Yes I'm on a 55 inch plasma TV and the blacks are crushed to hell on KI and Dead Rising 3. I've spent hours re-calibrating trying to offset how it looks on X1. Mind you my original calibration looked perfect on PS4, Wii U, PS3, 360 etc. It's only X1 where it looks this bad. Been really frustrating.
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xbox one 1080p captures with and without filter (thanks Gizmowned)
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Yes I'm on a 55 inch plasma TV and the blacks are crushed to hell on KI and Dead Rising 3. I've spent hours re-calibrating trying to offset how it looks on X1. Mind you my original calibration looked perfect on PS4, Wii U, PS3, 360 etc. It's only X1 where it looks this bad. Been really frustrating.
ChoklitCow
Member
I've always wondered if they settled on the crushed/oversaturated look off of surveying and random sampling. Someone mentioned earlier in the thread where people honestly go on about the vivid colors and shadows.
Beauty in the eye of the beholder and they focus on that demographic?
not_so_special
Banned
it looks bad,i dont understand how people used this game as a showcase of the xbox one graphics on the tech threads
i think it looks pretty great in motion. Not a revelation, but it isn't an awful looking fighting game.
Senor Kami
Banned
All the ones on the left look better imo. If turning up the brightness on my TV fixes the darkness issues, I'd rather play like that than the super jaggy version that's brighter.
It won't. With crushed blacks, turning up the brightness will just wash the image out.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I thought KI looked better than that to be honest. Probably looks good in motion.
The up scaler in this machine is utter shit. I made the original post bringing up the issue, its sharpens the picture to within an inch of its life, i can only assume this is ms weapon to combat the ps4 having the better gpu. Infact its making games look worse than they are, need to fix this shit ms.
TheRealTalker
Banned
dang the darkness
the non upscaled version look way better even with the aliasing
the non upscaled version look way better even with the aliasing
Shogun1337
Junior Member
Yeah looks pretty horrifying
`fix the full range bug and turn off the contrast filter in their scaler.
Nicktendo86
Member
Honestly not seeing what is supposed to be so impressive :/
That detail is gone. The blacks are crushed.
My only question through all of this is why is there even need for this upscaler? Why doesn't the xbox one just display games in their native resolutions? I'm sure native 720p looks way better than upscaling it with a weird sharpening effect with crushed blacks and or color distortion. Just play games in native resolution please.
UntoldDreams
Member
Why did MS do this?
My guess is that their focus testing show that Inaccurate overly saturated colors fool people into thinking the image is better.
So they went ahead and implemented:
PLAN A - Fool people with awesome color crushing power!
My guess is that their focus testing show that Inaccurate overly saturated colors fool people into thinking the image is better.
So they went ahead and implemented:
PLAN A - Fool people with awesome color crushing power!
My theory is that Microsoft is using some kind of FXAA injector, similar to SweetFX.
I actually think it looks worse. I saw it at a friends house, and being blown up on a 50"+ TV only makes the flaws even more obvious. It's definitely not a looker by any means.
HoodWinked
Member
the whole basis of this statement makes no sense, you're now saying its not accurate for people to think that this looks better in their eyes. NO THEY MUST BE FOOLED!
The effect is not confined to sharpen there, there's also bloom effect in those crushed captures, so the post process effects may well be provided by the OS (hence the glitches when switching between dash and the game), and are probably optional. The post process effects seem to not only be scaling, but also wide area sharpen / contrast / bloom.
HoodWinked
Member
i think people are arguing that the sharpening is before the filter. since you can see sharpening halos in the 'clean' images.
AstroNut325
Member
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
I agree. I'd even go as far as to say it's impressive and I hate PPAA.
Dat AA
Anti-Anisotropic filtering 
Oh, that makes sense. The sharpening halos are indeed in those "clean" images, I thought the "clean" ones were meant to look like those without the sharpening so didn't pay attention.
Then the lack of bloom or "color correction" may well be because of different game states having different amount of access to GPU resources based on what you are doing, as per the leaked dev documents.
Not sure what the point of this post is, since it makes no effort to understand the thread or the discussion going on in it.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Yeah you can't create detail out of thin air
Except it's not washed out at all, the monitor or screen you're viewing it on just lacks the black depth to make it pop. View the same screen on a Panasonic Plasma, or Kuro or something and come back and say it's washed out. It's not. It's how the image is meant to look, it's the 360/Xbox One that crush blacks for extra flair but lose shadow detail in doing so.
Sword Of Doom
Member
I agree. I'd even go as far as to say it's impressive and I hate PPAA.
Like Ryse, Forza has beautifully dense models surrounded by so so environments. That seems to be XB1's secret sauce. The illusion of a good looking game
It's a niche enthusiasts discussion over a graphics observation. I read the thread and I don't see what's constructive about it or what's to be gained from it, good or bad.
If people are trying to figure out how to counter the crushed blacks then that effort has been lost in this thread.
Kocolino67
Member
I'm speechless how the sharpening filter could pass quality control - or whatever the correct department for this kind of thing is.
So far the best example how the filter affects the final frame, better than the pictures from the Verge. and nice to see that it's apparently easy to circumvent the sharpening filter option, hence updates can fix the problem.
So far the best example how the filter affects the final frame, better than the pictures from the Verge. and nice to see that it's apparently easy to circumvent the sharpening filter option, hence updates can fix the problem.
Revengineer
Unconfirmed Member
Pretty goddamn spot-on.
eso76
Member
Tekken Tag Tournament on PS2 was 1080p ??
I didn't have a hdtv back then, so i never knew : ((
/sarcasm
plagiarize
Banned
is this another thread where people just go on about preferring crushed blacks, while completely ignoring that they can just lower the brightness slider on their TV to crush the blacks on properly output images, leaving those of us who LIKE properly output images with our desired image?
you can crush the blacks on your display if you like that aesthetic.
if the Xbox One crushes the blacks itself, that detail is lost, and nothing we do on our TVs can get it back.
you can crush the blacks on your display if you like that aesthetic.
if the Xbox One crushes the blacks itself, that detail is lost, and nothing we do on our TVs can get it back.
Garrett 2U
Member
Just ignore him lol
(But killer instinct is 720p native btw, not 1080p)
Yeah, game looks great imo
Yep.
I never noticed any crushed blacks or jaggies (at least not major ones). Game looks fantastic for me.
I'm new be nice
Member
The filter was obviously a focus tested decision because everyone i've talked to does actually think that the games look better.
only things that matters, game looks great in motion
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Pretty much no effort went into that. But if you want evidence that MS was targeting sub-1080p, then just look at their display plane features.
I miss the days when we could just play games and enjoy them instead of focusing on stuff the majority of us never even notice in the wild.