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Edge 249: Dark Souls II. To be more "direct," "straightforward," and "understandable"
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Ornstein & Smough is now a series of QTE!
The nature and timing of the Dark Souls article is in no way a coincidence they are basically telling us now straight up at announcement the game is going be casualised to some degree and we better get used to it. No doubt Bandai Namco are the pressure behind the changes.
Can see this turning into a disaster where its panned by the hardcore and casuals do not play it anyway.
Seriously chasing other games audiences has basically always ended in disaster.
Can see this turning into a disaster where its panned by the hardcore and casuals do not play it anyway.
Seriously chasing other games audiences has basically always ended in disaster.
Visualante2
Member
20th of December.Downloading Edge #248 right now just to check the last page that says when #249 comes out.Does anyone know the release date?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Was excited for Dark Souls 2. Then I read... those words. Please don't take like one of three games series I actually still enjoy fully away from me. Just... keep the difficulty, definitely keep the maze like interconnected overworld, but explain the games systems a little better.
New directors is weird as well, but I guess Miyazaki has earned the "dont put me just on sequels please" after 2 incredible Souls games.
New directors is weird as well, but I guess Miyazaki has earned the "dont put me just on sequels please" after 2 incredible Souls games.
Nothing wrong with this really.
Dark Souls already has button mashing to free you from grapples and mimics, it just doesn't tell you what to press or even give you any indication you can be freed. Would a button prompt ruin the moment?
The Xtortionist
Member
I don't see "accessible" and "easy" as the same thing. Intuitive and clearly-explained mechanics make a game accessible. I guarantee many players would find Dark Souls 1 much less difficult if the backstab was more emphasized in the tutorial. That move alone turns a large chunk of the game into easy mode. Same with upgrading equipment. If the game's only hard because it's obtuse, that's horseshit.
Make it in-engine but have some gameplay in the trailer.
The Henery
Member
Just ask Halo 4.
The trailer reminded me of the Skyrim advert from last Christmas. They've already goofed in a very very minor way by making it a numbered sequel. I look at my games collection this gen and literally every game has a number after the title (Orange Box contains a sequel). Souls seemed almost purer for not having a number.
Really hope they don't make it too casual friendly. I considered Dark Souls as the last bastion of proper video gaming on consoles this gen; don't take that away from the series.
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
They aren't dumbing the game down the devs said a few months they are just considering a difficulty slider
Weltall Zero
Member
Also amazing games. Terrible games have been made with every word in the dictionary in mind. Accesibility in itself is not a bad word or incompatible with challenge.
Risk Breaker
Member
Mentioning TES? What the fuck is this shit, get that out of my Souls -_-
Man that thread was long
Risk Breaker
Member
Yes.
The Xtortionist
Member
Still not getting how accessibility equates to challenge. An accessible (clear, intuitive) set of play mechanics doesn't automatically mean that the scenarios will be easy.
Game is so succesful because doesn't pander to casual crowd and gives hardcore players challenge, sense of exploration, mysterious story and world which nothing is written straighforward also introducing multiplayer aspect that are not in-face with matchmaking but introduced in immersive manner to give hardcore players better immersion with world. And thanks to that and word of mouth game is growing form day to day with big crowd of people going wild over next sequel.
What is the answer for sequel ? More straightforward story, skyrim inspiration, broader audience support.
Seriously i want DS2 to be fucking amazing but right now i feel like i am expecting Diablo 3 again.
I'm feeling scamco has something to do with it.
Hey i have news for you i had learned from listening news for decade. If someone tells you that they want broader audience, more accessibility i mean one thing they want casual crowd.
And you know what that mean.
What is the answer for sequel ? More straightforward story, skyrim inspiration, broader audience support.
Seriously i want DS2 to be fucking amazing but right now i feel like i am expecting Diablo 3 again.
I'm feeling scamco has something to do with it.
Hey i have news for you i had learned from listening news for decade. If someone tells you that they want broader audience, more accessibility i mean one thing they want casual crowd.
And you know what that mean.
Man the graphics took a massive hit before release.
That itself would break the balance of the game,the entire franchise has been built on the elements of trial and error and exploring the world and story yourself.
Sure and balance will be ruined then. And how to balance multiplayer ? easy normal button before multiplayer match ? That would be immersive.
Nah, From uses cinematic filters in their gameplay trailers to make it look all spicy. They did this with Demon's Souls.
XANDER CAGE
Member
Right, as if Demon and Dark Souls didn't have any menus there to break this nebulous immersion.
The Xtortionist
Member
The stipulation to summoning is that you have to stay human it's not possible everywhere.
S.Empiricus
Member
Is it just me or is the screenshot in the edge article in-game? It doesn't look Cg like the trailer.
Actually, summoning is well balanced by the fact that you can get invaded if you are human.
"Easy mode" is simply overleveling.
Funchameleon
Banned
It's just not a fucking "Souls" game unless you have to have a wiki on hand just to understand key mechanics and the game is so trial and error that players everywhere build cognitive biases so powerful they will be outspoken and hostile about dissent towards the game to the point of absurdity (ie defending the PC port of "Dark Souls")
That's what I thought too.
Confidence Man
Member
There goes the series.
Fried Food
Banned
when will game marketers learn that if you put "accessible" in a pr statement, you've put yourself in an uphill battle.
Up there you were kings and we trusted you with all things. Now we are doubting whether or not your return is worth anticipating.
DS2 developers and pr must now spend the rest of their days clarifiying and promising things will be ok.
Up there you were kings and we trusted you with all things. Now we are doubting whether or not your return is worth anticipating.
DS2 developers and pr must now spend the rest of their days clarifiying and promising things will be ok.
The Xtortionist
Member
I've found the risk-reward is biased more toward summoning. An invader versus three humans is a tough fight. Very rarely I see two invaders at a time. Three players quickly rushing to the boss gate also makes it tough for invaders to do anything. Not that invaders won't ever win, but I'd place my bets on the human team. If anything goes wrong, the host can just pop another humanity (not like it's rare) and try it again. It's very unlikely to get screwed by invaders multiple times in a row.
Backstabs are also easy mode for a decent chunk of the game, at least until Anor Londo.
I've always felt like the invader's role isn't necessarily to "win". Really, it's a way of enhancing another player's world by creating a potentially unpredictable obstacle for them.
If the invader ends up taking out a phantom or two, or causes the host to exhaust a good chunk of their healing items, then they've done a good job.
cj_iwakura
Member
I have a bad feeling about the change of directors. Miyazaki drove both Souls games to greatness.
njean777
Member
It is because we know what happens when that word is used, look at dragon age 2 and mass effect for prior examples.
I dont trust anyone who mentions Skyrim as something to strive for.
RockTurtle
Member
Namco HAS to be reading everyone's reaction right?
they are going to put out a PR statement reassuring us right?
they are going to put out a PR statement reassuring us right?
And then still fuck up the series? Yeah probably. Gamers are easily manipulated with PR until the company does it too much that they all go cynical, like with Bioware.
Artists want people to enjoy their content. These games sometimes have an unfortunate reputation that they're just out to destroy you unfairly, which isn't true for those that understand the mechanics or are willing to learn.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Last night when I saw the sentence "...to bring new gamers to the series..." in the Dark Souls II press release I figured this would happen. The games probably aren't super profitable, maybe just a little, so they're making them more accessible.
Now with that said, I'm one of the filthy casuals who didn't play the series yet due to its reputation so maybe it will work.
Now with that said, I'm one of the filthy casuals who didn't play the series yet due to its reputation so maybe it will work.
Technosteve
Banned
I don't want them to stream line the game, I like the way it is. It lets me feel like its the nes SNES era of gaming where I go buy an rpg with the guide book and sit planning out where I am going to go and what I want to do with my guide book.
Also the YouTube community for dark souls is amazing, I learn so much from watching more experienced players tackle the fights and learning more about the amazing lore of the world.
Also the YouTube community for dark souls is amazing, I learn so much from watching more experienced players tackle the fights and learning more about the amazing lore of the world.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
And none of them notice the vast heaps of developer corpses who sacrificed to accessibilty as if was some obvious guarentee. Forget the creative angle, from a business perspective, it's been proven to be superstitious horseshit, nothing more.