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Zophar said:
Wasn't prologue bundled as well?
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Can PS3 Catch Up to 360?
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Wasn't prologue bundled as well?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Agreed with all of this.2 Minutes Turkish said:
What strikes me most about the Gaming side here is just how insular this place can be. It's completely detached from the reality of most situations. It's sort of like the 2009 version of a Sega Saturn fan talking about how it kills PS1 because it has multiple processors and shit.
2 Minutes Turkish
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Sorry, I just realised that we're now "waiting for Gran Turismo 5".
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Sorry, I just realised that we're now "waiting for Gran Turismo 5".
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Grampa Simpson
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That'll be the the NPD after Killzone.2 Minutes Turkish said:
PepsimanVsJoe
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I shouldn't talk. I was probably even worse during the Dreamcast days.
Wait for Shenmue 2, wait for Sonic Adventure 2, etc etc.
Wait for Shenmue 2, wait for Sonic Adventure 2, etc etc.
Thunder Monkey
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Defeating a foe that has left the battlefield for future wars is what I like to call a...
Hollow victory.
Hollow victory.
The Librarian
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If it believes in itself.
jeremy1456
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Afrikan said:
It's the meme that Sony fans have been using since the beginning of this generation.
Wait for:
Virtua Fighter 5
Heavenly Sword
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Grand Theft Auto IV
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
LittleBigPlanet
Valkyria Chronicles
I've seen posts on this forum at different times for each claiming that every single one of those would turn things around for the PS3 when it was released.
Can you see why nobody takes those kind of posts seriously anymore?
Grampa Simpson
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I just searched through every the first 30some pages of gaming, and can't find a similar thread for the PS3. Does one not exist?RBH said:
Zophar said:
To be honest though, some of the games that the SDF have been clinging to "save" the PS3 have had about as much chance as Valkyria Chronicles did.
Current victim of this hope: Killzone 2. HEY GAIZ A SEQUEL TO A GAME THAT DIDN'T BREAK A MILLION COPIES IS GOING TO SAVE THE TRIPPLE IT'LL BE TOTALLY AWESOME
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Zophar said:
That one was actually to a lesser extent.
And yes, some people were under the impression that as a RPG it would help the PS3.
jeremy1456 said:
well....maybe because I expect better from GAF...but I forget sometimes.... I expect this whole "just wait" thing at Gamespot.... but if people were expecting titles like Ninja Gaiden Sigma and LittleBigPlant to flip the whole sales scene upside down....then that is sad..... I would think more on Gaf would understand that you can't expect to see massive difference in sales when one console sales for $199 and the other one sales for $399....
Paracelsus
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-viper- said:
Keyword is "average". Answer is Wii.
Based on what, Resistance 2 sales? I can't see KZ2 do the numbers that COD:WAW did on PS3. Outside of the internet, there is no marketing for the game, Sony needs to roll out that hypetrain tommorow, there'll probably be some unexplainable advertisments, about a guy that goes to the dentist and notices a helghast in the mirror or something.Zophar said:
Grampa Simpson
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That explains it. I was doing CTRL-F 2009 for the first few pages then CTRL-F PS3 for the rest.RBH said:
I expect it to do an LTD better than any other PS3 exclusive to date really, sans MGS4. It's an FPS game with a bajillion features and the "graphics is tight" as they say. People are bound to eat it up. 3-4 million LTD seems reasonable to me.[Nintex] said:
You're underestimating the internet, by the way. I've never seen even a single television commercial for Resistance 2 or COD:WaW, for example.
Zophar said:
Whoops, turns out that < million is NA only. That's what I get for trusting the Sales Site Which Shall Not Be Named. Google was a no-go as far as finding European sales data, so meh.
Could Killzone 2 sell well? Probably. Is it going to be the PS3's Halo or Wii Sports, the game that makes tons of people run out and buy a system for it alone? Exceedingly unlikely.
I actually do agree with the guy that said that no one game will be a game changer under any situation going forward. *Maybe* some rare phenomenon like Wii Sports was, but there's such a breadth of quality in games and variety in consumers that very few titles will ever *make* the market as they once did.Chozo said:
edit: oh damn now I do remember WaW commercials, they were all for the Wii version though now that I think about it.
Chozo said:
I'm not really interested in Killzone 2 either, but to think that it'll be as big as the two games you mentioned, one of which will go down as the highest selling game of all time, is a bit much. You might want to color your expectations, don't base them on the fanboy drivel present in that thread. It's too bad the game won't appeal to the Japanese, otherwise I'd hope for MGS4 sales for it, perhaps I'm overreaching on that
Chozo said:
I think if Sony gave it the Marketing push/hype of a new IP as it is THE NEXT BIG THING...like Microsoft did with Gears of War....then, yes it would sell extremely well (as far as with current PS3 owners)..... but if Sony's Marketing team is just sitting on their arses, then it won't exceed expectations.....as far as sells....
1. PS3 is selling on pair with x360 in Europe +-1 mln., though x360 had 1,5 year advantage.
2. PS3 has over 2 mln. userbase advantage in Japan and most GOOD games on PS3 easy pass 300k mark. While on x360 only some jrpgs can pass 100k sales mark.
3. Now, NA, it`s 7 mln. vs 14 mln., that is some difference, BUT because of that difference, NOBODY is going to ignore 33% of NA market share.
Time has changed, we live in a MULTIPLATFORM ERA, there is VERY low chance, that developers will start support x360 exclusively, because of those 7 mln. advantage.
There is MORE chance, that some Japanese developers will still exclusively support PS3, but for wesern developers, unless they are paid, there is no chance.
Well, slim chance, that western developers will want to utilize blu-ray disc space and cell power and create something amazing, but this will cost a lot of money, so not in near future so far.
Time has changed. Sales doesn`t matter anymore THAT much, as they did in PS2 gen. Wii is number one, yet we get more HIGH quality 3rd party PS360 games, then Wii.
And last thing, let`s assume, that PS3 in next 2 year outsells x360 by a lot, and will be like 20 or 30 mln. ahead of x360. That is 35-40 mln. vs 60-70 mln. So what, what will change?
Does anybody actually believe, that western developers will abandon x360 now?
The only winner now, who can make a profit. Sales doesn`t matter anymore THAT much. By the end of this year, all 3 console will pass xbox/GC sales. Now it`s only about GAMES and profit. =)
Of`course, every console maker want to expand it`s brand. But all 3 did enough this gen(well maybe Sony is yet to show it`s selling power in future), still it`s not like any of consoles will end selling less then 40-50 mln. this gen. And 50 mln. userbase for any console means a good result.
p.s. PS3 will be ahead of x360 WW, because EU+JP > NA.
2. PS3 has over 2 mln. userbase advantage in Japan and most GOOD games on PS3 easy pass 300k mark. While on x360 only some jrpgs can pass 100k sales mark.
3. Now, NA, it`s 7 mln. vs 14 mln., that is some difference, BUT because of that difference, NOBODY is going to ignore 33% of NA market share.
Time has changed, we live in a MULTIPLATFORM ERA, there is VERY low chance, that developers will start support x360 exclusively, because of those 7 mln. advantage.
There is MORE chance, that some Japanese developers will still exclusively support PS3, but for wesern developers, unless they are paid, there is no chance.
Well, slim chance, that western developers will want to utilize blu-ray disc space and cell power and create something amazing, but this will cost a lot of money, so not in near future so far.
Time has changed. Sales doesn`t matter anymore THAT much, as they did in PS2 gen. Wii is number one, yet we get more HIGH quality 3rd party PS360 games, then Wii.
And last thing, let`s assume, that PS3 in next 2 year outsells x360 by a lot, and will be like 20 or 30 mln. ahead of x360. That is 35-40 mln. vs 60-70 mln. So what, what will change?
Does anybody actually believe, that western developers will abandon x360 now?
The only winner now, who can make a profit. Sales doesn`t matter anymore THAT much. By the end of this year, all 3 console will pass xbox/GC sales. Now it`s only about GAMES and profit. =)
Of`course, every console maker want to expand it`s brand. But all 3 did enough this gen(well maybe Sony is yet to show it`s selling power in future), still it`s not like any of consoles will end selling less then 40-50 mln. this gen. And 50 mln. userbase for any console means a good result.
p.s. PS3 will be ahead of x360 WW, because EU+JP > NA.
Paracelsus
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dgenx said:
Playstation Portable.
PepsimanVsJoe
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CrazzyMan said:
Dude next time a thread like this comes around and you're not not here. I will totally save this post and quote it for you.
TheBranca18 said:
Because when people go "wait for (game) and then the PS3 will really take off," that's essentially what they're saying. I'm merely pointing out the magnitude of what that statement implies.
It's a disingenous to point this out without context. 360 hasn't even broken 1 million in Japan IIRC, and the Wii shits on both of them from a great height in terms of Japanese installed base.
The problem with this scenario is twofold:
1. The PS3 is more expensive
2. The 360 has a significantly larger install base
Multiplatform games are arguably more of a benefit for the 360 because of the price point, and it has enough of a base that you could make a title exclusive for the platform and not be screwing yourself. This isn't the case with the PS3, as evidenced by the number of exclusives jumping ship.
In other words, the PS3 is losing its differentiation that it needs to justify a higher price point.
1. By whose metric?
2. Developers seem struck with a serious case of retarded this gen. Yeah, clearly a console that sells faster than they can make them and still commands markups on eBay two years after release is a fad that's going away any day now.
Just...oi.
yurinka
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With more than 50 million copies shipped, Gran Turismo is the racing series IP with the best sales in the videogames.Private Hoffman said:
Source
random link, as press releases it was in every gaming site)http://www.pressroom2.com/2008/05/12/gran-turismo-series-shipment-exceeds-50-million-units-worldwide/
I think the PS3 will catch the 360 worldwide with US maybe as the only market with more 360 in LTD sales at the end of the generation. Why?
· PS3 with more margin to future price cuts (so sales boosts) than the 360 because right now is more expensive.
· HDTVs still aren't everywhere. With HDTV people also wants movies in HD, and the PS3 has BlueRay. So I think the grow of the HDTV installbase will help PS3 sales, and maybe this new 3D tech will help the BlueRay/PS3 too.
· PS2 has 130+ million copies sold. Lots of millions of users still waiting for lower prices and key IPs, even some of they already jumped/will jump to 360 or Wii, but a lot will buy PS3 specially casuals and Europeans.
· Severall key PS2 game IP still to appear in PS3 (GT5, God of War, Final Fantasy, Team Ico,...), really promising sequels in terms of quality and sales of games IP that didn't have great sales previously (Uncharted, Killzone, LBP), and interesting announced IP like Heavy Rain.
· Almost all the developers of the main 360 exclusives IP (mainly 2nd party) are working (or rumored to be working) in multiplatform titles, and only a few of them are released. Tekken and FF are the only ex-PS exclusives IP to debut as multiplatform. PS3 now can only loose Metal Gear, all their other big exclusives are 1st party.
· In the 360 main market, US, PS3 raised 40% year to year its hardware sales this 2008 year. 360 mantained its previous year numbers thanks to a huge price drop making it cheaper than a Wii.
I didn't want to ask this in the NPD thread, and don't want to go into the official thread, but is Killzone 2 supposed to be good? I remember playing Killzone 1 and I thought it was pretty mediocre. The developer has made two bad to mediocre shooters and one good PSP game (that isn't an FPS). The graphics do look amazing, but I've been burned by that before.
909er said:
There is a place for that. Ask any question you like in there.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342018
MikeE21286
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Yeah, I think when it is all said and done the PS3 will outsell the 360 WW
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