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Looking very promising as far as the environments go. Can't wait to play this.
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Shenmue III The 1st Teaser | PS4
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LukasTaves
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Not like this 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I love that a new Shenmue is finally being made, but everything looks so absolute trash.
I will still play this obviously, but if this is all they have to show after all this time I don't have much hope it's going to be any good
I love that a new Shenmue is finally being made, but everything looks so absolute trash.
I will still play this obviously, but if this is all they have to show after all this time I don't have much hope it's going to be any good
Not like this 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I love that a new Shenmue is finally being made, but everything looks so absolute trash.
I will still play this obviously, but if this is all they have to show after all this time I don't have much hope it's going to be any good
I can understand concerns over the character models, but how do the environments look like trash? One of the best things I took away from this trailer is they are trying their best to retain those little details in the world that Shenmue is known for.
openrob
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Complicated
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Holy shit that was worse than I expected based off the comments.
I don't have any major issue with what has been shown outside of the facial animation. The environments are perfect and I like the stylised character designs. Ryo looks very close to the artwork renders from the original games too.
That being said, they should take as much time as they can afford to get this game where it needs to be - lest it disappoints in such a way as to permanently kill the series.
Will continue to keep faith - if there is anybody in the industry who has earned it, it's YS.
That being said, they should take as much time as they can afford to get this game where it needs to be - lest it disappoints in such a way as to permanently kill the series.
Will continue to keep faith - if there is anybody in the industry who has earned it, it's YS.
New screenshots from the Playstation blog. I think it looks much improved from the video they showed-
Shenmue III by PlayStation.Blog, on Flickr
Shenmue III by PlayStation.Blog, on Flickr
Shenmue III by PlayStation.Blog, on Flickr
Shenmue III by PlayStation.Blog, on Flickr
Shenmue III by PlayStation.Blog, on Flickr
Shenmue III by PlayStation.Blog, on Flickr
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I mean, faces are bad (like, really kill-me-now bad), but overall, I like it. Never played the first 2 games but remember how incredible they looked at the time (and not just gameplay, the graphics blew me away as a kid, it was the main thing making me want a DC).
Apart from the faces, animation, textures, environment, atmosphere, are all great to amazing, and I'm glad I backed this. I may end up regretting, but I just wanted to give them a chance and see how it went.
That being said, there's no way this is coming out next year, late 2019 in the earliest. I'm also intrigued regarding Sony's take on this. After being presented at their E3 showcase I was expecting some more intervention on their part. Maybe let the Naughty Dogs do a workshop with the Shenmue team or something.
Apart from the faces, animation, textures, environment, atmosphere, are all great to amazing, and I'm glad I backed this. I may end up regretting, but I just wanted to give them a chance and see how it went.
That being said, there's no way this is coming out next year, late 2019 in the earliest. I'm also intrigued regarding Sony's take on this. After being presented at their E3 showcase I was expecting some more intervention on their part. Maybe let the Naughty Dogs do a workshop with the Shenmue team or something.
Whompa02
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The logo, character models, animations, and how the environments are rendered, are just not there.
Doesn't help that they're adding fire textures and doing a ton of photoshop retouching on these images to make them seem better than they are.
It's just not good. I don't see them fixing a lot of this stuff before release.
Doesn't help that they're adding fire textures and doing a ton of photoshop retouching on these images to make them seem better than they are.
It's just not good. I don't see them fixing a lot of this stuff before release.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Nope.
I will forever hate SEGA if they don't release the first two games before this comes out. You hear me SEGA?! -_-
I've seen this comment elsewhere in the thread. You're saying the art is inconsistent? Can you be more specific/give example? I'm failing to understand (apart from the character models which look a bit too cartoony for the more realistic backgrounds).
GhostTrick
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My feeling exactly.
Environnements looks detailed but as for the rest.... It just feel amateurish as fuck.
-The shader work is lazy and look like default UE4.
-The animations are stiff and look like amateur doing UE4 demos.
-There's no facial animation.
-The characters clash wuth the environnement. They look like they dont belong here and the materials look so different.
-The lighting direction is clumsy. Light sources are inaccurate and looks like default UE4 lights.
I wont lie, if I could get a refund, I'd do it.
This doesnt look like a disaster, but it surely doesnt inspire confidence. Especially when they claim it releases next year. We have seen no gameplay and what we saw is really early. They should already delay it.
PDZ may not have turned out great (MotorStorm did, I'll fight you), but it was graphically easily in league with other Xbox 360 launch titles, whilst the furore around wallguy was that the game looked worse than Halo CE based on that shot.
There's also The Order 1886, which whilst not a mess graphically... well, this comparison says it all.
I don't want to get into a long drawn out argument surrounding Horizon, because at the end of the day I'll agree that it's probably the best looking game out right now... but whilst the overall effect of the graphics in the retail game stack up well with the reveal, there are various areas it looked better at the time, in terms of Aloy's interactions with foliage, shadow detail, and even her hair and outfit looked more consistent, with less identifiable seams than the retail game.
Hey I LOVED motorstorm, but let's not pretend that was a mess. Very little content, nightmarish load times, messy online integration post launch, etc. But yeah there are definitely significant improvements in a year time, but this game looks far more than a year or so off to me is my point. I don't see this small team turning it around dramatically.
I bring it up to point out that 1 year of dev time is minor even to the biggest studios and budgets. Very simple to grasp.
If this weren't Shemnue, there would be nobody willing to defend this trailer. A year is relatively short in gamedev time, if they really intend to release this next year then those awful character models won't be fixed by then IMO. This isn't "just fix Chun-Li", but "just fix it all". I wonder if it's bad art direction rather than technical incompetence, like they were trying to keep the aesthetics of the old games but just too much so.
Agreed ENTIRELY. It's sterile, it's clunky, it's grossly dated. It looks like a fanmade UE4 game at this point.
Right. It's not just the animations. The whole design looks like they're wearing mascot costumes.
IronicSonic
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Pretty solid I think.
Someone knows if facial animation is implemented usually at later stages of development? I'm pretty sure Suzuki's Team was pushed to show "something" at Gamescom. It would be weird if it was Suzuki's idea to show the game in this incomplete state.
I'm as hyped as any Shenmue fan, but that trailer honestly looked like a pre-vis work up to pitch to investors. This vid looks like something that would have been shown at the inception of the kickstarter. I can't help put think this demonstrates that they are very very very early in development. The artstyle shown also has an extreme lack of cohesion.
Regardless, I'm happy that more of the game was shown, or at least what they are aiming for. I completely trust Yu Suzuki, so I'm not too worried. I'm just thinking that this game won't hit until fall 2019 at the earliest.
Regardless, I'm happy that more of the game was shown, or at least what they are aiming for. I completely trust Yu Suzuki, so I'm not too worried. I'm just thinking that this game won't hit until fall 2019 at the earliest.
openrob
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It is worth pointing out that the game development is using Agile model as opposed to waterfall.
I have limited knowledge about it, but after a bit of reading it means that instead of developing one aspect and moving on (e.g finish level design, move on to mechanics, finish and move on to visuals) everything is constantly going through stages of development and redevelopment.
The point of this is to get constant feedback. Instead of developing models, and getting feedback, then developing the movement and getting feedback, then developing environments...and getting feedback they instead quickly develop a slice (as we have seen today) and get feedback overall then run through another sprint of development.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131151/paper_burns_game_design_with_.php
Tbf I think this is good, we get to see how things are coming along, and they get feedback.
Doesn't explain the font and bad edit though hehe.
I have limited knowledge about it, but after a bit of reading it means that instead of developing one aspect and moving on (e.g finish level design, move on to mechanics, finish and move on to visuals) everything is constantly going through stages of development and redevelopment.
The point of this is to get constant feedback. Instead of developing models, and getting feedback, then developing the movement and getting feedback, then developing environments...and getting feedback they instead quickly develop a slice (as we have seen today) and get feedback overall then run through another sprint of development.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131151/paper_burns_game_design_with_.php
Tbf I think this is good, we get to see how things are coming along, and they get feedback.
Doesn't explain the font and bad edit though hehe.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Fix it all? The enviroments look incredible.
GhostTrick
Banned
I think they meant the character models. Which need a lot of fixes, including Ryo's face/head.
JetSetRadio
Banned
She would look nice in a toy capsule.
Same thing with the original Shenmue. It went through constant changes because Yu Suzuki uses agile methodology development structure.
GhostTrick
Banned
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, it's no No Man's Sky level of denial but everything from the color palette to lighting over motion blur to shading effects are straight standard UE4 stuff. Combine it with the bad character models and animations and clashing art styles and you get a glorified fangame.
It's absurd that a game like Shenmue doesn't have a strong artistic vision and realization.
Tricky I Shadow
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Yeah, I think I might have read his comment wrong. My bad.
It is worth pointing out that the game development is using Agile model as opposed to waterfall.
I have limited knowledge about it, but after a bit of reading it means that instead of developing one aspect and moving on (e.g finish level design, move on to mechanics, finish and move on to visuals) everything is constantly going through stages of development and redevelopment.
The point of this is to get constant feedback. Instead of developing models, and getting feedback, then developing the movement and getting feedback, then developing environments...and getting feedback they instead quickly develop a slice (as we have seen today) and get feedback overall then run through another sprint of development.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131151/paper_burns_game_design_with_.php
Tbf I think this is good, we get to see how things are coming along, and they get feedback.
Doesn't explain the font and bad edit though hehe.
Is Waterfall even a viable development process for larges-scale games? Are there many studios who don't use Agile? It's rare for me to find a company who doesn't use SCRUM or some form of Agile for software development nowadays.
Anyway, I'm personally fine with what was shown, but I do think it's indicative that they are still much earlier in the development process than previously thought. It's understandable though; I'd personally be surprised for the game to look much further along since Shenmue has such a granular level of detail in assets and interactions, as well as larger scope and scale.
Looking good. Unfortunately, the general public isn't privy to game development and doesn't really know how and when facial animation is inserted in game development, hence the backlash. It's nice to see they at least put in some mouth flap this early, but for most that isn't enough it seems. Oh well, I'm really looking forward to playing this hopefully in a year.
I really wonder what have the modelers/artists worked on before. It just looks like really amateur work.
I wasn't trying to argue that I think they'll be able to turn it around (though I'd expect it to not quite be this bad at release). I was just answering your question regarding games that improved dramatically. We were only referring to their appearance, and so other aspects of MotorStorm don't really factor. It was possibly the best looking game on release, and looked horrendous at its first non-CG reveal.
There's more than enough time for Shenmue's faces to be fixed... the real question is if the talent to do so is there. Even placeholder models shouldn't look this bad, and Shenhua's actually look far worse than she was over a year ago. It seems that after they got the initial complaints regarding Ryo's face, they seem to have simply loaded the Dreamcast models in and increased the polycounts on them.
Elfforkusu
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Slightly.
I think the real problem is that 2 will be very hard to summarize. 1 can be treated as a prequel if you need to, but 2 really needs to be experienced.
So, the fascinating thing about this to me is that he seemed to be talking about the game design being agile, not just the software.
Which, if true, does seem like a novel way to frame it. It's not like naughty dog went into UC4 not sure what gameplay mechanics would be used -- but that's exactly what applying agile to game design (of a sequel!) would mean.
I guess my thing is that it doesn't just need faces or animations. It needs a whole overhaul. The direction of it looks so poor.
Augemitbutter
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i hope they put lots more work into the char. models. they have to look appealing at least. delay as long as you want if possible. don't release with shitty models, please. my last replays of shen I+II aren't far back and the models there still look fine.
Vinterbird
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From my understanding it's next to impossible to find a professional studio not doing SCRUM or similiar traditional agile development. The time of the Prince2 development method is long gone.
Spoilers based off old plans for the series.
Probably just rural. If you look back at the chapter arts created when this was Virtua Fighter RPG as soon as rural China shows up its all based there from then.
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The first 2 have very simple stories. The joy is in how well paced they are, nice and subtle leading naturally into over the top action crazy. While not the best answer, a quick summation of events before jumping into 3 would be doable.
Spoilers based off old plans for the series.
Probably just rural. If you look back at the chapter arts created when this was Virtua Fighter RPG as soon as rural China shows up its all based there from then.
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The first 2 have very simple stories. The joy is in how well paced they are, nice and subtle leading naturally into over the top action crazy. While not the best answer, a quick summation of events before jumping into 3 would be doable.
Thanks. I only ever played the first game and I have 2 for xbox but have never finished it.
