UnObtainium17
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Grimløck;91979944 said:
Exactly... But for this game, if I have to pick w/c looks I would prefer, I would go with the sharpened/darkened version... THough they both really look ass. They need to tone that shit a little bit down.
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xbox one 1080p captures with and without filter (thanks Gizmowned)
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Exactly... But for this game, if I have to pick w/c looks I would prefer, I would go with the sharpened/darkened version... THough they both really look ass. They need to tone that shit a little bit down.
plagiarize
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why not just use those same powers of ignoring stuff you use not to be bothered by crushed blacks on those of us hoping we can get fixable things that annoy us fixed. BF4 is better for having had the sharpening filters patched out. Ryse is better for not using them. Etc. It's good that there exists workarounds that mitigate these issues which work for certain titles.
this isn't the same as wanting 1080p output on more games on the Xbox One, because that ship has sailed already. it is what it is. crushed blacks and sharpness filters being forced on us is completely fixable. hell, leave them on by default and give me an option I can turn off. I don't care. I'm not trying to take anything away from people that prefer crushed blacks and sharpness filters. The problem is that once they're baked in, I can't remove them.
People that like that look can attain it with their TV, so there's no reason for it to not at least be optional *on the output end*.
KI has always looked awful. DR3 isn't a great looking game either, but they're first generation games on new hardware that was a moving target during development. Hell, you could make a solid case that KI isn't even finished. OTOH they're actually both pretty fun, so I can forgive it for now.
I think plenty of people pointed it out already, but if you look at Ryse or Forza it's more than evident the console is capable of delivering much more visually rich experiences. I know it's not cool, but let's call off the hounds for a bit.
I miss the days when a videogame forum was a place to discuss videogames, be it positive or negative.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Came here to post the same thing.
I doubt think even 10% of the people who own this game are ignoring the fact that its a fucking great game and whining about visuals.
Ive also noticed in all these 'omg the sucky graphics' threads that the games look nowhere near as bad as the screens shown in the thread and the same applies here.
Does the scaler exist? Sure. Is it an 'issue' in this case? Quite debatable imo.
Windom Earle
Member
Come on man, it was rather obvious.
Yeah, what's the point of having a discussion about videogames, anyway?
We might as well just shut down the gaming side as a whole, no reason to actually talk about videogames when we could be playing them instead, right?
eso76
Member
yup, but the TTT PS2 pic he posted IS 1080P
surprised to see KI grabs look so bad anyway. It's not a technical showcase or anything but i thought it looked rather good in person,, i never had a problem with its IQ at 720p
btw, they should show us a downscaled 1080p game
It can look great in screens as well!yup, but the TTT PS2 pic he posted IS 1080P
surprised to see KI grabs look so bad anyway. It's not a technical showcase or anything but i thought it looked rather good in person,, i never had a problem with its IQ at 720p
btw, they should show us a downscaled 1080p game
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Oops, sorry, double post.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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I wouldn't remove the filter entirely, but tone down the sharpening and the contrast. Or better yet, throw in a few sliders, and let people choose their own settings at the OS level (and if you could override those settings on a per-title basis, even better).
I remember seeing the Alan Wake frame buffer grabs for the first time, they looked horribly muddy and low res. Yet on my TV, the game looked glorious.
I remember seeing the Alan Wake frame buffer grabs for the first time, they looked horribly muddy and low res. Yet on my TV, the game looked glorious.
Yes, those days when it was about the games.
Exactly. And KI 2013 is exclusive to Microsoft's next gen console. It should very well be showing off what Xbox One could do graphics wise.
Wishmaster92
Member
This game needs a 1080p or 900p patch. The horrible sharpness filter makes me not want to play it. The game looks like pure shit.
Resogun is literally free for PS+ members on the PS4, and it's a far better showcase of graphics than KI.
So you came into a thread dedicated to people who care about this, to say that they shouldn't care about this.
Ok.
Some of us actually want to debate and potentially resolve an issue that, for us, makes the graphics look worse.
Resogun is a good looking game. But that is about as apples to oranges as you can get.
how long did resogun take to make? And other than the crazy particles, it's not much of a graphical showcase. If my last gen friends came over and wanted me to show them what the ps4 could do, resogun would not be the game I would show them.
Lovely Salsa
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Yea right
Resogun is only impressive to people on GAF. It doesnt impress me, nor my casual gaming brother.
I never said I liked crushed blacks. I said I don't notice them.
I'm most likely going to look for them now though. I'm on a Panasonic Plasma so I would have assumed I should notice them though no?
SapientWolf
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Just be thankful that you don't have to use your consoles on a PC monitor.
It's a double edged sword, because you don't notice the jaggies as much in the living room, but you don't notice the details as much either.
WordsintheWater
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I'd say GAF outnumbers you and your brother so GAF wins?
Chance Hale
Member
I've been thinking about switching a console over to my monitor for a test run just because the color reproduction is so much better. Plus given the smaller size there's obviously more detail, do you think the negatives outweigh the benefits? Also, do many games support full-range RGB?
It can look great in screens as well!
lol, not sure if serious
not_so_special
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so the excuse for the poor graphics of ki is now...its a free to play game? man...
i thins it looks bad in motion,i have the game..the iq is horrendous jaggies everywhere,only thing noticeable its the particle effects
i thins it looks bad in motion,i have the game..the iq is horrendous jaggies everywhere,only thing noticeable its the particle effects
QuicheFontaine
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So you think it's debatable, but came here to post "please don't debate this".
The Albatross
Member
Can someone explain to me what crushed blacks are and why I've never heard of this until ~2 weeks ago?
This isn't directly about Killer Instinct, it's about Microsoft messing up the color accuracy and adding unflattering visual noise on sub-1080p games, which is a good portion of the XBO's current library.
The lighting is fantastic for a fighting game.
blitzcloud
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that screen you posted was atrocious in terms of lighting.
Orchid's shadow looks like the spraypaint tool from MS Paint. That capture is terrible.
This. I'm guessing the post processing is done on a separate display plane and it gets disabled when moving to the dashboard. Even with 720p output the game still has crushed blacks, bloom and fxaa. Scaler only applies sharpening.
So you haven't played a game on 360 last generation.
blurredvision
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It's pretty sad when console wars causes people to think KI looks "gross" or "disgusting". Especially so when many on this board enjoy any and all games, even having an irrational love for games like Hotline Miami or other indies that have a decidely 8/16-bit look to them.
Resolution isn't the whole story. Zooming in on minuscule parts of screenshots isn't the whole story. Having screenshots, period, don't tell the whole story. View one of the official direct-feed KI videos on Youtube, at max resolution and full screen...if you still think it's ugly, then there's no hope for you.
Resolution isn't the whole story. Zooming in on minuscule parts of screenshots isn't the whole story. Having screenshots, period, don't tell the whole story. View one of the official direct-feed KI videos on Youtube, at max resolution and full screen...if you still think it's ugly, then there's no hope for you.
If the scaler is in fact causing black crush, it seems like games, or at least Killer Instinct, are taking it into account on the final image output. The brush stroke behind character names in the character select, for instance. The walls in the background look completely washed out without it, too.
^Read the beginning, shook my head, read the rest, laughed
It's a decent looking game but it has a *LOT* of rough edges in person. The image quality is very poor, anisotropic filtering is sorely missed, and environment detail is very hit or miss. If image quality were improved significantly and AF were used it actually would look a LOT nicer. As it stands, it's simply too jaggy for its own good and ruins otherwise lovely models.
In the case of KI, however, poor image quality does hurt. The game looks pretty decent in person, but the image quality is really quite awful. That does have an impact.
Pop
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Rizsparky
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That's an unfair comparison..
