Saberus
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It will be the battle of the secret sauces.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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It will be the battle of the secret sauces.
BruceLeeRoy
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Sorry I guess taken in pieces the posts don't make much sense. I was responding to the notion that the Wii U will be relatively close in power to the next systems. I don't think it will. I think the Wii U will be able to outclass the best the PS3 and 360 have to offer but it won't be right out the gate and will take a couple years to even achieve that let alone compete with the games that are being released on Orbis, Durango.
Tears For Fears
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Ignore him, he's not rational.
Karak
Member
No sir.
In fact they are a very good rendition of what can be adjusting with custom silicon.
Somewhere the battle began between light and dark. Secret sauce became magical changes. Despite the buzz words people want to throw around, depending on which item they want to draw attention to or away from, custom silicon exists for a VERY specific reason and there are more examples of custom silicon, custom stand in chips, that do WONDERS than anyone can imagine, across all technical applications.
shinobi602
Member
You know, I don't see why these special sauces are such a big deal.
I have my own special sauce too.
Because Wii U will be the most powerful one of the three.
BruceLeeRoy
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This doesn't really mean a lot but a relative of mine got to work with a guy on a personal project that is a Sony developer and he couldn't talk about PS4 or Orbis that much but when asked what has been impressing him the most he said definitely the stuff they are doing with "lighting" and some of the weather systems he has seen.
PopcornMegaphone
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Everything I've read up to this point has made me believe the PS4 and 720 would be relativity equal in terms of power, but I'm really struggling with that conclusion after reading the article and this thread. The PS4's faster RAM advantage appears significantly better and I'm not even considering the OS footprint stuff. The 720 must have a lot of "secret sauce" or previous rumors were wrong.
Yeah it will be interesting to see if MS can make up the difference. Wasn't there a rumor that had Orbis at 1.5 Tflops? In that case I could see the secret sauce working but it seems Sony have stepped up their game now.
Does anyone want to take a bet which one will be more expensive? The only really expensive part on the Orbis so far is the RAM. For Durago there seems to be a considerable amount of R&D being spent for the special sauce and also there's the issue of the inclusion of Kinect 2.0. I can definitely see Orbis being a bit cheaper than Durago.
Just off the top of my head, I remember it mentioned somewhere.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
That would keep California happy wouldn't it.
can you be more specific.
Everything should be integrated in a single chip.
But the rumor seems to point to the fact that there is a 1,8Teraflops GPU + a 8-cores CPU which also contains additional modules.
I think it's reasonable to expect that this extra hardware might actually be GPGPU stuff to give more flexibility to the design, something that can take the role of the Cell's SPEs derived from the GPU that is integrated in AMD's APU.
That would explain a few things which have been left with a question mark (why devkits are based on an APU+discrete GPU instead of a multicore CPU+discrete GPU, why a few rumors talked about dual GPUs).
Edit: I see that on B3D they're suggesting the same thing, the extra thing in the CPU might be compute units from a GPU acting like a GPGPU module.
BruceLeeRoy
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Haha indeed it would.
The Orbis specs are exciting for sure but even the article states there are a lot of unknowns with the Durangos hardware.
Take fixed tasks that are computationally expensive, particularly for more general purpose GPU hardware, and make hardware that is good at that kind of task specifically. The problem with GPUs is that they're doing a lot of things that they're decent at, rather than fewer things that they're really good at.
Karak
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Sorry I thought it was already here. Someone posted a good idea of what a custom chip could increase in tflops. I will try to go find it. Might have been beyond3d.
And just so you know. I put no LESS stock in Sony having some as MS does. Despite people wanting to downplay magical stuff if its on a system they don't like, the fact remains...it is, and can be, VERY valuable if thought through correctly.
Dude best avatar ever.
Crap dude, my interest is piqued.
LiquidMetal14
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Round table discussion is great.
Lots of things are known to a few but the things that have been coming out are..........interesting.
Lots of things are known to a few but the things that have been coming out are..........interesting.
thehypocrite
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Get GAF gold in order to keep the party going.
BruceLeeRoy
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Karak
Member
Karak you must post in the more sensible threads this sucker is old baby
Sorry between this and that one awesome thread with the dancing Korean? Girls in random girl bands? I can't remember what its called. I am usually spent hahahahaha.
Maybe I have seen it. But the way you posted and the piercing eyes made me want to look up and see what old Taimak was doing right now.
None related obviously but I met him years ago. Nice guy.
Many will.
Well I guess we'll see what Microsoft has in store. But closing the gap with the supposed GPU in the PS4 + Sony's own customization might be a tall order.
Proelite
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In addition, custom hardware can help gpus work at maintain 100% peak utilization.
I read somewhere that on average, 360 and PC gpus work at 60% even under load.
Just image, Sony's gpu can potentially keep up with a 3TF PC gpu in the real world.
BruceLeeRoy
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Hahaha I completely understand that thread is a time vortex.
pieatorium
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Secret sauce vs secret herbs and spices, who will win the next gen war.
Maybe but I doubt it
1 PPE @3.2GHz vs 8 Jaguar Cores @1.6GHz
I'm sure the 8 Jaguar cores will mop the floor with the 1 PPU with general-purpose code.
then we have
6 SPEs @3.2GHz vs bespoke GPU-like "Compute" module?
we don't have much info on this right now so it's hard to say how the added compute module will compare to the 6 SPEs at Computing.
Without custom hardware we wouldn't have seen jaw droppers like Metal Gear Solid 2 or Silent Hill 3 on PS2.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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-Pyromaniac-
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godddd I need next-gen now.
BruceLeeRoy
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That tanker level still looks so dang good.
Sorry between this and that one awesome thread with the dancing Korean? Girls in random girl bands? I can't remember what its called. I am usually spent hahahahaha.
Maybe I have seen it. But the way you posted and the piercing eyes made me want to look up and see what old Taimak was doing right now.
None related obviously but I met him years ago. Nice guy.
What! You met him! How did that happen? You know in Ted when Mark Wahlberg meets Flash Gordon? I would make some bad decisions with Taimak influencing me.
i believe most things you say but that seems fake.
I think efficiency has been a target point for Microsoft in particular. Looking at places where the 360 had power but couldn't use it, where GPUs and CPUs choke. Addressing those places and enabling devs to use what's there as soon as possible.
It's roughly the same (slightly faster) than the 360's bidirectional real-world bandwidth, which is around 11-12GB/s, I believe.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
It really is hard to believe....I need a screenshot leak stat.
Proelite
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That's why I said potentially, they might not have the correct special sauce.
ok ok.lets hope for gameplay demos at reveal....
3TF under the same architecture, maybe.
It's possible that AMD's next major architectural change (9XXX?) will calculate FLOPS differently.
Saberus
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Ok, that does it.. time for a burger.
TUROK
Member
In regard to bottlenecks, sure, but as long as the API and code aren't awful, it's still very possible to use pretty much every ounce of juice from off-the-shelf components.
durango will go up to 2.5tfs with ss you think?
CitizenCope
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I worry about my 720. =(
So which one do you have besides Wii U, Orbis or Durango or both?
getting both will cost less than a gaming pc and you will have top-tier gaming for 5+ years.
(i have a pc dont start)