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dex3108 · Feb 1, 2017

A Dallas, Texas jury today awarded half a billion dollars to ZeniMax after finding that Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey failed to comply with a non-disclosure agreement he signed.

The jury also said that Oculus did not misappropriate trade secrets as contended by ZeniMax.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/1/14474198/oculus-lawsuit-verdict

Obliterator · Feb 1, 2017

Well damn, that's a lot of money

A Dallas, Texas jury today awarded half a billion dollars to ZeniMax after finding that Oculus co-founder Palmer Luckey failed to comply with a non-disclosure agreement he signed.

The jury also said that Oculus did not misappropriate trade secrets as contended by ZeniMax.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/1/14474198/oculus-lawsuit-verdict

SliceSabre · Feb 1, 2017

I'm not surprised at all ZeniMax effectively won.

bluexy · Feb 1, 2017

That's a pretty good deal.

Compsiox · Feb 1, 2017

So Carmack is fine?

Åesop · Feb 1, 2017

top kek ( ͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡°) is facebook getting rid of him now?

Acquiescence · Feb 1, 2017

You could say he's not so... Luckey?

marrec · Feb 1, 2017

SliceSabre said:
I'm not surprised at all ZeniMax effectively won.

Well, the Jury found that they did not misappropriate trade secrets which would have been a big win.

Åesop;229525025 said:
top kek ( ͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡°) is facebook getting rid of him now?

What? No.

Trojita · Feb 1, 2017

I thought they were going to win.

Toki767 · Feb 1, 2017

That doesn't seem like that much.

Schadenfreude · Feb 1, 2017

Conflicted. Palmer Luckey is a scuzzbag but wasn't this whole lawsuit basically patent trolling?

Nirolak · Feb 1, 2017

Probably not worth appealing. That's a very light sentence.

Geek · Feb 1, 2017

Toki767 said:
That doesn't seem like that much.

Can I borrow some money

Duxxy3 · Feb 1, 2017

Holy shit. Will Oculus stay in business after that sort of loss? I know they're owned by Facebook, but that's a huge settlement.

marrec · Feb 1, 2017

Toki767 said:
That doesn't seem like that much.

I mean, it's effectively 12% of what they asked for.

Zackat · Feb 1, 2017

Palmer Luckey is a mess.

Apathy · Feb 1, 2017

They originally asked for 2 billion and got 500 million. It's a shit ton of money but I wonder if they are satisfied only getting 500m

diaspora · Feb 1, 2017

Schadenfreude said:
Conflicted. Palmer Luckey is a scuzzbag but wasn't this whole lawsuit basically patent trolling?

Not really. AFAIK Carmack took a bunch of shit with him from Zenimax to Oculus. That's bullshit no matter how you slice it.

SEGAvangelist · Feb 1, 2017

So do we think that ZeniMax games could come to Oculus now?

Nirolak · Feb 1, 2017

Apathy said:
They originally asked for 2 billion and got 500 million. It's a shit ton of money but I wonder if they are satisfied only getting 500m

ZeniMax isn't a huge company. They can do a lot with that, and got paid for a business line they had no interest in following.

Rezae · Feb 1, 2017

I've read through all this and I still don't know what to make of it. That's a lot of dough.

Scrawnton · Feb 1, 2017

Apathy said:
They originally asked for 2 billion and got 500 million. It's a shit ton of money but I wonder if they are satisfied only getting 500m

Maybe they aimed high so they could get awarded a fraction of it?

lazygecko · Feb 1, 2017

So they won the lawsuit, but John Carmack's actions are in the clear?

Aztechnology · Feb 1, 2017

Toki767 said:
That doesn't seem like that much.

Much more than Oculus is currently worth lol (If we go off of sales, and not what it was purchased for). Zenimax wasn't going to do anything with it either. Effectively Zenimax just got a huge profit from doing jack all.

Netherscourge · Feb 1, 2017

Toki767 said:
That doesn't seem like that much.

Zuckerberg already paid 2 billion for it.

Another $500 mil to buy out the lawsuit ain't much I guess.

dex3108 · Feb 1, 2017

Man Palmer Luckey costed Facebook so much.

Justinh · Feb 1, 2017

Toki767 said:
That doesn't seem like that much.

I mean... I guess compared to 4 billion dollars, I think it was, they were seeking... yeah I could see that as somewhat favorable (again, compared to etc).

blu · Feb 1, 2017

marrec said:
I mean, it's effectively 12% of what they asked for.

Didn't they ask for 2B?

NinjaCoachZ · Feb 1, 2017

The next Oculus is going to be a cardboard box with an iPhone shoved into it.

SlimySnake · Feb 1, 2017

diaspora said:
Not really. AFAIK Carmack took a bunch of shit with him from Zenimax to Oculus. That's bullshit no matter how you slice it.

The jury also said that Oculus did not misappropriate trade secrets as contended by ZeniMax.

From the OP. it seems they didnt find any evidence of that.

TheBowen · Feb 1, 2017

Christ that's a lot

Could have been worse though considering the whole stolen assets debacle

Turin Turambar · Feb 1, 2017

diaspora said:
Not really. AFAIK Carmack took a bunch of shit with him from Zenimax to Oculus. That's bullshit no matter how you slice it.

Yes, but $500 million? I doubt the entire id company was bought for that price, I would say much less.

Hell, do you think the profits of Oculus are near that amount? They haven't sold a lot of units.

Lanrutcon · Feb 1, 2017

Carmack vindicated.

BitStyle · Feb 1, 2017

Luckey can hold that L

Nirolak · Feb 1, 2017

blu said:
Didn't they ask for 2B?

Plus 2 billion in punitive damages, for a total of 4 billion.

FrontalMonk · Feb 1, 2017

diaspora said:
Not really. AFAIK Carmack took a bunch of shit with him from Zenimax to Oculus. That's bullshit no matter how you slice it.

The part I don't understand is why award 500mil in damages if you didn't actually misappropriate trade secrets? I thought that was the whole thrust of the suit.

marrec · Feb 1, 2017

blu said:
Didn't they ask for 2B?

I thought they upped it to 4bn before the Jury went to deliberate.

Nirolak said:
Plus 2 billion in punitive damages, for a total of 4 billion.

Ah.

Maxinas · Feb 1, 2017

That one guy who hates both of these companies must be jolly right now. Oculus got screwed out of 500M and ZeniMax only got 12.5% of what they initially wanted.

Vaporak · Feb 1, 2017

diaspora said:
Not really. AFAIK Carmack took a bunch of shit with him from Zenimax to Oculus. That's bullshit no matter how you slice it.

You might want to reread the OP:

The jury also said that Oculus did not misappropriate trade secrets as contended by ZeniMax

The jury seems to disagree with you and with Zenimax, so legally no Carmack didn't.

blu · Feb 1, 2017

Nirolak said:
Plus 2 billion in punitive damages, for a total of 4 billion.

marrec said:
I thought they upped it to 4bn before the Jury went to deliberate.

Ah, thanks for the heads-up.

kadab · Feb 1, 2017

Zenimax HQ

Coffee Dog · Feb 1, 2017

If Carmack didn't take anything why did Zenimax get paid? I thought Carmack taking his work from Zenimax to Oculus was the brunt of the suit.

dh4niel · Feb 1, 2017

Luckey fucked up... again.

Obliterator · Feb 1, 2017

Oculus got off relatively lightly considering just how much ZeniMax was asking for.

That said for a company like ZeniMax $500 million is a massive cash influx for them. They can do a hell of a lot with that kind of money.

Jarmel · Feb 1, 2017

Seems like a win-win. Zenimax got money for something they didn't spend a dime on other than the laywers. Oculus gets to claim they didn't misapropriate trade secrets and also aren't dinged too heavily.

The only loser was Facebook. lol

Kodiak · Feb 1, 2017

So Oculus losing half a Bil... with a big company like Facebook hoping to recoup their investment in the company, I could see Oculus (or parts of Oculus) getting sold, especially with competition so fierce.

marrec · Feb 1, 2017

Maxinas said:
That one guy who hates both of these companies must be jolly right now. Oculus got screwed out of 500M and ZeniMax only got 12.5% of what they initially wanted.

Zenimax is valued at just over 2.5bn so 500m ain't nothing to sneeze at.

BronsonLee · Feb 1, 2017

Oculus got off light

18-Volt · Feb 1, 2017

Wow, that's lot of money. They should make a Quake 5 with that.

MrTroubleMaker · Feb 1, 2017

to bad it wasn't more

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