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That's honestly really lame. I mean FFS phones for years have been able to do this. WTF is the hold up on THIS one? :lol
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That's honestly really lame. I mean FFS phones for years have been able to do this. WTF is the hold up on THIS one? :lol
brotkasten
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Yeah, I don't get this. What's the excuse this time? They didn't have enough time to implement it? Sure, you can't side load files, but you should be able to load ringtones from the Zune software to your phone.Brettison said:
Really? It's custom ringtones, not multi taskting.
It seems silly that "simple" things like custom ringtones and copy+paste are missing, but you gotta remember, the entire thing was built from scratch in a short amount of time.
All of those "simple" things still need to be fully implemented and tested. And sometimes they're not as simple as they seem.
-copy+paste introduces potential security issues since everything is sandboxed
-custom ringtones have all the minutiae of where can you install them from, a service to host them on zune, format support, etc.
Building it from scratch, all those things take time, and something's gotta give. A couple weeks here or there add up when it's a bunch of smaller things.
When it comes down to it, it's a hell of a lot easier to add in features like copy+paste and custom ringtones later on, than it would be to, say, add customizable hubs later on. Or support for plugins like Youtube. Or Facebook integration.
It's not a defense or a justfication - if you want those features, depend on those features, by all means don't get the phone! But at least Microsoft's explanations make sense here.
All of those "simple" things still need to be fully implemented and tested. And sometimes they're not as simple as they seem.
-copy+paste introduces potential security issues since everything is sandboxed
-custom ringtones have all the minutiae of where can you install them from, a service to host them on zune, format support, etc.
Building it from scratch, all those things take time, and something's gotta give. A couple weeks here or there add up when it's a bunch of smaller things.
When it comes down to it, it's a hell of a lot easier to add in features like copy+paste and custom ringtones later on, than it would be to, say, add customizable hubs later on. Or support for plugins like Youtube. Or Facebook integration.
It's not a defense or a justfication - if you want those features, depend on those features, by all means don't get the phone! But at least Microsoft's explanations make sense here.
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ZOMG...
Live Mesh is out of beta and fuck'n 5 gigs free .... holy shit couple that with a Win 7 Phone... NOM NOM NOM NOM
Live Mesh is out of beta and fuck'n 5 gigs free .... holy shit couple that with a Win 7 Phone... NOM NOM NOM NOM
Ok well I've hit a snag. A while ago I installed Zune 4.7 and the next day I turned on my computer and it would not boot. Hit a blue screen right after the Windows boot thing and I had to System Restore to fix it. I thought it was a freak occurence.
Apparently not.
Yesterday I installed Zune 4.7 again and now I have the same issue.
Ugh.
Apparently not.
Yesterday I installed Zune 4.7 again and now I have the same issue.
Ugh.
Scalemail Ted
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Any word on when Sprint will get a windows 7 phone?
I'd wait two weeks for the phone you actually want. I don't know about you, but I've gone two years with my past two phones (then again, that's how long it takes before we can upgrade here!).
Also from the Ars review:
Also from the Ars review:
Fucking Microsoft. Why does it keep treating one of their most popular products in the world with 330 million users like a second class product on its own goddamn platforms. I can't believe I can get a native client for Messenger on iPhones and BlackBerries but we get stripped down bullshit on Windows Phone 7 and the Xbox 360. Ugh. Just because the US doesn't user Messenger doesn't mean the rest of us don't.
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Seriously thinking about getting an HTC 7 Mozart from Orange in the UK. Its either that, or an iPhone 4 (but I already have an iPad, so I dont really feel the need for another iProduct).
Decisions, decisions...
Decisions, decisions...
Sir Fragula said:
HD7 for me, as soon as carphone warehouse get them instock. I like the idea of the screen being big enough that my clumsy man-hands will be able to send messages quicly without fucking too much up. Once i get used to it, then in 10 months or so ill pick up a smaller 2nd gen windows 7 device!
Man, I really like the look of the UI. It might be the sole reason for me to go from Android to WP7. Still without multi-tasking and copy/paste I'm not willing to jump over but soon as WP7 gets those functions I will be all over it. Any euro prices for HTC HD7/Samsung Omnia yet ? Or maybe I should see what MeeGo has to offer x_x Dunno, too many freaking choices! :lol
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Sir Fragula said:
I prefer the looks of the Mozart, plus it seems to have better specs? I might be wrong tho.
brotkasten
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Sir Fragula said:
I'd take a Samsung WP7 over the HD7 any day. Twice on Sunday.
Seriously, the HD7 has a huge ass screen and that's it. According to the Engadget review it's not even a good screen.
vs
Now that the Garmin-Asus collaboration ends in January, I'm wondering what will happen to the WP7 device.
And three tweets from MobileTechWorld.com kinda confirmed that the European launch wasn't really one.
Another report on the shortages.
WP7 just came out and we are already having shortages?
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TheBranca18 said:
what is your problem with it? i think it looks genuinely fresh and intuitive
Topher said:
There's a video here showing some of the differences between the Zune SW on the Zune HD and on Windows Phone 7. I didn't bother watching it yet, just read the summary
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-vs-zune-hd-video
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:lolFirestorm said:
firestorm do you know how much windows phone 7 would cost unlocked in Canada (if they come unlocked in canada)?
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dLMN8R said:
MS doesn't get a pass because they took longer to give a fuck about smart phones than other companies did. If you enter the market late, you're expected to enter at the same standard your competitors are at now, not at the same standard that they were at when they first entered the market.
But features like Copy-and-paste or custom ringtones are no longer part of the minimun standard of the market placeif it were the most recent Symbian phone would have been better receive than this crop of WP7 phones. The iPhone was 'late' to the market, by over a decade, yet revolutionized the industry without those features. The new standard appears to be a touch-centric UI with very user friendly phone, text, mail and browser apps at a minimum. Custom ringtones and copy-and-paste can help make those better, and I'd love to have them regardless, but they aren't necessaryStumpokapow said:
Apple doesn't support iChat on the iPhone?Korey said:
L - O - L.
In non-bullshit terms - I'd much rather have an easily upgradeable third-party application than something tied directly into the OS. And third-party chat apps will probably be available in the marketplace in short order.
I'm not giving them a pass. Which is why it's helpful if you read my entire post instead of just the first paragraph.Stumpokapow said:
Microsoft themselves developed the Messenger app for iPhone and BlackBerry. It's really stupid that they outsourced this. This could have been their BBM killer =/ Hopefully it's an external app so they can create a fully integrated one later.dLMN8R said:
You'll need to buy one of the companies' phones outright and then unlock it using one of the many websites / unlock codes usually. $500 - $550 + tax is what I'd peg most of them at for the outright price.shadowcomplex said:
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It's not exactly like Microsoft didn't give a shit about the phone market. They started the development of Photon (Windows Mobile 7) in 2004, had 1000 developers on that project, scrapped everything in September 2008 and had to start over. Sounds like Longhorn/Vista, huh? I'm pretty sure the market didn't develop as they expected (the iPhone came along and said 'Hi'). I mean, look at the old screenshots. It's a pretty Windows Mobile with gestures, but you still had to use a stylus for things like the file manager. You can see some bits an pieces of it in Windows Mobile 6.5.3. Fact is, Microsoft fucked up and now they're paying for it and it's not our problem and it shouldn't be. If you read the reviews, than it's clear that no one gives them a free pass for that.Stumpokapow said:
But they want to compete with other smartphone OSs and not feature phones. Multitasking and copy/paste should be there from day one. They could've at least implemented a simple app switching functionality like 'double tap the back button to bring up the last 6 or 8 apps you used'.Charred Greyface said:
That's not the same. It would be the same, if Apple offered native iChat apps for Windows Mobile/Windows Phone 7 and BlackBerry OS, but they don't. Microsoft on the other hand has native WLM apps for iOS and BB OS.dLMN8R said:
And I would much rather have a native first party app with multitasking support. They even released a WLM on a similar platform few weeks ago, why not just port it over?dLMN8R said:
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numble said:
Yes and no. You could create a ringtone in itunes and trick the iphone into using it but you couldn't use any sound file on the phone for your ringtone (this was using an iphone 2g up to version 3 of iOS). And yes, I was also talking about different sounds for texts and emails.
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