It's locked down. Publishers have the choice to block disc trading altogether or allow it in a 'locked down' manner through approved retail only.
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Is Gamestop warring with Microsoft?
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It's locked down. Publishers have the choice to block disc trading altogether or allow it in a 'locked down' manner through approved retail only.
RiddleofSteel
Member
This is awesome. "First off, fuck you MS, and the price you claim. Offline when we ride, come equipped with game..."
Since when does everyone love Gamestop? I thought everyone hated them, until all this happened.
Its interesting Gamestop is promoting PS4 more than Xbox One in their stores despite cutting a deal with MS and being one of the participating retailers for XB1's used game sales. Looks like they still don't have faith in that system.
Its more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend scenario. People will go back to hating Gamestop when Xbox One goes down.
Its more of an enemy of my enemy is my friend scenario. People will go back to hating Gamestop when Xbox One goes down.
stop being so levelheaded.
Well basically with the 10% or whatever it is Gamestop will have to pay for each used game, they'll have to make less on each used game sale because there's already only a $5 difference between used and new. They can't increase the price they list their used games at any more without it being the same price as new, which means nobody would buy used from them anymore.
So it makes sense that they want to push everyone to the PS4 where they can maintain their margin on used games as everything is status quo.
This is my guess too. From my experience, the employees and manager at Gamestops usually aren't the most professional type of people.
Alright so went to GS to get TLOU asked about next gen, dude there said they are running out of X1 preorders...which may confirm the talk of MS having low supply of it. Then he just was all like
"well I'm getting a ps4, look on amazon it's like 10:1, they are just racking up the preorders"
"well I'm getting a ps4, look on amazon it's like 10:1, they are just racking up the preorders"
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Exactly. Gamestop is still awful, it's just that Microsoft is so much worse.
I love the way when I just called them to look up stock on Starcraft Battlechest they greet you "Where you can preorder the new Playstation 4" but no mention of anything else.
I feel like I am in Bizarro world or something.
Going into Gamestop before and around the PS3 launch, and having to do with anything PSP related was like walking a minefield.
I feel like I am in Bizarro world or something.
Going into Gamestop before and around the PS3 launch, and having to do with anything PSP related was like walking a minefield.
Lagspike_exe
Member
MS' approach gave it more leverage with the publishers, but destroyed good faith it had with GameStop, creating a friction that Sony is about to exploit. And it doesn't seem that MS gained anything on the publisher side, so from a strategic standpoint, this decision doesn't seem to be working how they planned. Oh, and they created a legion of angry consumers in the process.
Went by gamestop today and nothing bad about the xbone. Just the normal xbone and PS4 flyer with prices and games.
Ask about PS4 preorders and he said they had over 30 pre-ordered and slots left. They have been given 2 more "rounds" of units. I also asked about giving out too many preorders and he said gamestop corp gave the stores more units that are "killing it with preorders." So that is how his store got more units or whatever....
I kinda worry that sony will not be able to make this many. Seems like a ton units for my small store.
Ask about PS4 preorders and he said they had over 30 pre-ordered and slots left. They have been given 2 more "rounds" of units. I also asked about giving out too many preorders and he said gamestop corp gave the stores more units that are "killing it with preorders." So that is how his store got more units or whatever....
I kinda worry that sony will not be able to make this many. Seems like a ton units for my small store.
crazygambit
Member
Sorry to break your bubble, but most of the Xbone's DRM is at the system level and publishers have no say over it.
A publisher can't stop a single player game from refusing to play if the console hasn't been online for over 24 hours. They also can't allow you to give or lend your games away or sell them directly to a stranger on eBay. Even if they wanted to, they can't. They can however completely block second hand sales. If they do let you sell it, it MUST be through an approved retailer, no choice there either.
On the other hand, on the PS4 they can't block a second hand sale of the disc. They may try some online pass shenanigans, but they can't block single player content.
So the stuff that's really up to the publishers is very different on each platform wouldn't you say?
Exactly. And i belive they can decide if they wanna charge for trade-ins or not.
Vermillion
Banned
I'm enjoying this way too much.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Excellent thread. I'm feeling really glad that it sounds like most stores out there are doing well by their customers, even if PS4 is ultimately Gamespot's best friend.
Fixed for anybody too ignorant to realize that Gamestop will pass that cost on to the people trading in games who won't have alternatives like eBay or personal sales.
Much like with online passes, it isn't Gamestop that will suffer here.
Darth Tigris
Member
You got none of that from what MS has stated officially, soooooo ... well, I'll just say it: you made it up.
How about we just deal in what's official, like everyone wants to do with the PS4?
Gamestop will suffer eventually.
It's plainly obvious the endgame for MS is cutting out any sort of middleman.
It's definitely against the long-term interests of Gamestop, but if this were the endgame they'd gladly pay 10% to Microsoft, drop the credit given for trade-ins by more than 10%, and enjoy the monopoly that Microsoft gives them.
Darth Tigris
Member
In their official statement (which I quoted), MS said it's up to the publisher. That's contrary to what you state. For a customer selling or buying a used game at GS, the experience won't be much different if they own a PS4 or X1.
And again, we're talking about used game sales in relation to Gamestop in THIS thread, not every single possible situation that could come up with a used game. For a GS employee to tell someone that wants to pre-order an Xbox One that it blocks used game's is them LYING to the customer.
Informing them about the FACTUAL RELEASED POLICIES would be a good service, but it doesn't sound like that's what's happening here and is status quo behavior for your stereotypical GS employee. That used to be something that we hated, but now X1 bashing is all the rage then now their behavior is lauded. And that's called hypocrisy.
crazygambit
Member
Since it does in fact imposes several restrictions to the sale of used games on a hardware level, no, they're not even close to lying. Even if by some miracle you could sell the game at GameStop at the same price as a PS4 game, it's still blocking the sale in several other avenues at the hardware level, which is relevant information to pass onto potential customers.
kerotan_eater
Banned
Yes but it even then, the PS4 is something they would still better off push. They may have a bigger monopoly with Ganestop being a participating retailer, but promoting the PS4 over the X1 still makes more sense, it's still more beneficial.
This is crazy mang. What a bizarro world this has become.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Do they ask you when you first walk to the cashier if you want to preorder a new console?
That's one of the many reasons I dread walking into the store. I pick up a preorder in July. Good. I hope the MS fans are seeing how alienated they made PS3 fans this social mess of a console gen.
That's one of the many reasons I dread walking into the store. I pick up a preorder in July. Good. I hope the MS fans are seeing how alienated they made PS3 fans this social mess of a console gen.
Man you are drinking that kool aid hardcore.
maquiladora
Member
Thats the exciting thing about the transition to a new generation, there's always the potential for big changes.
To me, it comes down to the fact that I want the option to sell my game somewhere other than GameStop. Since I prefer getting more than $10 in store credit for a game I bought a week ago, I sell my Xbox 360 games on eBay, and I'll be selling my PS4 games there too.
Telling gofreak he doesn't know what he's talking about when you're obviously the misinformed one. That's balls.
Everything gofreak said is accurate and can easily be found in MS quotes.
Directly from their FAQ about licenses:
They've said several times that you'll be able to resell your licenses (remember you don't actually own those Xbox One games) at approved retailers only. You can't resell directly to another individual, you can't sell on craigslist, and unless eBay is an approved retailer you can't sell there either.
MichaelVash7886
Neo Member
And that's not even looking at lending games to a friend. I have a friend who will occasionally borrow games to check them out, I don't think that would work with Xone, unless we did game sharing.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I can taste the salt in this comment.
razgriz417
Member
When I picked up Last of Us they asked if I wanted to preorder the PS4 when I was paying, pretty standard for gamestop, was just happy then didnt ask me to preorder anything else haha
Don't know if that is very unusual since you were picking up a PS3 game. I'm more interested to know what they would have said if you were picking up a 360 game.
ThatsMytrunks
Member
So that warning flyer has to be absolute bullshit because I haven't seen so much as a blurry pic from a cell phone confirming its existence.
Gold_Loot
Member
I went in to local Gamestop today to pre-order my launch PS4 games and had a chat with the store manager about the whole situation (whom I have been friends with for awhile).
I was asking him about hearing anything from anybody at corporate level as far as if they are pushing one system over the other. He said "No, but it seems like nearly everybody has been leaning towards the PS4 due to the restrictions of the Xbox one." I asked him if he was required to tell everyone that asked about Xbox one and those restrictions, and he said "Not really, just to let them know that they will need an internet connection for it to work properly"
He also said that if managers are doing more than that (handing papers, trying to talk people out of Xbox ect.) it may be just at store level. Nothing from corporate on that yet.
I was asking him about hearing anything from anybody at corporate level as far as if they are pushing one system over the other. He said "No, but it seems like nearly everybody has been leaning towards the PS4 due to the restrictions of the Xbox one." I asked him if he was required to tell everyone that asked about Xbox one and those restrictions, and he said "Not really, just to let them know that they will need an internet connection for it to work properly"
He also said that if managers are doing more than that (handing papers, trying to talk people out of Xbox ect.) it may be just at store level. Nothing from corporate on that yet.
Flightmare
Member
Talked to a GS in Norway, half of their stock of ps4 was already preordered, while only one guy had preordered the xbone. There was no interest in the system
Maybe it was a panic thing by the guys on that store and since then they realized they were being silly?
eddfromtheriver
Banned
I find it funny that a lot of posters are typing "gamespot" instead of "gamestop". lol
Where's that fabled flyer!
Where's that fabled flyer!
I have not seen a flyer, was in a small Gamestop today but are people really going through the motions of playing internet badass and calling out for the flyer?
Really?
As if anyone could not print something out and take a picture, or of someone did have a legit flyer from a Gamestop in question people would say it was shopped or just something printed out (which it would be because obviously it is not company policy and if a store or some stores had flyers it was something a manager did which is their thing if they want to do it).
So sitting in here saying "where is the flyer?" really makes you look pretty foolish.
Really?
As if anyone could not print something out and take a picture, or of someone did have a legit flyer from a Gamestop in question people would say it was shopped or just something printed out (which it would be because obviously it is not company policy and if a store or some stores had flyers it was something a manager did which is their thing if they want to do it).
So sitting in here saying "where is the flyer?" really makes you look pretty foolish.
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Deleted member 17706
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Sony has said that they aren't allowing online passes anymore now that they are charging for online play on PSN. The only way publishers are going to be able to prevent used sales is by running their own servers and account system like in an MMORPG.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Ill just add my two cents. I went in and traded some stuff in Friday to pay for the last of us I had on preorder and talked to the reps about next gen. They asked if I had preordered either of them and said yup, on amazon like 15 minutes after the conference was over, the ps4 conference.
I asked them specifically about this thread and they said they had not had anything "official" come down but there were 4 employees talking to various customers and they certainly were praising the ps4 well above the Xbox one. I asked the guy I was speaking with what the preorder numbers were like. He checked his book and said the ps4s were gone but they had plenty of slots left for their Xbox preorders. Not sure how many they are getting of each I just found that in line with what we already know.
I didn't see any flyer either so I think I call bs on that, and even if there was a flyer it was probably made by someone on their own accord and not a corporate approved thing. DFW here.
I asked them specifically about this thread and they said they had not had anything "official" come down but there were 4 employees talking to various customers and they certainly were praising the ps4 well above the Xbox one. I asked the guy I was speaking with what the preorder numbers were like. He checked his book and said the ps4s were gone but they had plenty of slots left for their Xbox preorders. Not sure how many they are getting of each I just found that in line with what we already know.
I didn't see any flyer either so I think I call bs on that, and even if there was a flyer it was probably made by someone on their own accord and not a corporate approved thing. DFW here.
VirtuaGrant
Member
I know this isn't GameStop, but I was in Game in the UK on Friday and while making my purchase the employees asked if I wanted to preorder the PS4.
I asked, out of curiosity, why they didn't ask me about the Xbox One. During the ensuing conversation the phrases 'clusterfuck' and 'shit the bed' were used to describe Microsoft's handling of everything so far.
Far from store policy I'm sure but if employees are discouraging people on a wide scale Microsoft have a serious problem.
I asked, out of curiosity, why they didn't ask me about the Xbox One. During the ensuing conversation the phrases 'clusterfuck' and 'shit the bed' were used to describe Microsoft's handling of everything so far.
Far from store policy I'm sure but if employees are discouraging people on a wide scale Microsoft have a serious problem.
I wonder after the Xbox reversal, in the coming days, if the numbers jump up like MS execs hope for.
Will same policies (although them saying this is their policy for now, and who knows if they'll change their mind again soon or down the road) as Sony, will people flock to the system yet it costs 100 dollars more?
Will same policies (although them saying this is their policy for now, and who knows if they'll change their mind again soon or down the road) as Sony, will people flock to the system yet it costs 100 dollars more?
Not quite. Preorders for the 180 will rise, however.