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Tim Rogers: "they've (Nintendo) set us (gaming) back a generation WAAAAAAH"
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Jive Turkey
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I wish you'd use caps again...That was one of the more distinguishing features between a Drinky and MAF post. As it is I can't tell if you're the real Drinky or MAF in disguise.Drinky Crow said:
Drinky Crow
Banned
i capitalize correctly at other forums. if gaf wants proper capitalization and punctuation from me, it will have to earn it
robertsan21
Member
it seems he forgot the most important thing about videogames, FUN!
doenst matter if its not in HD fun is till fun.
Tim rogers shame on you count suckula
doenst matter if its not in HD fun is till fun.
Tim rogers shame on you count suckula
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
:lol
robertsan wins again. now post some pictures of your boat trip to make us all feel like suckers
robertsan wins again. now post some pictures of your boat trip to make us all feel like suckers
JoshuaJSlone
Member
That would be much more than two of the PS2 releases, and just shy of the third.PhoenixDark said:
Well I suppose they could've released a peripheral set for GameCube that would allow for the wiimote/sensor bar/blue light/internal storage/SD cards/wifi/USB ports/RAM (though I think it would be slower to access?), but it'd lose the opportunity to have a fresh start with a new look and name, not be able to use full-size DVDs, have no CPU/GPU upgrade, not be able to use the Wii Menu without a disc to boot it, and turn out like every other system add-on.nib95 said:
I haven't heard that one before.robertsan21 said:
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Drinky Crow said:
I thought you liked Puzzle Quest?
Because that's a mobile phone / casual / blue ocean gamer game, if ever I saw one.
It also doesn't particularly benefit from HDR lighting / HD resolutions / realistic physics routines.
If 'casuals' are responsible for removing some of the tedious grinds in various genres that gamers have trained themselves over the years to accept via pavlonian response to developer padding then thank fuck they're showing up without predefined expectations and saying they don't want to put up with shitty gameplay decisions that get implemented just because that's how those genres have always played.
Bioshock could easily have had shitty behind the scenes d&d success rolls for hacking, but obviously went for a a Pipemania minigame instead precisely because of it's attempt to appeal to a 'more casual' audience.
Amir0x said:
Portal is a tech demo. It's also GOTY for many people, because the underlying gameplay mechanic is so damn good. I can't wait to see it pop up in a 'real' FPS.
Wow, big Wii hate thread as usual. Anyway, I enjoy the Wii because I see it as a true evolution in gaming. Bigger worlds, more enemies or better graphics are just ways to hide the developers lack of creativity. I even think that traditional pads can't really sustain new ideas anymore, they have all been done. All a developer can do these days is create a different environment with different characters and make it seem like its new. Thats why we are seeing so many new IP these days. Not that I don't enjoy a good story every now and then, but thats not what a videogame should only be about.
Drinky: face it, many old gamers think next gen is just more of the same. I do have a been there, done that feeling when I play x360 games. Wii is trying to bring something new and fresh, and though the proof of concepts are still not quite there, there's a lot of faith to be had when you don't irrationally hate Nintendo. Metroïd, Mario Galaxy and PES are promising signs of wind of change in terms of controls.Drinky Crow said:
New next gen consoles will provide the best of both world, until then there are two value propositions, both responding to a demand, and both as respectful.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
marc^o^ said:
Funny. I get the same sensation when I look at Wii games.
Sorry for responding to such an old post -- thread grew fast.
Well, in Rogers' defense (and no, I'm generally not a fan of the guy either), he does concede that point. He also admits, to an extent, that his conclusion that a Wii MH3 will be a downgrade overall is speculation at this point. But his arguments for that speculation aren't wholly uncompelling: the game was intended for PS3, and the change was made in order to lower its budget. That doesn't instill much faith that it'll be one of those rare titles that makes brilliant use of the WiiMote -- and for the shift to benefit MH3-fans, it would have to make such brilliant use of the WiiMote that this compensates for the superior visuals and online infrastructure (the latter possibly more important than the former, even) that the PS3 version, in all likelyhood, would have had.
But yeah, as a business decision, of course it makes perfect sense -- which is why Capcom can't be faulted for it. And I don't think Rogers is faulting them for it, to be honest, he's merely bemoaning the state of affairs (which, as has been pointed out, is a much Sony's own fault as anyone else's). Laugh at his bitter tears if you must, I can kinda see his point.
A Link to the Snitch said:
Well, in Rogers' defense (and no, I'm generally not a fan of the guy either), he does concede that point. He also admits, to an extent, that his conclusion that a Wii MH3 will be a downgrade overall is speculation at this point. But his arguments for that speculation aren't wholly uncompelling: the game was intended for PS3, and the change was made in order to lower its budget. That doesn't instill much faith that it'll be one of those rare titles that makes brilliant use of the WiiMote -- and for the shift to benefit MH3-fans, it would have to make such brilliant use of the WiiMote that this compensates for the superior visuals and online infrastructure (the latter possibly more important than the former, even) that the PS3 version, in all likelyhood, would have had.
But yeah, as a business decision, of course it makes perfect sense -- which is why Capcom can't be faulted for it. And I don't think Rogers is faulting them for it, to be honest, he's merely bemoaning the state of affairs (which, as has been pointed out, is a much Sony's own fault as anyone else's). Laugh at his bitter tears if you must, I can kinda see his point.
I've never sold a console i've bought before. Wii is the first. Sold it to my cousin for £100 with Wii Sport and Zelda.
You look at the release list, look at the direction Nintnedo and 3rd parties are headed, you simply relize the Wii is not going to provide the games you want.
No big deal, I think Japan is the only territory that the Wii has control over, fortunately in the west 360/PS3 dominate software which justifies 3rd parties to invest in high budget games, as the return on these games are huge.
And one reason why the west are slapping the shit out of the east this gen *runs*
You look at the release list, look at the direction Nintnedo and 3rd parties are headed, you simply relize the Wii is not going to provide the games you want.
No big deal, I think Japan is the only territory that the Wii has control over, fortunately in the west 360/PS3 dominate software which justifies 3rd parties to invest in high budget games, as the return on these games are huge.
And one reason why the west are slapping the shit out of the east this gen *runs*
Pureauthor
Member
Safe Bet said:
Then you mean you never post in a gaming thread?
Because that's what videogame consoles are, you know. Toys.
Well, I suppose there's Blu-Ray playback and all that, but that's really OT stuff.
The PS3 isn't 'dominating' software. Far from it.
Pureauthor
Member
Safe Bet said:
Video Games<Moby Dick.
Video games =/= art
Video games = toys
Farmboy said:
Before melting down, amirite?
How can a game be a downgrade of a version that probably never existed outside of the realm of ideas?
I think that if Capcom had never mentioned the PS3 version before people wouldn't be so bitter about it. The commotion and bitterness is about to surpass the DQIX drama, with MH3 being brought up in nearly every thread.
Pureauthor
Member
Sho Nuff said:
The majority of this thread (I've read the whole thing and consider myself worse off for having done so) has surprisingly little to do with what Tim Rogers wrote. Most of what discussion that does centre around Tim Rogers is mainly asking who he is, or commenting on his pretentiousness and propensity for verbose language in his writeups.
Pureauthor
Member
Safe Bet said:
Neither is the undeserved elevation of videogames - not that much has one to do with the other.
Protip: We're discussing the latter here.
Pureauthor
Member
Safe Bet said:
Might wanna fix your tags there.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Out of interest, Safe Bet: what games would you consider to be works of art comparable to great works of literature, film, sculpture or painting?
Pureauthor
Member
MrNyarlathotep said:
Also, if you say SotC, Ico or Bioshock, I reserve the right to laugh in your face with spittle.
McDragon said:Explain then how DR/LP were successful and Capcom didn't go bankrupt after these two projects?
NG2 gameplay trailer showed Ryu cutting soldiers hands and yet they were still fighting, now that's AI.
Do you know a game called Perfect Dark, on N64, published about 7 years ago? You shooted your ennemies legs, and yet they still fighting you, but while limping. Ho, and if they'd losed their rifle and they saw another on the ground, they took it. WOW NEXt GEN ONLY !
Safe Bet said:
And where in your simpleton argument does the Wii become a toy compared to the high and mighty PS3?
Is a $3 brush not capable of painting as fine a work as a $10 dollar brush?
The graphics hardware is not as important as the minds and talents of the designers working with them.
We are in the dawn of the artform so I would not dare to say we have any "masterpieces" like the other artforms but if an 80 year old women can weld three random pieces of metal together and call it art then videogames have been art for a long long time....MrNyarlathotep said:
If I had to compare videogames to painting, I'd say we are just now starting to paint on other things besides cave walls...
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Ah, I see.
You know nothing about art.
Carry on as you were.
You know nothing about art.
Carry on as you were.