LastGamer84
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Agreed. I really didn't like them. Toby is a terrible Spiderman and an even worse Parker.
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Spider-Man 1 and 2 hold up very well.
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Agreed. I really didn't like them. Toby is a terrible Spiderman and an even worse Parker.
Only have seen the first but I do recall quite a bit, mostly how much I despised the brash changes to the origin story and characterization of Parker especially.
Garfield cracks wise more, but rarely in a playful tone. Instead he was like a bully preying on the weaker thugs, especially in the first obnoxious scene wearing his suit and dealing with carjackers. He whines and broods over his father endlessly. He's the dark mysterious presence at school that everyone kind of assumes is either nuts or just some loner. It's so far removed from Peter as can be. Oh and he destroys the lives of everyone around him because he's a fool, especially Gwen and her family.
Didn't bother watching the sequel.
I disagree. Visuals in the film may become dated, but a good film in 1980 is still a good film. If anything they just because reflections of the times.
Of course man, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is still the GOAT and i will say the same 10 years later too.
They had a whole impotent thing going on too in the original script, buf yeah he stopped being Spider-Man because he's sad he can't be with one woman. Fuck the Raimi Peter is a damn loser. Not a nerd or geek, a loser.
Thank you. A tangled web, even.
Hold the fucking phone, he is not a dark mysterious presence, he's the guy who sits in with buds in his ears and if you talk to him, he'll talk back. He wants to find out more about his parents because he knows shit is suspsect, it is not as far removed from Peter, in fact it's a better Peter than the Raimi one. The only life destroyed is Captain Stacy and that's because he's dead. He's rather playful but come on, think about it, a dude with superpowers just fucks with people on the reg, it's bullying anywau ya slice it.
family_guy
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Tobi pulled off the mopey Peter Parker well, but Andrew was more charismatic. I'd rank them Spiderman 2 > Amazing Spider-man > Amazing Spiderman 2 > Spiderman.
I disagree with that. movies can age poorly based on a lot of things other than visuals. I mean, hell, comedies can age starting on day 1 depending on the type of humor they display.
I was just watching a thing about Mel Brooks and why his humor is so good but even he had blind spots in regards to his depiction of gay people. that shit aged poorly because it's not the 70's anymore.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Just rewatched them recently thanks to the Homecoming thread and yes, they're just as good now as they ever were. 2 might be the purest expression of the superhero concept in movie form along with Superman.
FrontalMonk
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I enjoyed the Raimi SM movies well enough, but I think the only one that really nailed everything was the first one. SM2&3's problems for me were the manufactured Parker drama. The first hour and change of SM2 was a "let's shit on parker" show, and the first hour and change of SM3 was a "let's shit on MJ" show. SM3 obviously had a ton of other problems since they were trying to cram in way too much, but still.
Geno Breaker
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GOAT superhero movies. Loved them as a kid, love them even more nowadays. Unfortunately I don't care for the MCU movies very much at all. GOTG was good but I can't be assed to watch the other films. They're just not interesting to me at all. Don't think I'm gonna see Homecoming.
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SM2 has more heart and coherence than the majority of the MCU flicks I've seen. Maguire is fine, Dunst is fine, Molina is amazing. Peter has such a good arc through that picture.
I'm worried Homecoming isn't going to take any time for down beats and is going to spend its running time being that annoying friend who won't stop telling jokes in inappropriate moments.
I'm worried Homecoming isn't going to take any time for down beats and is going to spend its running time being that annoying friend who won't stop telling jokes in inappropriate moments.
Rewatched the trilogy the other day. Wasn't really feeling the first movie, I'm not sure if I'd say it held up that well. The action, acting and dialogue were shaky, it's not just the visual effects and costume design that you'd expect to age (other two were much better there). Spider-Man 2 was a lot better film in general, they learned and improved so much from the first film and it holds up damn well.
Hell I'd say Spider-Man 3's action held up really well, and the film itself is actually two good movies awkwardly mashed together into some Frankenstein's monster of a single film. On a scene by scene level I enjoy it a lot, but it never fits together into a cohesive unit, there's way too much going on and everybody is under served.
Also it's been years but I'm still floored that anyone thought the Lizard design in ASM was a good idea. That face. So bad.
Hell I'd say Spider-Man 3's action held up really well, and the film itself is actually two good movies awkwardly mashed together into some Frankenstein's monster of a single film. On a scene by scene level I enjoy it a lot, but it never fits together into a cohesive unit, there's way too much going on and everybody is under served.
Also it's been years but I'm still floored that anyone thought the Lizard design in ASM was a good idea. That face. So bad.
Raptomex
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I agree. The movies were okay but I wasn't a huge fan of him as Spidey. I also don't get the hate for ASM. At least the first one.
you're worried that Homecoming is going to depict Spider Man as he should be depicted?
prepare for disappointment then I guess
Gai Murakumo
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The Sam Raimi Spiderman's overall hold up the best compared to the other Superhero movies of that time. Even Spiderman 3 though heavily flawed because of corporate influence is still a good movie.
If Peter Parker isn't a loser, he's not Peter Parker (or at least, not the Peter Parker they're adapting - those early 60s comics). People aren't mean to Peter because he's actually great and brilliant and misunderstood and they're just cruel awful people. They're mean to him because he's a weirdo.
That's why Hollywood so often fails at portraying "nerds." They're usually just good, handsome, charismatic people with some glasses slapped on them.
Real people get bullied for a reason. Tobey makes weird faces, he pauses and stares, he says stupid shit all the time. He has no spine at all. He takes the abuse and shrugs because it's his lot in life. He has a good heart, but it's compromised by selfishness and fear. That's real. That's my life up there on the screen. That's why it works.
In Spider-Man 2, when he knows MJ has a boyfriend, he starts hanging around and reciting poetry despite thinking that's gonna somehow win her heart? God, I can barely even watch it because I remember being that guy.
I mean, sure, he's like 30 years old and pretending to be a high schooler but...
That's why Hollywood so often fails at portraying "nerds." They're usually just good, handsome, charismatic people with some glasses slapped on them.
Real people get bullied for a reason. Tobey makes weird faces, he pauses and stares, he says stupid shit all the time. He has no spine at all. He takes the abuse and shrugs because it's his lot in life. He has a good heart, but it's compromised by selfishness and fear. That's real. That's my life up there on the screen. That's why it works.
In Spider-Man 2, when he knows MJ has a boyfriend, he starts hanging around and reciting poetry despite thinking that's gonna somehow win her heart? God, I can barely even watch it because I remember being that guy.
I mean, sure, he's like 30 years old and pretending to be a high schooler but...
The first one was fine, if Sont didn't chop and screw it to hell trying tk market the untold story of Spider-Man, movie is significantly more coherent and better.
Octavianus
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It could have been so much better
Why, Raimi, why?
Jesus please kill it.
Nope, nope. Just stay out of it.
Yep, eat that shitty Tofu Dog and stay out of it
Nope, nope. Just stay out of it.
Nerdkiller
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i hope when Holland has to face his down-beat, in a post A4 (probably after some real deaths), he can handle the sad scenes better than Tobey
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THANK YOU! Garfield's Parker is a complete and utter prick who does not understand the concept of responsibility, if anything, the movies do their damnedest to absolve him of any of it. How do you screw up something like the death of Uncle Ben, for Christ's sake!? Or when they offed Gwen..."IT'S MY CHOICE TO BE HERE!" I hate those movies so much.
There's nothing to "hold up" as far as Spider-Man goes. It was never as good as the best superhero films of it's era.
Spider-Man 2 was more of a revelation, but I think it stopped holding up after 2008 when we got two superhero films who were both legitimately great AND not giant cheesecake factories. We've had good superhero movies every year since.
Spider-Man 2 was more of a revelation, but I think it stopped holding up after 2008 when we got two superhero films who were both legitimately great AND not giant cheesecake factories. We've had good superhero movies every year since.
Nope, nope. Just stay out of it.
Don't worry, Spidey 1/2 stans will be sure to ruin any discussion about homecoming. You'll have your chance, repeatedly.
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He should be quippy, not abrasive or tone-deaf.
The MCU so far has been all about quippy main characters or silly jokes at their expense, so I guess we'll see more of the same.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Part of the reason I like Spidey 1 over Spidey 2 is because I kind of feel like Raimi got a little too much freedom with the sequel. Spider-Man 1 feels like "A Spider-Man movie directed by Sam Raimi" while Spider-Man 2 feels like "A Sam Raimi movie featuring Spider-Man". It gets a little too hokey for me
His Peter is, and I mean this in the nicest way possible, a baby back bitch of a human. Not in a good way.
Holy fuck I'm not ready for that bullshit. Homecoming will obviously be the best Spider-Man movie, shit the trailers made that clear, impressions, and spoilers have too, but that OT is gonna be hell
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In what way?
Asm 1 was great. Asm 2 suffered from villain bloat, unfortunately.
Parker is a nerd, but not a loser. He gets with Liz Allen, Gwen Stacy, MJ, Black Cat, etc... he's confident in his abilities both as a hero and as a genius.
"Spineless" is a terrible trait for a hero to have, and it certainly doesn't apply to Peter Parker.
And his problems with women have to do with Parker Luck, not being some guy on the brink of reading reddit mra forums
Good Job Bob
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The final fight in 1 between Goblin and Spidey is so brutal and personal. I imagine the final battle in Homecoming will be an incoherent CGI clusterfuck.
hipsterpants
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One of the underrated aspects of the Raimi films is that the whole world is filled with these goofy over-the-top cartoony personalities. The MCU is literally "the real world, but with heroes" except for GOTG and it makes the universe really boring.
I mean...you're victim blaming bullied people.
People get bullied because bullies are assholes.\
Yup. I typically avoid Spidey threads on GAF because of it.
Been bored at work lately, though. lol
No it didn't. It suffered from Sony being Sony, chopping and screwing the movie to fucking hell, and again, no movie suffers because of too many characters, there are two villains on that movie really. Rhino ain't shit. Movie suffered because it wasn't that good.
Also it seems like people who adore the Raimi Spider-Man joints, have no clue what traits Peter Parker has as a character. Lol.
Yeah, I was legit shook back in the day by how brutal that fight got
My feelings exactly
I hate quips. The new Spider-Man looks so smug.
real talk gwen's death was more important for spider man and pete than uncle ben's, that's when spider man really grew into the hero that we all know and love
telling jokes at inappropriate moments is Spider Man though, that's what you said
yep, well said
never mind that once he gets to college shit evens out a lot in terms of people accepting him
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