This is a national problem.
More at link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Additional source:
http://abc7.com/news/new-video-shows-portion-of-deadly-fresno-police-shooting/1416666/
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Video shows cops fatally shooting Calif. teen on ground
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This is a national problem.
More at link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw
Additional source:
http://abc7.com/news/new-video-shows-portion-of-deadly-fresno-police-shooting/1416666/
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If you read the story, it sounds like a suicide by cop though...
That case seems sketchy based on the guy's behavior - I don't think you can fault the cops.He kept hiding his hands in his waistband multiple times, and hiding his hand behind his back.
That case seems sketchy based on the guy's behavior - I don't think you can fault the cops.He kept hiding his hands in his waistband multiple times, and hiding his hand behind his back.
ReadingRambo
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Reads like it might have been suicide by cop.
ReplacementPelican
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The very fact that people are casual about the phrase 'suicide by cop' is mind-boggling to me.
right. that shouldnt be a phenomenon. Why cant there be a peaceful resolution. Has it gotten so bad that officers cannot try to reach a peaceful resolution? Especially when they outnumber a suspect why arent they in cover and speaking to the guy.
cr0w
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Snkfanatic
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I just...I can't at this part of the article
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If a guy is purposely hiding his hand in his waistband, making sudden movements, it's not unreasonable to expect that as an outcome.
There's another thread where I just talked about garnishing cops wages for shooting people - I'm not one way or another, but this absolutely looks like this guy wanted the outcome himself. Is it an acceptable outcome by this 19 year old to put his death on other people?
It's a suicide method, it's not magically invented, and don't think people take it lightly, it's shitty all around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop
wesleyshark
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Suicide by cop.
RumblingRosco
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You guys have a point - maybe it was a "suicide by cop" based on the victim supposedly stating he wasn't happy with his life while reaching behind his back (which apparently happened before his video). However, once he was on the ground and had two bullet holes in him, I can't really see the argument that he was reaching for a gun in or around his waistband. Seriously, if you were on the ground bleeding out, how rational would you be? Could you possibly be moving your hands around to try and stop the bleeding (putting some pressure to the wounds)? Could you be having death throes?
I'm skeptical that after shooting the teenager two times, the cops couldn't have found another solution besides shooting him two more times. Why not back away so he can't shoot them (by getting behind their vehicles)? Why not move in on him and subdue him; he wasn't going to put up much resistance having been shot twice already. I just don't see why the cops were in a hurry to move to that distance in regards to the victim's position; at that distance, they 1) are too far to physically restrain him but 2) are close and exposed enough to put themselves at risk of being shot (if the victim had in fact possessed a weapon).
Obviously, I'm basing all this on the short written report and the short video clip, but it just seems like a mishandled situation at the best.
I'm skeptical that after shooting the teenager two times, the cops couldn't have found another solution besides shooting him two more times. Why not back away so he can't shoot them (by getting behind their vehicles)? Why not move in on him and subdue him; he wasn't going to put up much resistance having been shot twice already. I just don't see why the cops were in a hurry to move to that distance in regards to the victim's position; at that distance, they 1) are too far to physically restrain him but 2) are close and exposed enough to put themselves at risk of being shot (if the victim had in fact possessed a weapon).
Obviously, I'm basing all this on the short written report and the short video clip, but it just seems like a mishandled situation at the best.
old manatee
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An unarmed man committed suicide by cop. Fascinating.
The victim was unhappy! We had to defend ourselves
ReplacementPelican
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It's a suicide method in the US. The fact that the police felt vindicated shooting someone who had no apparent weapon just a presumed one because he seemed threatening and walked towards them is crazy. I get that Americans can and do have guns but realistically this wouldn't happen in many other developed countries. I guess maybe American police are paranoid because of the proliferation of guns and will just shoot in situations like this.
I mean, it's not acceptable to do this even if he 'wanted to die'. Depression is a treatable psychological condition. He was only a kid for God's sake.
EDIT: I see you edited your comment.
old manatee
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I did not edit that comment. I added the second comment.
I just don't think that unarmed mentally ill people should be put down using the same method that is used for rabid animals.
ReadingRambo
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That's not at all how it works. Mentally ill people understand that police will shoot if they think you are drawing on them and so they mime it or in many cases actually do draw on them with the intention of being killed.
And yes, that means police kill crazy people. It's a very shitty situation.
Palette Swap
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It's completely fucked up that the use of lethal force is viewed as such a casual outcome. Poor kid.
Mammoth Jones
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Reaching into anything is not justifiable cause to shoot a man dead. If you take a oath as a law enforcement officer then you accept the risk that the job comes with.
If you're so fucking scared that you HAVE to pump shots into someone because they put their hand in an "scary place" then drive to the precinct, turn in your badge, clear out your locker. Because you are not fit to be an officer of the law. Notice that term? "Of the law". It's not "Officer of fear" or "Officer of wanting to go home". If you're not willing to take the risk take the badge off.
It's not for everyone.
If you're so fucking scared that you HAVE to pump shots into someone because they put their hand in an "scary place" then drive to the precinct, turn in your badge, clear out your locker. Because you are not fit to be an officer of the law. Notice that term? "Of the law". It's not "Officer of fear" or "Officer of wanting to go home". If you're not willing to take the risk take the badge off.
It's not for everyone.
old manatee
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This is so embarrassing that this is a thing. You poor people.
ReadingRambo
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Cops don't wait around to see what you pull out of your back pocket.
This can't be said enough. If we have cops whose first instinct is to kill anyone that acts weird because they're so petrified of being on the streets, then they're not fit for the fucking job.
old manatee
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ReadingRambo
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And depressed people know that. Hence why "suicide by cop" is a thing here.
Always-honest
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Maybe it's time to train for a different outcome of these situations, USA police...
This is waaaaay beyond embarrassing and waaay beyond worrying..
This is waaaaay beyond embarrassing and waaay beyond worrying..
lightskintwin
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but.... but... the good cops.
ReadingRambo
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How do you train cops not to do this in a society in which literally anyone can be armed and loaded with armor piercing rounds?
PrivateWHudson
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old manatee
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Taser, night stick, rubber bullets, beanbag rounds, tear gas.
You know, the stuff they use on people who protest police abuse.
Source please. And I will not accept fictional TV shows.
Or the cops can shoot them in the arm or leg, I mean you dont have to shoot anybody multiple times before you even see a weapon.
If a person pulls a weapon out and is about to point it, ok that maybe a different story
Alex_Mexico
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I cant watch the video at work. Was this guy white or black?
old manatee
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mentally ill.
TheAbsolution
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I generally agree with you but if you're going to shoot someone, you go for center mass.
ReadingRambo
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Are you trying to suggest that Suicide by Cop is not a real thing or what? It's an actual official cause of death that can be ruled. I'm not some apologist, I'm just informing you as you seem to think it's made up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop
Alex_Mexico
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Im asking because of the Black Lives Movement and if this incident will ignite more of this conversation of cops mistreating minorities.
old manatee
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ReadingRambo
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If you click the story in the OP there's a big picture for you to see.
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I don't know what to say anymore. Case by case basis sure, but I'm so tired of these stories.
All I can say is, he was definitely no threat for the last round of fire. I'm not trained, but there was some bad judgement here.
All I can say is, he was definitely no threat for the last round of fire. I'm not trained, but there was some bad judgement here.
wesleyshark
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Irrelevant. It was a suicide by cop.
What did he mean by this?
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Suicide by cop usually involves an actual threat. Pick up a rock at least
Adjusting your belt is apparently enough to trigger a cop's shoot-or-shoot response
Adjusting your belt is apparently enough to trigger a cop's shoot-or-shoot response
Alex_Mexico
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I just said Im at work and can't open the link.
ReadingRambo
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Neogaf is fine but news sites are out? He's white.
The question isn't whether this was suicide by cop it's whether the officers had sufficient justification.
From appearances I think that's questionable unless there's evidence he started to produce an actual weapon vs simply making hand guestures.
Officers should have responsibility to take suicide by cop into account and seek peaceful resolution of possible unless truly threatened.
From appearances I think that's questionable unless there's evidence he started to produce an actual weapon vs simply making hand guestures.
Officers should have responsibility to take suicide by cop into account and seek peaceful resolution of possible unless truly threatened.
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