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Charlottesville alt-right white nationalist torch rally
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Arrogant Bastard
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A dangerous precedent, what like Schenck, the fact is all of your rights should and do have some reasonable restrictions.
A precedent that says, "Fuck Off Nazi's" yeah, real bad.
Aaronrules380
Member
The moment Nazis start killing or hurting people is the moment this stops being protected. The fact that police stood idly by even as violence came to a head is indicative of other, deeper problems with the country imo
I'm also curious where this is going
DontBeThatGuy
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Our Constitution was ratified by white supremacists over 228 years ago, long before Nazi's (in name) existed.
The Constitution has also been Amended 27 times. We're about due for a couple more.
excelsiorlef
Member
So you'd prefer to let Nazis march, assault and run over people instead...
fixedpoint
Member
Not quite what you're talking about, but Trump has specifically defunded groups and DHS programs dedicated to fighting white supremacist extremism. This is exactly what he wants - he *is* a white supremacist. As are some of the other retreads in his orbit like Bannon, Sessions and Gorka.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/23/playbook-dhs-extremism-life-after-hate-239889
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/01/politics/cve-funding-changes/index.html
http://www.salon.com/2017/06/23/trumps-department-of-homeland-security-is-defunding-an-anti-nazi-program/
Nabs
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I love how comfortable he was with that nazi. Says a lot about him and that network.
djplaeskool
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His numbers with independents have already taken a beating. I don't think the trajectory will change much.
The United States of America actively banned Nazi Gatherings, Speech and Organizations in the late 30s and through WWII. There is no reason why they cannot be banned today. They call for the same things today that they called for during WWII.
The reality is the Nazi etc. have played the system to build itself defenses in society.
The reality is the Nazi etc. have played the system to build itself defenses in society.
Who decides who the "protected minorities" are? Who chooses how laws are enforced?
The majority.
I'm also a bit confused by this news item. If it was just pilot error, or something to that effect, then I don't know how it's connected. If someone was actually taking shots at the chopper, that would be something else entirely, though.
Hierophant
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Anyone who is still on the fence after this is not your ally, I guarantee you they are more sympathetic to the Nazis then any of the people killed today.
that headline
Unite the Right Rally-Goer Tells Fox News The F-cking Jew Lovers Are Gassing Us!
TyrantGuardian
Member
You're right about that. But you must also realize that the constitution itself is what has allowed the US to reach this point unrestricted. It's pretty garbage, if y'all US citizens haven't yet noticed.
Primethius
Banned
Do some posters realize there are already LIMITATIONS on free speech in the US?
Like, some posts read like it's this untouched beacon of freedom.
Like, some posts read like it's this untouched beacon of freedom.
mambadragon
Banned
Can we agree this is deplorable?
NHarmonic.
Member
What the fuck is that last sentence, please go away with that shit.
"Peaceful Nazi rally, peaceful KKK rally". I think this is top 3 on the most stupid shit i've ever read. If you think parading behind those ideals can be close to anything resembling peace then i don't know in which dimension you're living.
Darryl M R
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DontBeThatGuy
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See, this is how we got Trump.
Psychoward
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yeah and look at all the neo-nazis in the USA compared to Germany
Saint Gregory
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I'm not sure what the answer is then. It's not really a mystery what the goals are of these groups. They want to harm minorities and their dreams are to wipe them out completely. What's the line in the sand where we say "OK, maybe we let this movement go too far"?
Not sure if these free speech folks remember this, but for a time, shooting a Nazi was held in high regard in this country.
Plenty peaceful before the lynching.
Wet Bloodfart
Banned
This is why white moderates are dangerous
This is infuriating
Aaronrules380
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I think a lot of things have caused it to reach that point and acting like amending the constitution would automatically fix the problem is incredibly naive.
King Tubby
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The argument isn't that BLM and Nazis are in any way equivalent, only that the government would use their power to silence groups like BLM if they were able. Hell, they already do. It's not as simple as some people make it out to be. You already have large, ignorant swathes of the public who think BLM are a terrorist organization.
Psychoward
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apparently not
But his rights?!
I think you need to take it down a notch, you're making really hysterical assumptions based on a few things I've said that you still have yet to provide a retort to.
Aaronrules380
Member
exactly. Whether two groups are actually equivalent is irrelevant, what's relevant is whether the law as written could be spun in such a way as to act as if they are
Primethius
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If the US just designated Neo-Nazis as a terrorist organization like they should, the free speech limitations as they exist would already prohibit these acts and rallies.
But something something slippery slope. What a bullshit nonsensical argument.
But something something slippery slope. What a bullshit nonsensical argument.
Hierophant
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Frozenprince
Banned
This is why white moderates are dangerous
Makes me mad every time, doubly so because I used to genuinely like boogie.
How ridiculous is the argument about "we must stick to our principles no matter how poorly they work in practice because those principles will defend us when the wrong people raise to power" in a world where Trump is POTUS and with everything that is happening these days in Charlottesville.
This is the same with that argument about the checks and balances.
This is the same with that argument about the checks and balances.
So the government might do a thing they're already doing if we expect them to do a thing they ought to do? Not really a great argument.
sechsterangriff
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I sometimes go to 4chan for /m/ and decided to take a look at /pol/ for the first time ever today.
I don't know what I was expecting but what a fucking cesspit.
I don't know what I was expecting but what a fucking cesspit.
Darryl M R
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He is one of my few milkshake ducks, he's not a bigot- only a bigot enabler, so I also get doubly upset whenever a situation arises and I think of his quote.
R10Neymarfan
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Not when they run over people. Terrorist groups shouldn't be given a platform in any way. Thus just proves as such. Muh freeze peach doesn't work not for these deplorable. And Clinton was right in calling them that. Everyone that has enabled and encouraged them should be called out
Hierophant
Banned
YEAH FUCKING THE EXACT REASON THEY ALWAYS GAVE WAS WE HAVE TO PREVENT THEM FROM RISING TO POWER BY ACTING CIVIL AND REASONABLE
LIKE FUCKING EVERYTHING BAD THAT COULD HAPPEN DID HAPPEN
There is no more cause for civility or rationality, the enemy hates you and wants to kill you.
TyrantGuardian
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No one is saying it would. We're saying is the basic fucking first step that every civilized country enacts. The US isn't a special snowflake where it wouldn't work, you're just several decades behind in enacting proper hate speech laws.
BLM wouldn't fall under hate speech in any country that has hate speech laws. What are you even talking about? Its incredibly simple.
djplaeskool
Member
This is what law enforcement is supposed to be there for.
Monitor the situation, and break it up if it gets out of hand. (And seeing some videos on Twitter, police definitely let shit rock that should've been ceased immediately)
We've had like, 5 or 6 of these KKK-ish gatherings in Georgia over the past decade, and either the police end up telling people to go home (usually in the face of counter-protest), or it just ends up as a BBQ with your really racist relatives where people sell poorly crafted confederate merchandise and that might get a short blurb on the local news.
It's a prickly conversation that we're going to have to have, but I think with our current administration, will be difficult to finish.
Terrorist groups shouldn't have those rights.
Aaronrules380
Member
Designating neo nazis specifically as a terrorist organization is essentially useless because then they'd just find a way to rebrand under a different name and banner. Hate speech laws can't be effective unless they're vague enough to apply to a broad range of situations rather than just specific groups
Psychoward
Banned
basically
This is why white moderates are dangerous
I see red every time this is posted. Fuck him and all fence sitters that allowed this shit to happen through sheer passivity. There is no middleground to be found between normal person and genocidal fucks.
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