http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/24/14734926/zenimax-injunction-block-sale-of-oculus-vr
fuck facebook/oculus but that last bit sucks for devs
fuck facebook/oculus but that last bit sucks for devs
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ZeniMax asks court to block sales of Oculus headsets
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OmegaSmash
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Wait, I thought that the code being stolen WASN'T proven?
the jury found for the plaintiffs (zenimax)
but for breaking NDA
they have a very fat judgement and are probably just trying to wring an even fatter settlement/patent license from facebook. this injunction is a very big stick to hold over their heads.
DOBERMAN INC
Member
I thought the court already agreed that no stolen code was used in the Oculus development and only a broken NDA was agreed upon.
elrechazado
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What are you talking about? Classy? It's a required financial disclosure Facebook is making to its shareholders. Look up materiality and public accounting.
OmegaSmash
Member
That's what I understood as well, but the injunction mentions copyrighted code as a reason to block sales. Which, as far as I remember, wasn't proven.
Tripolygon
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Na dude already made out like bandit.
I was specifically referring to the obvious subtext.
elrechazado
Banned
The subtext you made up by not understanding public disclosure?
WooHooAlex
Member
Savage
that's the one
outunderthestars
Banned
From what I have seen,I don't think you need a judge to block sales of Oculus,consumers are doing a good job of that on their own.
Palmer "NimbleRichMan" Luckey and Facebook's DRM also helped.
Glitchesarecool
Member
They're not taking the money out of his pocket, you know.
Ouch, way to kick them while they're down.
MadJackChurchill
Banned
Oculus is flagging big time anyway. Vive and PSVR have done modestly.
Hypothetically, if this goes through then it could do a damage to the VR medium. Vive is incredibly, and PSVR only works on PS4, so Oculus is the only real option most people have on PC to get access to VR gaming. I hope this doesn't come to pass, even though Oculus totally fucked on this. I don't want VR to sink because of this.
no, they found them guilty of breaking NDA and breaking copyright. 50 million of the verdict was from copyright infringement.
the only thing they absolved them of, was stealing trade secrets, which is not the same as breaking copyright. This entire new thing is based on the ruling with regard to the copyright infringement.
Maximus.
Member
It's a business. It has shareholders it needs to appease. It needs to ensure they know things are fine. Business isn't all roses and daisies.
It's not at all petty.
Not across the board, none of the copyright or stolen code claims were found in their favour.
As a result, I expect this won't happen. Zenimax probably just felt they had to try.
Edit: As mentioned below, I'm wrong. ignore me!
LudicrousSpeed
Member
You're wrong. $50m of the award was because of copyright violations. They did, in fact, find that Oculus stole code.
What you're confusing is that the jury didn't find them guilty of stealing trade secrets, which is a different thing.
â Narayan
Member
Consider what was stated by the defendant regarding the jury's verdict. It's really not so petty when they flaunt themselves in such a manner.
1st Course
Member
How many Oculus users are even there at this point? Seems everyone on PSVR/Vive
demigod
Member
It's only petty if you own an oculus. Better sell that shit on ebay!
Stilton Disco
Member
Honestly hope this goes through.
Given what a bunch of shitheads the Oculus higher ups are, and there being both a better PC option available with the Vive and more affordable products in PSVR and mobile phone dock headsets, the whole company getting shuttered would have no real downsides.
Given what a bunch of shitheads the Oculus higher ups are, and there being both a better PC option available with the Vive and more affordable products in PSVR and mobile phone dock headsets, the whole company getting shuttered would have no real downsides.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I'm on Oculus side on this, despite Luckey being a complete fuckstick.
NDA's and Non-compete type agreements are bullshit when used against people like this.
ZeniMax is making out like a bandit from the ideas of people who left their company. Oculus took the risk that ZeniMax didn't want to take.. and now that Oculus got bought for billions.. Zeni is jealous and using the NDAs against them.
They never truly proved Oculus out-right used their code.
So they won for somehow still owning the minds of people who left their company. Fuck that shit.
NDA's and Non-compete type agreements are bullshit when used against people like this.
ZeniMax is making out like a bandit from the ideas of people who left their company. Oculus took the risk that ZeniMax didn't want to take.. and now that Oculus got bought for billions.. Zeni is jealous and using the NDAs against them.
They never truly proved Oculus out-right used their code.
So they won for somehow still owning the minds of people who left their company. Fuck that shit.
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Oculus was found guilty of copyright infringment with Zenimax code.
The only thing they were found not guilty was the stealing trade secrets.
its in the article in the OP. You can read it.
nothing definitive out there but it seems rift is roughly about 30% of the high end vr market. vive kind of ate its lunch but it's still a player, future of VR still has a lot riding on it
This is not an accurate interpretation of events.
LudicrousSpeed
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Once again, no, they did not. Zenimax was specifically awarded $50m for copyright infringement stemming from instances of Oculus stealing code.
That is specifically why Zenimax is making this motion. The judgement affirmed that Oculus did steal code and assigned damages for that theft in Oculus' past business dealings. Their ongoing business is going to continue infringing upon Zenimax's copyright until they either strike a licensing deal to pay Zenimax for the code stolen on an ongoing basis, to have that finding overturned on appeal, or assemble a cleanroom team that can rewrite the infringing areas in such a way as to remove the stolen code.
Interficium
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Can anyone confirm this person had their user title before this gem or is the one that did it.