It's his best movie though.
Sicario is by far his worst, but I haven't seen Polytechnique and Maelström, so they could be worse I guess.
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'Blade Runner 2049' trailer #4
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Sicario is by far his worst, but I haven't seen Polytechnique and Maelström, so they could be worse I guess.
Inceptional
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I highly disagree. Sicario is right up there with Silence of the Lambs and Seven as one of the best thrillers of all-time. As much as I like Prisoners, it's definitely his weakest film imo.
Bobby Roberts
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edit: Holy shit, completely misunderstood you Zak. My apologies. Goddamn.
Johnny Cage In The Shower
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People who love Arrival and think Enemy sucks... I don't get these people.
Seeing Sicario compared (especially) with Se7en hurts. For me Se7en is like the prototype of a modern thriller and is as such definitely in my Top10. Everything about this masterpiece just bursts with creativity - unlike Sicario, which offers a dragged out storyline with generic characters and a boring "fighting illegal activities with illegal methods" theme. It was utterly boring for me - not exaggerating btw - and I was at the verge of leaving the theater, but at least the second half was better.
PS: I'd name Prisoners right after Sicario for his weakest movies.
counterpoint to all you have faith in Villeneuve bros
why?
he makes pretty decent films, that look good, well written and sound good but ultimately feel hollow and boring to me and I never will bother to re-watch...
Ridley totally fluked into making this and Alien as all time classics but their weirdness and greatness are totally products of their time.....I don't buy the argument because DV "understands" what made the film better than Ridley will result in a great or even average film. This will look nice, get decent to average reviews but ultimately be forgettable. I hope I'm wrong though....
why?
he makes pretty decent films, that look good, well written and sound good but ultimately feel hollow and boring to me and I never will bother to re-watch...
Ridley totally fluked into making this and Alien as all time classics but their weirdness and greatness are totally products of their time.....I don't buy the argument because DV "understands" what made the film better than Ridley will result in a great or even average film. This will look nice, get decent to average reviews but ultimately be forgettable. I hope I'm wrong though....
Outside of Suicide Squad, Jared Leto is a pretty solid actor. He's a much better actor than he is a musician.
SuperStiltzkin
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Sicario and Arrival aren't forgettable nor are they hollow and they both received huge critical acclaim. So.. if you think he's just an okay director, that's your beef and there's no meeting a middle ground or convincing you since most critics seem to think he's a great director. I mean, I'm not usually the type to point to rotten tomatoes and go "you're wrong," but predicting that this film will get decent to average reviews and then be forgotten because he has a history of receiving middling reviews seems like a disingenuous premise. If you wanna say he's overrated then that's fine and you're entitled to that. But to say that his films receive decent to average reviews is false. His english language output has been above average.
Personally I'm excited to watch a big budget Villeneuve-directed 2.5 hour cyberpunk film.
I totally understand you're argument and I get people who like Villeneueve films even if I find him pretty boring.....
but again...everything about blade runner is just such a bizarre and unique film that I just think its a fools game to try and a make sequel to it...
Lifejumper
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Watch this movie be better than the original.
He's not even bad in Suicide Squad, it's just a bad take on The Joker and that's David Ayer's fault. Jared Leto was great in that short that got released the other day, so I have no doubt he will be able to do the same performance in the movie.
SuperStiltzkin
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I have friends who have found Blade Runner boring and came out of it even hating it because they had their expectations set so high from its cult status. At the end of the day I guess they're just two different brands of boring. You could like Ridley's brand of boring more than Villeneuve's brand of boring.
Its my favorite film of all time and some of best friends fuckin hate it...but Villeneuves take being boring is not what I'm worried about at all tbh...
AGAIN I want this film to be great and I want to love y'all just understand us "haters" have very real concerns!!!
eot
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Not a chance in hell of that
Melon Husk
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The interiors are really plain compared to Ridley's movies. I mean look at this, it's like a painting:
Here's a modern apartment with a futuristic gadget on the wall:
Maybe more smoke would help /s (because the exteriors have it and they look good)
Alter_Fridge
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Agree with these two
Also world needs less dull orange and grey and needs more Neon. Is this one set on Mars?
It looks like a low budget (bad) fan made sequel to me so far
Re-watching the 1st seems a way better option than having to sit through this
Alter_Fridge
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This is obviously the 'action' trailer, whereas the previous ones were 'oooo mysteries'. How some of you are parsing that into 'OMFG Beyrunner2049 amirite?!?' I don't know.
Sicario (which I only saw recently thanks to Gaf) immediately became one of my favourite movies, and I've seen enough of Villeneuve's movies to be confident he'll make a better film than the original...whether it'll be as loved I don't know.
That love in and of itself is a problem for the original. It's been my favourite movie for 3 decades, but its shift from cult classic to critical darling has put way too much weight on it, so I'm not surprised a lot of people coming to it now are disappointed that it very much isn't the Greatest Movie Of All Time.
As for the clean aesthetic...first off it's very much Villeneuve's aesthetic. He's got a different visual style to Scott, and while it's very different to the original I'm glad it isn't Ridleys Light Shafts Through Smoke & Fan Blades Mk2. I'd also argue that interior design trends change over time, so the move from opulent/decadent to a more spartan aesthetic in the 30 years separating the two stories makes sense, especially in light of the events detailed in the timeline & 2036 shorts.
Poster looks like ass tho.
Sicario (which I only saw recently thanks to Gaf) immediately became one of my favourite movies, and I've seen enough of Villeneuve's movies to be confident he'll make a better film than the original...whether it'll be as loved I don't know.
That love in and of itself is a problem for the original. It's been my favourite movie for 3 decades, but its shift from cult classic to critical darling has put way too much weight on it, so I'm not surprised a lot of people coming to it now are disappointed that it very much isn't the Greatest Movie Of All Time.
As for the clean aesthetic...first off it's very much Villeneuve's aesthetic. He's got a different visual style to Scott, and while it's very different to the original I'm glad it isn't Ridleys Light Shafts Through Smoke & Fan Blades Mk2. I'd also argue that interior design trends change over time, so the move from opulent/decadent to a more spartan aesthetic in the 30 years separating the two stories makes sense, especially in light of the events detailed in the timeline & 2036 shorts.
Poster looks like ass tho.
The point is that trailers are not indicative of the final movie. I would rather trust Villes proven history over a marketing item that's been known to be deceptive time and time again.
Melon Husk
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Fortunately a solid story is why I'm looking forward to this one. Still don't think Villeneuve will disappoint us.
Oveja Negra
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This is so true.
Blade Runner is my fav movie ever, and I know it's almost impossible to get a new movie able to match that level of perfection, but still is possible to make something pretty good, and so far, I just can't see it in all these trailers.
Oveja Negra
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I agree, Arrival is by far the "worst" Villeneuve movie. Note the " " implies an hyperbolic statement, but you get the idea: Arrival was just an ok movie (specially if you read the book).
EDIT: damn, double post. Sorry.
There are too many LTTP threads of Blade Runner. Buy anywho I finally have seen the 1982 film (final cut) and greatly enjoyed it. A visually stunning and enthralling movie. No wonder it's been revered for such a long time.
I mostly saw Blade Runner to watch this movie when it comes out. I love the director and enjoyed all of his previous films. This looks like a solid follow-up of the 1982 movie but obviously different enough.
I'm mostly curious on the tone, action and story telling 2049 will have. I just hope it's similar enough to the original movie in the 'important' ways.
I mostly saw Blade Runner to watch this movie when it comes out. I love the director and enjoyed all of his previous films. This looks like a solid follow-up of the 1982 movie but obviously different enough.
I'm mostly curious on the tone, action and story telling 2049 will have. I just hope it's similar enough to the original movie in the 'important' ways.
The interiors are really plain compared to Ridley's movies. I mean look at this, it's like a painting:
Here's a modern apartment with a futuristic gadget on the wall:
Maybe more smoke would help /s (because the exteriors have it and they look good)
Ridley was on fire with BR.
Villeneuve isn't going out to copy Blade Runner so it definitely looks a little off, it's not bad, just neat and clean, if the story is bad then pity but I don't think the visuals will break it. Need to take in the film as a whole and decide.
I know it's fun to use hyperbole, but mediocre is absurd imo.
Lackluster?
I mean, I can see this looking disappointing to you if it doesn't fit the original and you want that so yeh, lacklustre is better. I'mm probably being needlessly pedantic here though...
Personally I think it looks great from the trailer, but it's a trailer...
I love the gothic look of the original, but I'm open to something a different.
Alter_Fridge
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San Francisco Rush 2049 > Blade Runner 2049
The problem was that it wasn't different. It was the same generic sound effects laid over the original soundtrack, the same generic editing, the same schlocky action; the same hallmarks of mediocrity that have permeated so many hollywood reboots.
Maybe I'm being too doom and gloom about a trailer, but fuck if this trailer isn't a completely depressing representation of the movie, however it ends up.
Well it doesn't look good. So far the apparent hype for this movie is getting by on only two things: the IP and Villeneuve's track record.
I definitely see history repeating with this franchise.
And how good the trailers have been.
Well obviously I disagree with that.
FreshCakes
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Didn't see this LA Times article posted anywhere, but it talks about some of Villeneuve's shots for the film.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-0903-sneaks-blade-runner-gallery-20170903-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-0903-sneaks-blade-runner-gallery-20170903-story.html
Flick is 163 minutes long (2 hr. 43 min.)
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2049-run-time-long/
Villeneuve confirmed at comic-con that the film was running at about two and a half hours, so it looks like that was without credits.
http://www.slashfilm.com/blade-runner-2049-run-time-long/
Villeneuve confirmed at comic-con that the film was running at about two and a half hours, so it looks like that was without credits.
Run time has me very intrigued. Trailers have steadily shifted to trying to make it look like a more typical effects blockbuster but I trust it's not that (cautiously anyway).
I just hope they looked back to the actual source material and PKD in general and didn't just focus on taking first film forward as that would feel like a loss for me as I'm hoping they inject more PKD thematically into the film.
Whatever I'll have to judge it for myself in the cinema.
I just hope they looked back to the actual source material and PKD in general and didn't just focus on taking first film forward as that would feel like a loss for me as I'm hoping they inject more PKD thematically into the film.
Whatever I'll have to judge it for myself in the cinema.
FreshCakes
Banned
In an NYT feature, Denis Villeneuve says he considers Blade Runner 2049 the best film he's made.
Also covered in the interview is the Ridley Scott and Harrison Ford feud and the replicant debate.
Also covered in the interview is the Ridley Scott and Harrison Ford feud and the replicant debate.
Lol, Scott sounds like such a petty asshole.
Stiler
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I love Blade Runner, just waiting on the new 4k blu ray to get here so I can watch it.
I am hesitant about the movie but I am going to see it with an open mind.
The trailer so far haven't really filled me with a sense of "can't wait to see it" because something about them just seems to miss the "Blade Runner" atmosphere to me. A lot of scenes look so artificially lighted and the whole teal/orange color grading annoys me to no end in modern movies which this movie seems to have a fair share of.
I am hesitant about the movie but I am going to see it with an open mind.
The trailer so far haven't really filled me with a sense of "can't wait to see it" because something about them just seems to miss the "Blade Runner" atmosphere to me. A lot of scenes look so artificially lighted and the whole teal/orange color grading annoys me to no end in modern movies which this movie seems to have a fair share of.
JustSomeone
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Looks like Harrison Ford is gonna ruin the last iconic 80;s role he has left as well