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Shuhei Yoshida: Shadow of the Colossus On PS4 Is A Remake Not A Remaster
- Thread starter YoRHa No.2 Type B
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Pretty much what I wanted to hear. No new colossi is, as far as I'm concerned, good news. The game was lean and minimalistic, and 16 is a nice even number anyway. I wouldn't complain if there were new ones, I suppose, but there is a definitely risk they could get redundant.
And a control update is much needed. Glad there will be a classic option for the pedantic fans, but really the controls of that game would be something of an issue for most modern players. They don't feel good.
And a control update is much needed. Glad there will be a classic option for the pedantic fans, but really the controls of that game would be something of an issue for most modern players. They don't feel good.
Scrooge McDuck
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Shadow Ranger
Member
Was clear. And like many, I'd like MGS3 to get the same treatment since those pachinko cutscenes are essentially that.
Garrett Hawke
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hmmm.Aren't those also the case for this game?
higher res textures, impossible on a ps2? check
higher poly models, impossible on a ps2? check
hmmm
Port
Remaster
Remake
Reimagining
Games exist on a spectrum, but they are closest to one of the above.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is a remake.
Ratchet and Clank is a remake.
Tomb Raider (2013) is a reimagining.
Resident Evil REmake is a remake.
Shadow of the Colossus is a remaster. Updating assets on the same 'skeleton' of a game is a remaster. Those assets can be textures, sound, geometry - still a remaster.
Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy is technically a remake, as it was built without the original games' source code, but effectively a remaster.
Remaster
Remake
Reimagining
Games exist on a spectrum, but they are closest to one of the above.
Tomb Raider Anniversary is a remake.
Ratchet and Clank is a remake.
Tomb Raider (2013) is a reimagining.
Resident Evil REmake is a remake.
Shadow of the Colossus is a remaster. Updating assets on the same 'skeleton' of a game is a remaster. Those assets can be textures, sound, geometry - still a remaster.
Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy is technically a remake, as it was built without the original games' source code, but effectively a remaster.
Savantcore
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Blackleg-sanji1
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What a weird thread lol truly will find something new to debate everyday. I could tell you why I think its a remake, I could tell you why it's not a remaster but I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain so I'll take shu's word
Stallion Dan
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When European movies are remade in the US with exact same story, dialogue and camera shots, just with English speaking actors, do you think it's a remaster?
They're remakes.
When George Lucas added special effects to the original trilogy was that a remake?
Cave Johnson
Member
For one, they have to redo the hub temple as it currently fits 16 colossi. Then there's the world itself.
MrCookiepants
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Anyone with eyes should know this already, but thanks Shu for clearing it up for the confused/slow.
Stallion Dan
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They're remakes because they copy the original, except actually remade everything.
Like SOTC, copying the original, but remaking everything.
SOTC is not taking the original and adding stuff.
It's not remaking the game from the ground up, though. It's using the same code from the original game.
It's like instead of buying a brand new car, you just take the engine of your old one and put it in the body of a sports car. It's partially 'new', but it's also essentially the same car.
Aren't those also the case for this game?
No. Those models were updated and the textures were updated, and the engine is the same. SotC all of the assets are not just an update of old textures, or models, they're completely remade from start to finish.
I think a better analogy for something like this would be the Star Wars Special Editions, which add a bunch of new effects/visuals and a few new scenes. While the quality of those changes is very debatable, no one would call the Star Wars SE a remake.
Generally, I think remakes involve significant changes and alterations to the fundamental structure of the work. The obvious examples in gaming are stuff like FFVIIR, Ratchet and Clank, REmake, Metroid: Samus Returns, Black Mesa, Final Fantasy IV DS, Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen, etc. This game seems much more along the lines of enhanced remasters like the Zelda 3D games: completely overhauled visually, with all-new assets, but other than a few quality-of-life upgrades, the base gameplay and content is identical.
SOTC isn't remaking everything. It isn't remaking game logic, it isn't redesigning boss battles. It's taking a game and increasing the fidelity of the audio and visuals, just like a remastered song might re-record instruments or vocals to current day standards. A remastered game does the same with the other aspects of a visual medium, such as textures and geometry.
A remake, however, starts from 'scratch' with the original being a guideline to follow.
Frostman
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Do you think a remake requires brand new content?
It's a remake. The same game, but remade, with entirely new assets.
They aren't remaking everything. Visuals alone are not a game.
Shadow of the Colossus for PS4 is only remaking the graphics and animations from scratch.
The code of the game is the same.
I don't get how this is hard to understand.
This applies to you as well.
Ocarina of Time is a remaster because it "only" polished the original game, even if its efforts were above the average of typical remasters. The 3DS version still has the same glitches as the N64 game, i.e. the core game is still underneath its new textures. Crash Bandicoot would be a remake because it's a completely new production with nothing of the PS1 games "underneath" - it's just immitating the original games.
InvincibleFist
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Was it confirmed that the game is using the original code or is this a guess/assumption?
The same can be said of the new crash bandicoot yet it was confirmed that old map data from the original games was baked in.
Incorrect. A recent interview confirmed the use of original assets.
butman
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Yes it IS. Just like R.E. Remake.
coughlanio
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I've always considered a remaster to be the game running on the original engine with some tweaked values (resolution, both viewport and texture, and additional features such as enhanced lighting and anti-aliasing).
This looks like they're using a new engine and everything else that comes along with that.
Remake.
This looks like they're using a new engine and everything else that comes along with that.
Remake.
Wolf Akela
Member
It really isn't this simple. Persona 4 Golden and Tactics Ogre: LUCT could be a remaster or a remake by your definitions.
lukeskymac
Member
No, YOU have no idea what a remake is. Or you don't seem to understand what the sentence "The game content is the same as the original version, but all the assets are being remade" actually MEANS.
God, this is 4chan-levels of pointless contrarianism.
katsubento
Member
It sounds like it's time for:
#team remake
VS
#team remaster
Round One...Fight!
#team remake
VS
#team remaster
Round One...Fight!
FFVII remake begs to differ.
coughlanio
Member
They didn't remake the assets for Golden though?
Wtf no cut colossi included? meh....
It hasn't been outright said to my knowledge, but every single interview about it has only mentioned updating the assets. Plus, Bluepoint Games mainly only work on remasters. I really can't see them being the studio that would be granted the task of actually rebuilding Shadow of the Colossus from the ground up.
nah, this is more like round 15 or something lol
this is a dumb discussion that has been going around for 10 days now
VectorVictor
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Considering this game was on the PS2 (where I completed it) and the PS3, wouldn't the PS4 version be a remake of a remaster?
Or a remaster of a remake?
Or a remake of a remake?
Or a remaster of a remaster?
Or a remaster of a remake?
Or a remake of a remake?
Or a remaster of a remaster?
It's a better remaster.
Scrooge McDuck
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Wait, please clarify what you meant by "update", first. Because it's not like they just took, for example, a Tidus 3D model then mold it around into the Remastered Model. They remade that model from scratch, too.
Pound_lb003
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It doesn't baffle me, the game didn't sell amazingly well (I'm not sure it even cracked above 1 million) and yet it's looked back on so fondly.
Speaking for myself, there's an awful lot of old games I'd love to experience and understand why people love, but those games often require context as to why they were so good - the timeless elements of their quality remain but they're wrapped up in an often dated package.
Reintroducing a game like this, allowing people to play it as if it were a modern title opens it up to another audience. And to be frank, this game mechanically will probably always hold up well. Especially if they fix niggling response time issues and introduce new control schemes for people.
Dare I say it, BotW took plenty of hints from this game.
I am so happy this is happening and I cannot wait to replay as if it were a new release again.
This is the golden truth I already revealed in the thread. Its the remake of a remaster. So its still a remaster.
katsubento
Member
Remake, remaster, just play it when it comes out. It's awesome.
