I think Tekken did that
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I think Tekken did that
"God's Beard!"
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It adds delay to your offline play so your timing doesn't change in lag when you play online.
Zombegoast
Member
Capcom needs to ditch the play doh hair and learn from Guilty Gear
Ima rent IJ2 to play the story mode and probably buy it when it's cheap game of year edition sale to have in my FG collection next year.
I'll never pay full price for those NRS animations
I'm hoping it goes on PlayStation Plus after a year like the first game.
Karsticles
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Capcom should hire ASW to make a new Darkstalkers game.
UcchedavÄda
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The graphics in recent NRS games are great (though a bit too muted for my taste), but the animations are bad looking. The graphics in SFV are kinda bad in a lot of cases, even for the cartoony aesthetic of the game, but the animations are top notch.
The game should probably have been under full-time development for at least half a year more, but I guess Capcom (and/or Sony) wanted it out for that years CPT. It was crazy how bare-bones the initial version was.
Karsticles
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The animations are top notch, but I won't be able to say that if that Cammy air throw animation makes it in - lol.Ucchedavāda;236802189 said:
It's still bare-bones, I'd say.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Character stories, offline 1v1 (no vs CPU at that point), ranked and casual (best of 1 matches), 2 player lobbies, training mode, and a very limited CFN. I think that was it.
EDIT: And survival mode.
Agreed, on both points.
Would purchase at a reasonable price.
I mean, out of hundreds of great animations one crappy one isn't too bad. If she only spun once to her left/right that would have been fine lol.
We've come along way since release but I think arcade, extra battle mode (?) and a possible second story will make it better for casuals. They should make the gameplay, netcode and QoL stuff priority for now though.
Hmm not so sure. ASW are good at ASW games so I'm not too enthused by this idea as I feel it would lose the old school touch from Capcom staff that worked on the original game.
IrrelevantAlex
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Do we have Ed's frame data anywhere yet?
Karsticles
Member
Nah, this is a fundamental misunderstanding about how casuals work. Above all else, casuals buy for hype, to fulfill an impulse, and to be part of something others are doing. They do not care about feature sets at all, that's just their rationalization and ability to bandwagon with the mainstream criticism of the game. The real problems with SFV are that:
1) It missed the boat - release hype is the #1 source of a game's sales, and SFV had nothing hyping it up pre-release.
2) Watching the game isn't exciting enough to move people on impulse buys.
3) It's not popular among casuals (catch-22!).
Story mode? You can look that up on YouTube and save yourself $40.
New modes? Eh, maybe buy it used for $10 and try them out on a weekend.
The only chance SFV has to recover financially - and I think it's slim - is to repackage it like it's a relaunch. Even then, it'll never be what SFIV was. The bungled launch is too much.
Also, IIRC ASW is partially made up of the old-school team that worked on Darkstalkers. That's why the designs are so good, and why the gameplay is so similar in feel and flow. Capcom got rid of some of the Darkstalkers team when the series didn't take off, and they created ASW and thus Guilty Gear. Someone with better industry knowledge could probably give a more accurate portrayal, but that's the story I've always been told.
Respectfully disagree. ASW hasn't lost any of the magic going from 2d to 3d and that old school capcom touch died in 09. Look at Dizzy. The current sfv dev team couldn't produce that level of detail and deforming/morphing animations if they had ten years to do it.
TheSpoiler
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ASW nor Capcom is going to make a Darkstalkers game like in the olden days because it was a product of its time. That's why GG's designs look the way they do now compared to what was "cool" back then.
well they already tried that
Easy to thier own but I do enjoy watching and playing SFV, even moreso than SFIV. Personally, I don't care if they don't pander to casuals, but if they keep on improving the quality of the game I'm good.
Wow! I didn't know ASW was made up of Darkstalkers crew, is there any link to this for proof? Either way I'm pretty sure something would be lost as the original developers are not working on it. Would be open to them trying though.
The 360/ps3 version was great for the two weeks that people were playing. sigh.
Lol yeah. But it came out in 2013 on ps3/360 and digital only in the west
To be fair, releasing a 12 year old arcade game to 'gauge interest' ie if you don't buy 3 million copies of this we won't make a real sequel is kind of bullshit.
direct_quote
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Well it was that and SFxT tanking too.
TheSpoiler
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They shouldn't have even done it tbh. DS has no appeal outside Japan. It's a niche fighting game, and it's always been that way. The mechanics themselves are strict compared to SFV, and it's overall a harder game to get into.
It's fun still, but it's definitely not a game I'd risk dumping money on while staying true to what it is without a huge pot of cash I could waste.
Man I haven't played since December but I just tried the beta and I think I love Ed
Fuck maybe I should start playing again
Is the online scene desolate these days? Can a shitty Silver player like me still get matches or is it just Golds and Plats? The thing I hate about fighters is that the communities always dry up after a year so the less experienced players usually just give up
Fuck maybe I should start playing again
Is the online scene desolate these days? Can a shitty Silver player like me still get matches or is it just Golds and Plats? The thing I hate about fighters is that the communities always dry up after a year so the less experienced players usually just give up
It has the largest and consistent pool of players online in a fighting game at the moment so it's not doing too bad. It's the only one that has crossplay with PC too so that's a bonus in keeping the community active. This new CFN (the Beta of which you are playing) will hopefully improve the match-making and performance of online too.
They absolutely should have released a Vsav port with netplay. What they shouldn't have done was frame it as a litmus test. Sorry if the fanbase won't absolve you of the risk of a new game.
There are still plenty of people in every rank.
Omnistalgic
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Wow rog completely bodied me...what do you do against him now? Just RTSD?
I'd better see you in the inevitable GAF group once Gundam Versus hits.
I feel like Gundam is the only game I can spend literal years in and still have fun, salt, joy, everything notwithstanding.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I like Ed. He is a lot of fun. Interestingly, I think his easy inputs will actually help me not press buttons/will make me more disciplined. So yeah, I will have him join my blond duo of Karin and Kolin as my mains.
Brian_FETO
Banned
I'm bronze 4 life and I get tons of matches. Rookies, Super/Ultra Bronze, etc
I think the new CFN will also get more people giving it a second chance if they fell off/burned out
TheSpoiler
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I don't disagree with that. Despite how companies operate on that basis (which sadly they do), you never vocalize it or hold the game up for ransom. On the flipside, either way, the results would have been the same - DS Res wouldn't have made target sales and DS still is too niche in the grand scheme of things.
Some of the people at my locals who use Ken like to build meter all round and let loose at the end, ensuring he doesn't get to activate his v-trigger. The other method is pressuring him so much that he is forced to use his reversal in order to get you off him.
Interrupting his rekka sequence will keep you from taking unnecessary damage when he goes for the reset. So yeah, RTSD, bully him on wake up but watch out for TAP (lol).
Oh you fucking will. I'm planning on spending a lot of time supporting that game, and obviously playing it. Gundam is the sort of game you can play for ages and feel all those feelings in one match at the same time lol
Omnistalgic
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Gotcha, thanks man...Gotta practice against top tier. Rog, Laura, Cammy really hard to defend against...
TheSpoiler
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The way I do it is I'll play a match and see exactly where things went wrong. If it's a combo that caught me I'll try and learn how to defend against it. If I'm not able to AA a move I work on it. And so on!
Megawarrior
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Yeah after this beta, I'm definitely back in. I'll be juggling this and tekken when I get bored of the big single player games.
Was gonna drop this when tekken came out but Ed changed my mind
Good character.
Now buff him
Better crush combos
KK special with a EX version(that becomes normal part of PP ex version in sky if you decide all with one meter)
Command grab
Overhead
special cancelable st.MP
Specials with no whiffing due to slightly long distance
Cancel vskill at will
etc
etc
;_;
I really dont agree with this as someone that was mainly an FPS player before moving to FG's. Every competitive genre is pretty much just as difficult. It seems like Aris is comparing playing FG's competitively to playing SP games at your leisure. (Which makes sense considering he mentions Dark Souls and Resident Evil as examples to prove his point)
People think they want to play Vampire Savior until Sasquatch happens.
Yep. If you couldn't do that with SF, it sure as hell wasn't happening with Darkstalkers. It was also based on the bare-bones arcade version instead of the later home versions that had more characters and content too. Capcom didn't even put the best possible foot forward with the game.
killu4what
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Is the beta over. I just came back from out of town. Can't sign in
It's based on the Arcade version because the home console ports aren't arcade perfect gameplay-wise.
Also fuck Donovan.
ColonialHawk
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yes it is over
SolarPowered
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No, screw this nonsense about command grabs on non grappler characters. Getting tired of being out-grappled by characters that aren't even grapplers to begin with. We don't need another Necalli.
Karsticles
Member
It was destined to happen with ComboFiend involved.
Lol, seriously. People just want the characters they like to have everything without really thinking.
Besides, Ed's v-skill is already kind of like a grab.