Magicpaint
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sonycowboy said:
Never forget the power of Pokemon, though I can see the PSP taking the lead in at least NA. Europe seems to be taking kindly to the DS, it boggles me more than the success of the DS in Japan.
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Who is winning the handheld war in Europe, PSP or DS?
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Never forget the power of Pokemon, though I can see the PSP taking the lead in at least NA. Europe seems to be taking kindly to the DS, it boggles me more than the success of the DS in Japan.
Gaybrush Threepio
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Andokuky said:
DS is winning in all regions.
It is slightly ahead in UK and US.
It is substantially ahead in the rest of Europe.
It is almost double PSP's sales in Japan.
However DS Lite & Brain Training/Brain Age should drive sales of DS further ahead in US/UK - there seems to be a lack of AAA/Killer App games on the horizon for PSP to broaden the appeal of the console beyond early adopters and gadget fans with large disposable incomes.
Magicpaint
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Gaybrush Threepio said:
Fixed.
Magicpaint
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ibu said:
They've announced a new Dragon Quest Monsters for the DS.
Earthstrike
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In Japan brain training had a snowball effect by constantly getting on the news, etc.
If the media get on Brain Training it will have a similar effect, probably lesser in magnitude, than in Japan.
People don't realize but Japanese trends stick.
Pokemon, tamagotchi, NINTENDOGS (Noone thought that would sell here either remember?)
If the media get on Brain Training it will have a similar effect, probably lesser in magnitude, than in Japan.
People don't realize but Japanese trends stick.
Pokemon, tamagotchi, NINTENDOGS (Noone thought that would sell here either remember?)
borghe said:If NOA/E can get there act together and give us a tight release of NSMB/BT/DSL there won't even be a need for a thread like this
Here's to hoping that at E3 Nintendo announces that the DSL will go on sale with NSMB.
Well, it's pretty much a given that the Lite will come out around the time that NSMB and Brain Training will come out. The fact that the newest PAL BT boxart has the Lite slapped on (where it first featured the regular DS) made a lot of people say the same thing. End of May, start of June, that's the current date. Wouldn't surprise me if they released the system in both territories at once.
But man, the coming months are a pain in my wallet.. Titles like Brain Training (June 9th), New Super Mario Bros (June 9th), Metroid Prime Hunters (May 5th), Lost Magic (April 25th), Trauma Center (April 28th), Super Princess Peach (May 27th), Metroid Prime Pinball (June 9th) and Tetris DS (April 24th) and you got one hell of a line up. * Dates are European and could be placeholders.
I'd say the DS will continue it's dominance for a while. Like you said, they could use a tight release and at the moment they are doing exactly that.
PSP seems to be a longer life product and is doing well in it's own right. I think (like the PS) it *could* grow over time with pricedrops. However, do you guys think Sony will keep the current PSP out long enough to *maybe* do this, or do you think they'll move onto the (non-UMD) HDD based "PSP2" before then? Do you think it'll matter once PokeMon Diamond & Pearl comes?
PSP is on track to sell at least 50 million worldwide. And probably much more. If the final breakdown is DS at 90 million and PSP at 72 million worldwide I'm not going to shed any tears, because it is a big enough piece of the pie to make sure I get good games every step of the way.
CurseoftheGods
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Mrbob said:
Huh?
fixedMrbob said:
sorry, but I tried giving PSP another chance towards the beginning of the year and what is its slate? ports and rertreads.
it is quite clear that most developer's agendas for the PSP equate to porting their current games to it from PS2 for a quick buck. no thanks.
Wow, just wow. Top 6 games in DS chart all sold more than top selling PSP game (Pursuit Force is bundled with PSP hardware in a lot of stores).Frankfurter said:
Also I think RE DS didn't bomb in Germany (I assume this is its second week on sale)
borghe said:
Well we'll have to wait a little longer. I agree that the porting has been a problem with third parties, and has hampered the system. If a bunch of ports are announced at E3 this year, then yeah I would say there is a problem. PSP has so much potential, but it is going to waste at the moment.
PhoenixDark
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The DS has already won the next gen war in Japan
The DS is holding off the PSP in the US with one hand, waiting for backup (IE Pokemon)
The DS is beating the PSP in every democracy in Europe (IE all of Europe lolz)
The DS is holding off the PSP in the US with one hand, waiting for backup (IE Pokemon)
The DS is beating the PSP in every democracy in Europe (IE all of Europe lolz)
Magicpaint
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Mrbob said:
QFT.
I think some effort from Sony themselves would help this cause (more of Daxter, Loco Roco etc, please). I'd like to see Sony work on brand new projects as well as original PSP entries into their existing franchises. I'm sure if these see success (and they should), they'd help demonstrate the PSP as a genuine gaming platform, third parties would probably follow suit.
pinkatrophe
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GIZMONDO FTW!
No, really. :|
No, really. :|
:'(
Mrbob said:
The thing that's frustrated me is the RPG situation. The PlayStation brand has been phenomenal for RPGs, and so there was a certain expectation that some degree of that strength would transfer to the PSP in seeing high quality, decently budgeted RPGs on the go.
It's turned out to be the exact opposite of that. Seeing Monster Kingdom, what looked to be the sole worthwhile original PSP RPG, completely bomb in Japan... was a huge disappointment. It's a bad situation -- I'm not sure what could turn it around for RPGs at this point; the PSX emulation, hopefully, might spark a few good ones.
cvxfreak said:
In particular, for Nintendo DS we have:
Japan: 7.1 millions;
USA: 4.3 millions;
Europe: 4.5-5 millions;
Total: 16.1-16.6 millions; (Plus other regions ~ 17 millions).
For PSP:
Japan: 3.2 millions;
USA: 4.1 millions;
Europe: 3-3.5 millions;
Total: 10.3-10.8 millions; (Plus other regions ~ 11 millions).
Source: Media Create, NPD, Gfk, Elspa.
P.S.: There's some problems with Europe & "other regions", but the approximation is good.
Magicpaint
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xaosslug said:all PSP needs to turn the tide in Japan is a Dragon Quest...
let's not count them chickens before they is hatched.
:lol
Not only is that highly unlikely, but the Dragon Quest games so far are all on DS.
Magicpaint
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lancubap said:
I know the DQ games on the DS aren't main games, but they are still Dragon Quest games, and the DQ Monsters series is actually very big.
mckmas8808
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borghe said:
Yeah because games like Lumines, Loco Roco, Exit, and DJ Maxx are horribly planned and basically non-existant.
GET A LIFE YOUNGBUCK
Magicpaint
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xaosslug said:
Saying all PSP needs is a "Dragon Quest" game to turn the tides is wishful thinking, sorry :lol
That doesn't affect the DS in anyway, all that can do is help the PSP, while the DS still continues to sell Brain Traninig/Animal Crossing and Mario Kart like they are first week releases.
I'm not discounting the PSP, it's doing well in its own right, but the DS has developed such a huge lead in a such short space of time, that right now, it seems almost unstoppable (in Japan).
mckmas8808
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kia said:
And what makes that soooo impossible? They have already sold over 11 million units without a price drop. Oh I forgot PSP is for the suckerss!!!111!!!
sonycowboy
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lancubap said:
:lol
OMG. Sorry, but that's not even close for Europe/WW #'s. "Some problems" indeed.
NOTE: I do think the PSP could be heading for trouble, but if we look at the current state it's extremely close outside of Japan and the PSP is currently selling better than the DS in 2006 in both Europe and NA.
Now, March/April is going to be interesting. Some high profile DS releases and Brain Training / DS Lite on the horizon.
Magicpaint said:
In a word: I agree !
Nobody has said that PSP is a failure or something like that. We are only saying that Nintendo DS's success is bigger then PSP'success.
In Japan, absolutely.
In Europe: sure.
In USA: head to head.
Total, as I have said: 11 millions PSP vs. 16-17 millions Nintendo DS.
That's all, but I repeat: nobody here says that PSP is a failure.
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sonycowboy said:
Ehm, what ? It is not clear, can you repeat ?
EDIT:
Well, I know that in Europe it is always a problem to make a good approximation, but I know for sure one thing:
Sony has not said that PSP has broken the 4 millions mark, and I'm quite sure that PSP has broken the 3 millions mark (well, I hope !) & Nintendo has not said that Nintendo DS has broken the 5 millions, but sure it has brokne the 4 millions mark (at the end of Februar).
So, I know, you have all reasons to say that is not accurate, but Nintendo DS is sure al least ahead of 1 million: this is the only sure thing !!
EDIT 2:
I have read you're NOTE, and it is accurate ONLY for UK & Spain (in Februar - March - Period, now, with Animal Crossing out I doubt seriously), but France, Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Danmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden & co. not at all.
So, in general, Nintendo DS is ahead of 1 millions or more. This is a fact.
xaosslug said:
One can acknowledge the sales successes of the PSP without thinking, quite against all available evidence, that the system will end up getting a Dragon Quest game -- aside for the port of Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy in Itadaki Steet, anyway.
The DS has already gotten DQ: Slime Morimori 2, and it's getting DQ Monsters DS. It's very unlikely the PSP will be getting a DQ game -- and that this will suddenly, miraculously "turn the tide" for the system in Japan, which is pure, outlandish wishful thinking at best.
You would have a point if you actually played the games you listed. Could've gone with Daxter or something, at least that game is actually out.mckmas8808 said:Yeah because games like Lumines, Loco Roco, Exit, and DJ Maxx are horribly planned and basically non-existant.
GET A LIFE YOUNGBUCK
I'm pretty sure the DS won't make it to 50 million either.mckmas8808 said:
Rocked said:
True. It is real that PSP is selling well in Europe (I think, not sure), but please stop with the stupid Dogma that Europe is "Sonyland", because is not true, absolutely not.
PSP is selling well, but DS is selling better. That's all.
Sonycowboy: read please my note 2 and answer in your post as note 2.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Mook1e said:
Thank you what's wrong with that guy? I'm just so sick of people saying that the PSP is all about ports. WTF? Daxter and Syphon Filter aren't even ports. They are completly different games.
Now all of a sudden people don't want existing franchises on different systems? WTF at Mario and Pokemon?