AndyMoogle · Dec 20, 2011

Why would you do that? said:
I can't speak for the Vita or for your eyes, but the 3DS at max brightness really hurts my eyes. I usually keep it on 2 or 3 (out of 5).

I keep it at 3, and I rarely use 3D, and I get around 5 hours. It's not great, but it's twice as much as in this test at least.

iamaustrian · Dec 20, 2011

I also want to state that not all smartphones are battery draining monsters.
I get 5 days out of my motorola defy in normal use and almost a week in "holiday"-mode(no internet and less phoning)

Risk Breaker · Dec 20, 2011

Lonely1 said:
Why stop there? I can carry a car battery on my backpack!

Seriously, I have used those kind of batteries and are far from ideal.

Hey, I know, and I don't plan on owning one, but for people who really want and usually play for more than 4 hours a day without been able to recharge it's a good deal.

7 hours and 41 minutes playing video at max brightness sounds really good. I think some people who enjoy watching series will love that. It also seems like Sony really optimized battery life for non-gaming applications, which is awesome.

I wonder how long can you use it at medium brightness with 3G + browser/twitter with sound and bluetooth turned off?

wsippel · Dec 20, 2011

Zoramon089 said:
Wait the Vita screen is capped at 80% britghtness?!

In games, yes. Power consumption on OLED displays also heavily depends on the brightness of the scene itself, so displaying mostly dark green and gray like in this test is pretty much a best case scenario for the system. Displaying pure white on the other hand consumes less power on an IPS screen (same brightness, of course).

Foffy · Dec 20, 2011

People are shocked by this? Battery technology hasn't advanced all that much since the DS/PSP.

Mr. B Natural · Dec 20, 2011

tzare said:
how is not fair comparing both systems with their most interesting features on? 3D for 3DS and a high profile game like Uncharted for Vita?

You can turn 3D off on 3DS, sure, and you won't be playing Uncharted forever, the are loads of games that will use less cpu power, on both systems. So what seems obvious that if you want to use both systems fully, 3D and 'PS3' looking games, Vita wins. Nintendo did not do their homework as good as sony this time.

And as a consumer and gamer, I don't care about WHY this and WHY that, I just want to know how long I can play a game at various settings, information I hope will eventually come my way.
I don't care about how the 3d does this for battery life and the resolution does that...how long can I play each system? I don't need excuses. Ok, Vita lasts longer but both are abysmal (and I expect will get worse as my system ages). Thank you. I am informed.

And the excuses are the worst kind - The kind that the producers of the products were well aware of. If 3d halves battery life, I'm sure Nintendo is aware. If the Vita's power is a power hog, then Sony is well aware of that as well. Both of these companies could have confronted the issue with a better battery rather than asking their customers to change settings and, worse, turn off functionality.

Zoramon089 · Dec 20, 2011

HOLD ON HOLD ON

How come no one is addressing that by default the Vita has a power saving measure, capping brightness in game at 80% while the video had the 3DS brightness at MAX and didn't mention using the power saving feature (which is off by default)?!

Majine · Dec 20, 2011

Wait, didn't the original PSP also have around that range in batterylife? Seems they improved on it alot (I assume that is a PSP-3000).

Durante · Dec 20, 2011

What I dislike with this kind of "max brightness" tests (also when performed for eg. tablets or laptops) is that they are inherently disadvantageous to the device with the brighter screen. Ideally, you should measure with as close to equal light output as possible.

Also, the Uncharted scene was pretty dark, which is a factor for OLED. Still, it's performing pretty well, and the battery life reports in the launch thread have also been largely positive.

rosjos44 said:
You think? isnt the 3DS working twice as hard with 3D on?

It's working twice as hard as 1/10th as hard as Vita (considering the rough amount of processing expended to run the games).

Mr. B Natural said:
And the excuses are the worst kind - The kind that the producers of the products were well aware of. If 3d halves battery life, I'm sure Nintendo is aware. If the Vita's power is a power hog, then Sony is well aware of that as well. Both of these companies could have confronted the issue with a better battery rather than asking their customers to change settings and, worse, turn off functionality.

The Vita is not a power hog. By all accounts, it is just about as efficient at doing what it does as it can get at this point in time.

Shadow of the BEAST · Dec 20, 2011

vita has cutting edge graphics, cutting edge screen with much higher resolution.

3ds is underpowered with two really low res screens, all in all its is more comparable to psp than vita.

yet it cant keep up with the psp and even the vita completely outperforms it.

I did not even know it was this bad. 2,5 hours is absolutely pathetic.

EloquentM · Dec 20, 2011

With 3D on isn't the 3Ds technically powering 3 screens at a time?

Divvy · Dec 20, 2011

Zoramon089 said:
HOLD ON HOLD ON

How come no one is addressing that by default the Vita has a power saving measure, capping brightness in game at 80% while the video had the 3DS brightness at MAX and didn't mention using the power saving feature (which is off by default)?!

Because this is not a thread about facts or logic or anything.

Busaiku · Dec 20, 2011

Zoramon089 said:
HOLD ON HOLD ON

How come no one is addressing that by default the Vita has a power saving measure, capping brightness in game at 80% while the video had the 3DS brightness at MAX and didn't mention using the power saving feature (which is off by default)?!

I forgot 3DS even had that feature.

Lonely1 · Dec 20, 2011

Majine said:
Wait, didn't the original PSP also have around that range in batterylife? Seems they improved on it alot (I assume that is a PSP-3000).

The PSP result? Oh, the joys of extended batteries.

Phoenician_Viking · Dec 20, 2011

rosjos44 said:
What you are stating does not even make sense. Its not a fair comparison because the PS VITA does not do 3D. That's like me saying lets have a test between a 720P tv vs 1080p and saying that's fair. Seriously.

A better test would be no 3D at all for a fair comparison.

With a battery test with all features on all the systems turned up to full is still a good test but its not an accurate representation between the VITA and 3DS. Full Wifi, Full sound, and full Brightness would be a comparable test to see who wins in battery life with those SAME exact features.

Yeah, you want to take the selling point of the 3DS from the test? What kind of spin is this? What a joke.

FireCloud · Dec 20, 2011

Zoramon089 said:
HOLD ON HOLD ON

How come no one is addressing that by default the Vita has a power saving measure, capping brightness in game at 80% while the video had the 3DS brightness at MAX and didn't mention using the power saving feature (which is off by default)?!

It's all relative isn't it? If 80% is what the brightness is capped at in games on the Vita. Then that is the MAX setting.

Radec · Dec 20, 2011

:lol at these unfair testing conditions posts.

Jinfash · Dec 20, 2011

I'm personally more interested in best case scenarios, ie: what I'll usually use during travel.

I rarely crank all settings to max unless the device is plugged in, or the socket is nearby.

However, I still think people should give Sony credit for delivering on their "Comparable to PSP" battery promise. It's actually better than the PSP in some situations.

ASIS · Dec 20, 2011

Are people still debating which one has a better battery life? Really? They are both shit. Smh, how did we get from 15 Hours to 3 is beyond me.

Why isn't battery tech improving?

plagiarize · Dec 20, 2011

Shadow of the BEAST said:
vita has cutting edge graphics, cutting edge screen with much higher resolution.

3ds is underpowered with two really low res screens, all in all its is more comparable to psp than vita.

yet it cant keep up with the psp and even the vita completely outperforms it.

I did not even know it was this bad. 2,5 hours is absolutely pathetic.

like i said. this comparison is only useful to fanboys.

Jocchan · Dec 20, 2011

The Abominable Snowman said:
3D on/off is mostly relieving stress on the processor, and not sending a SMALL amount of extra power to the parallax barrier. It would be more akin to underclocking the Vita than any other suggestion

Actually, this is incorrect.
The parallax barrier blocks light, when 3D is enabled (the slider is not in the off position) the screen brightness is increased to compensate (it's also pretty noticeable), which has a sizable effect on battery life.

Gravijah · Dec 20, 2011

Jinfash said:
I'm personally more interested in best case scenarios, ie: what I'll usually use during travel.

i wanna see how the vita does during just the os, on standby, etc. where are the tests?

Rocket Scientist · Dec 20, 2011

Wow.... I've been very, very happy with the DS Lite battery so far. 3DS dissapoints in a major way. I guess most people play it at home the vast majority of the time anyway though.

rosjos44 · Dec 20, 2011

Phoenician_Viking said:
Yeah, you want to take the selling point of the 3DS from the test? What kind of spin is this? What a joke.

Put 3D on the VITA and I bet it would not even last more than an hour and a half. Take away? No I'm talking about using the same features each system has for a stand off in battery life. Why is the PSVITA getting 80% brightness / power mode on when the 3DS isn't and has a brighter screen? You think that is fair?

Arklite · Dec 20, 2011

So what are the average gains with the 3D effect off on the 3DS?

PdotMichael · Dec 20, 2011

a fair test:

no 3d, minimum brightness, no wifi, no bluetooth, no sound

and Formula 1 as test game

cgcg · Dec 20, 2011

dc89 said:
I wonder what it would be with 3D off on the 3DS. I know that's what the console is all about but comparing the two using two different display features is a bit dumb in my eyes.

Might as well have Vita sit at the OS screen. It's probably using similar amount of processing power as the 3DS with a game at that point.

Lonely1 · Dec 20, 2011

FireCloud said:
It's all relative isn't it? If 80% is what the brightness is capped at in games on the Vita. Then that is the MAX setting.

Just like Durante said, in this kind of tests the device with the brightest screen is at an unfair disadvantage.

Lets say that Nintendo releases tomorrow a firmware that locks the screen at level 1 brightness. We can now say that the 3DS battery is much improved because now lasts longer is on max settings?

Zoramon089 · Dec 20, 2011

FireCloud said:
It's all relative isn't it? If 80% is what the brightness is capped at in games on the Vita. Then that is the MAX setting.

No...that's dumb...that's a POWER SAVING FEATURE so by not using the 3DS' POWER SAVING FEATURE it's not a fair comparison...

patsu · Dec 20, 2011

Meisadragon said:
Nyko will show some accessories for the Vita at CES, and I'm sure they'll design something better. But considering the Vita's current size, I don't how they can make something that will provide a comfortable end user experience.

Well, they can also design a carrying case with pluggable battery, like my iPhone one. There should be lot's of possibilities.

The Abominable Snowman · Dec 20, 2011

Jocchan said:
Actually, this is incorrect.
The parallax barrier blocks light, when 3D is enabled (the slider is not in the off position) the screen brightness is increased to compensate (it's also pretty noticeable), which has a sizable effect on battery life.

Past the max brightness with 3D off? I never noticed. Thanks.

Either way, I don't think it will allow for a 33% increase in life. Do you

Number45 · Dec 20, 2011

plagiarize said:
like i said. this comparison is only useful to fanboys.

If you can detach yourself from the comparison part, it's still useful as the first real world information we have on Vita battery usage.

chickdigger802 · Dec 20, 2011

people that are looking to 'boost' up their 3ds... I'd still recommend nyko power grip over the power pak

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0057WWR0C/?tag=neogaf0e-20

more juice and you don't need to swap out the battery (so you get the battery of this + the 3ds battery life).

It's also easy to get on and off for all future 3ds 'peripherals'...

Corto · Dec 20, 2011

patsu said:
Nice but could be better ! Should be able to clip to the Vita (left and right sides, or bottom is probably best)

Honestly, I'm not sure that pic is a final design of the battery. But the back touch pad is indeed very limiting for an external solution. I agree that the bottom of the Vita would be preferable.

Busaiku · Dec 20, 2011

The Abominable Snowman said:
Past the max brightness with 3D off? I never noticed. Thanks.

Either way, I don't think it will allow for a 33% increase in life. Do you

I usually get 30-45 minutes more with 3D off (max everything else and WiFi on).

iceatcs · Dec 20, 2011

PdotMichael said:
a fair test:

no 3d, minimum brightness, no wifi, no bluetooth, no sound

and Formula 1 as test game

Vs Vita

maximum brightness, wifi & 3G on, bluetooth on, maximum sound.

That would be a very very fair test

BreakyBoy · Dec 20, 2011

Arklite said:
So what are the average gains with the 3D effect off on the 3DS?

Depends on the game. I got about 4.5 hours one afternoon in Mario Kart 7.

Either way, dumb argument. They're both crap.

CouchMaster · Dec 20, 2011

iamaustrian said:
I'm dealing with the idea getting this.
How much thicker does it make the 3DS?
it comes with it's own cradle, right? can you use the normal AC adapter to charge?

Makes it about 30% more thicker, but because its tapering you won't notice it much, kinda like the old iPad. The texture is rubbery with groves for your fingers, much better than default crampy/slippery grip of 3DS. You can charge it using 3DS adapter directly.

plagiarize · Dec 20, 2011

of course the 3DS should be tested with 3D on. i believe most people play it that way, so if we're doing realistic use scenarios, it should be on. brightness and volume should be set at equal perceived levels.

if one system lets you crank it louder or brighter, putting them both on full is going to horribly skew things. this could be seriously hindering the battery life of either system in this comparison.

OLED screens use less power in darker scenes than brighter scenes too, so you should pick a game of average brightness.

BeEatNU · Dec 20, 2011

Jacobi said:
Compared to the Ipad or the iPhone both are very bad. I don't get why hardware companies don't give that much of a shit when it comes to battery runtime....

yet the batteries on a ipad is much larger and the iphone is much more efficient.
Apple bought out this company sometime ago that was SUPER PROS @ batteries, hence why they have good life time on their products

Zoramon089 said:
HOLD ON HOLD ON

How come no one is addressing that by default the Vita has a power saving measure, capping brightness in game at 80% while the video had the 3DS brightness at MAX and didn't mention using the power saving feature (which is off by default)?!

lol STOP THE PRESS!

LiquidMetal14 · Dec 20, 2011

What about tests while in the mile high club and bumpin some music while you and the airline assistants are in the cabin knockin boots?

Jinfash · Dec 20, 2011

Gravijah said:
i wanna see how the vita does during just the os, on standby, etc. where are the tests?

I'm interested in those as well, especially for my standby-interrupted-by-light-social-interactions sessions.

DangerousDave · Dec 20, 2011

rosjos44 said:
Put 3D on the VITA and I bet it would not even last more than an hour and a half.

Put Vita processor on 3DS and I bet it would not even last more than half an hour...

You cannot make science fiction about features that the consoles don't have.

Zoramon089 · Dec 20, 2011

So people are going to ignore Vita w/ power saver vs 3DS w/o power saver. Okay...

iceatcs · Dec 20, 2011

Zoramon089 said:
So people are going to ignore Vita w/ power saver vs 3DS w/o power saver. Okay...

Won't be too much different because all the test systems are running on the game all the time, and power saver highly likely not been used yet.

But yeah it should have switch on

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