There are other baskets such as DQ11, KH3 and Deus Ex for SE. They are not the company they once was that relied solely on FF.
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FF7 Remake looking at FFXIII saga as model for release, possible plot changes
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There are other baskets such as DQ11, KH3 and Deus Ex for SE. They are not the company they once was that relied solely on FF.
Still jonesing for a decent budget console Square turn based rpg, but just the potential of a high quality Bizarro Sephiroth battle...
Actually I also hope that the money from VIIR and XV allow to make more original stuff like Nier and not just contstant franchise titles for consoles.
Actually I also hope that the money from VIIR and XV allow to make more original stuff like Nier and not just contstant franchise titles for consoles.
I think right as XV launches and is out for a bit you'll see them start focusing more on KH 3. That has to be further along in dev time at this point.
There's no backpedaling. This is what they always meant.
Though like BocoDragon said, it is episodic, in the Star Wars sense.
it wasnt a negative statement im just saying i like this much more than a telltale episodic model.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Backpedalling?
More like Square not realizing that "episodic" had come to mean something weird in the western press.
How come George Lucas could announce Episode I without people thinking its a 20 minute bite sized chunk of a whole movie?
It's actually weird that "episodic" acquired such bizzare connotations in the gaming industry lately.
Which was never ever happening.
The story changed so dramatically from Gooch's original pitch it's barely recognizable.
Why should he have any input on this? Even more so over Nojima?
ArkhamFantasy
Member
The word episodic never came from Square.
jimmypython
Member
what's the earliest time frame for the first one?
late 2017?
late 2017?
"Parts" probably doesn't translate as well as episodic does.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
So what you're saying is that you want the story to be exactly the same with no surprises? That sounds a lot closer to "dumb."
It also seems unlikely given how they've already said they're changing the Honey Bee Inn (and probably mansion) which was pretty significant to the intro of the game, weird or not
A memo that didn't exist... The specific multi-part format was not specified and it was open for interpretation after Hitman from the same publisher.
http://gematsu.com/2015/12/final-fantasy-vii-remake-details-reason-multi-part-release-cyberconnect2-collaboration-more
In short, you're wrong, we didn't know, insiders aside obviously.
http://na.square-enix.com/us/blog/final-fantasy-vii-remake-psx-2015-message-yoshinori-kitase
They're not backpedaling, they have always said they had to split the game into multiple games because of how huge it is and because they're also planning to add things.
But the plan was not to turn this into a Tell Tale season
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
$180 to get the complete FF7 remake experience. That's assuming there's no DLC.
Canadians looking at $240. If it turns out well I can say it was well worth it. Releasing it as a trilogy also allows them to take more feedback and input in between. Hoping for the best.
Canadians looking at $240. If it turns out well I can say it was well worth it. Releasing it as a trilogy also allows them to take more feedback and input in between. Hoping for the best.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Even if they had, I think it's wrong to let that word get hijacked by assumptions of being in smaller bite-sized pieces.
Stories have been broken up into episodes for a long time. It shouldn't imply anything about length, pricing, release strategy, etc.
Undead Fantasy
Member
I really hope there is no story DLC at all. It would be an insult if I'm honest.
Have you seen Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy XIII, or any of the Final Fantasy VII spin offs?
Night Angel
Member
Looking forward to it.
encephalon
Member
It only makes sense to split the game in half (disc 1/discs 2 and 3) because of story flow and game content, but I guess this means it'll be 3.
Midgar is a tiny, tiny part of the game and expanding it to a full title will require them to scale down the rest of it.
Midgar is a tiny, tiny part of the game and expanding it to a full title will require them to scale down the rest of it.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Come on, people are just correcting you. From the beginning, they've made it clear that it never was the Telltale model. People just read the word "episodic" and jumped to conclusions.
GregLombardi
Member
I will let them do whatever they want but reserve the right to hate it, and I will really really really hope that I don't.
I am not happy with the episodes, but remember why the LOTR trilogy was so good Square Enix -- all films were made at the same time, even if their releases were staggered.
Do not leave FF7 remake unfinished, or allow it to destroy itself.
I am not happy with the episodes, but remember why the LOTR trilogy was so good Square Enix -- all films were made at the same time, even if their releases were staggered.
Do not leave FF7 remake unfinished, or allow it to destroy itself.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
making yuffie and vincent required to improve later cutscenes would be good changes. Im sure they will just do something fucking stupid though
the original took 60 on a first playthrough
I am okay with them having plot changes in terms of new content and some minor stuff here and there.
I am not okay if they end up retconning their "Compilation of FFVII". Even though I didn't play Crisis Core or Before Crisis, I think it's only fair to the fans if any changes don't contradict the extended story.
Obviously this means character deaths have to stay.
I am not okay if they end up retconning their "Compilation of FFVII". Even though I didn't play Crisis Core or Before Crisis, I think it's only fair to the fans if any changes don't contradict the extended story.
Obviously this means character deaths have to stay.
I wasn't criticising you, just clarifying that they spoke of multiple releases from the beginning.
Except you quote the key phrase right here: "The idea that a remake of Final Fantasy VII would not fit into a single release was there from the very beginning."
"not fit into a single release." Then someone used the word episodic and everyone lost their shit. Something like Hitman on the other hand is a single release. Same format as SF5.
Single release vs. multiple releases.
So no, I'm not.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Genesis is going to be in this folks.
WrenchNinja
Member
Crying right now
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Of course it'd be an insult. They are going to use Uematsu's tunes. Remastered versions.
Maybe a few new tracks sprinkled about.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Yes, you are. "Not fit into a single release" was open to interpretation, as you could argue episodic games are multiple releases. I wasn't sure it was episodic, I was hoping it was just multiple games, but I'm happy that it is indeed multiple games. It really was open to interpretation and that's why it was just clarified...
Uematsu is always on good term with SE, so no need to worry about the scores.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Final Fantasy 7 is a good game, with good gameplay and a good plot.
This remake is going to have heavy changes to the combat and plot. Hrrrrm.
This remake is going to have heavy changes to the combat and plot. Hrrrrm.
TheGreatDirector
Banned
I'm wondering if by changes it could mean more characters dying than just the ones who did in the original. Characters like
[/SPOILER].
Rufus and Don Corneo's fates are left up to the player's imagination although are heavily implied dead unless you see or read future titles in the compilation
bitbydeath
Member
That title though.
Should have said just like the original but full size games on each disc and sold separately.
Should have said just like the original but full size games on each disc and sold separately.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Plot changes had better be just to clarify unclear elements of the original plot.
If they go completely off the rails from the original game's story, oh boy.
If they go completely off the rails from the original game's story, oh boy.
KZXcellent
Member
That title though.
Should have said just like the original but full size games on each disc and sold separately.
Square said something to that effect a few months ago but people thought it was too vague.
Well.. The original game was 3 discs. So a trilogy isn't really out of the question.
I don't mind this as long as Square:
Makes sure each game story lasts between 40-50 hours (not including mini games)
The story on itself is a story arc that closes at the end, with the overall story arc spanning 3 games.
Includes Mini Games for all 3 titles (Card game? Golden Saucer? Snowboarding? Motorcycle driving. All the works.)
My guess on how the game will provide best pacing:
Part 1 - Everything leading up to Shinra Building Break in/Break Out with Motorcycle at the end being unlocked. (Golden Saucer already there.)
Part 2 - Everything leading up to Aerith's Death and then having to play the game a little after focusing on the a couple of the story arcs afterwards/dealing with the loss of Aerith with a closure of acceptance/revenge on Sephiroth (Oh and snowboarding being added.)
Part 3 - Everything leading up to finale with Hojo and Defeating Sephiroth. With all that last minute end game content, mini games, and whatever else they decide to add as well.
I don't mind this as long as Square:
Makes sure each game story lasts between 40-50 hours (not including mini games)
The story on itself is a story arc that closes at the end, with the overall story arc spanning 3 games.
Includes Mini Games for all 3 titles (Card game? Golden Saucer? Snowboarding? Motorcycle driving. All the works.)
My guess on how the game will provide best pacing:
Part 1 - Everything leading up to Shinra Building Break in/Break Out with Motorcycle at the end being unlocked. (Golden Saucer already there.)
Part 2 - Everything leading up to Aerith's Death and then having to play the game a little after focusing on the a couple of the story arcs afterwards/dealing with the loss of Aerith with a closure of acceptance/revenge on Sephiroth (Oh and snowboarding being added.)
Part 3 - Everything leading up to finale with Hojo and Defeating Sephiroth. With all that last minute end game content, mini games, and whatever else they decide to add as well.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
I tell you what, they better keep Don Corneo and The Honey Bee Inn. Those segments stand out among the FF legacy.