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15 year old girl beaten as security guards look on

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WTF? What are they being paid to do? And why doesnt ANYBODY do something? The police in the Macys also failed. This girl will never trust a cop again.

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SEATTLE – A 15-year-old girl who was badly beaten and robbed in a Seattle bus tunnel as three unarmed security guards looked on told investigators that she thought the men would protect her.

The statements were revealed in court papers filed Wednesday against the teen girl accused of attacking her and the three young men accused of stealing her purse, phone and iPod. The four were all charged with first-degree robbery.

The victim told a King County sheriff's detective that the group followed her from a nearby department store into the bus tunnel at Westlake Station on Jan. 28, and she deliberately stood next to the three guards.

The guards didn't intervene, though. They have standing orders to "observe and report," so they called police but did nothing else as another 15-year-old girl punched and repeatedly kicked the victim in the head.


Government officials as well as executives at Olympic Security Services Inc., which employs the guards, are reviewing that protocol after the guards' response was caught on surveillance video.

"I went to the security and told them that these kids were trying to jump me," the girl said. "I know that I am about to get jumped and I am hanging around the guards to try and get protection. ... I thought the security guards would defend me."

The girl, who is black, also told the detective that the altercation began at a nearby department store, where some in the group made threatening comments that she had "nice things" and that she acts "white."

Two Seattle police officers noticed the escalating situation and kicked the group out of the Macy's, then brought the girl and her friend to another exit, the victim said. She reported that she asked the officers for an escort to the bus tunnel, just below the department store, but the officers refused.

"Had these officers known what was to transpire, they probably would have paid for a cab for this victim to be taken safely to her home, but they didn't know. They broke up a couple of disturbances and provided the victim an opportunity to leave the area via bus," said Sgt. Sean Whitcomb, a Seattle police spokesman.

One of the defendants, Dominique Whitaker, told detectives that earlier in the evening the victim had pepper-sprayed another person in the group.

The victim, who reported that she lost consciousness during the attack, was not hospitalized. She said she has a potentially fatal heart condition, and tried to protect her chest as she was being kicked.

King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart said the guards were right to follow their training.

"If you're a bank teller and you do something other than give them the money, you're going to get fired," Urquhart said. "We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1."

Metro Transit General Manager Kevin Desmond and other King County officials were less forgiving.

"We are very disappointed in what people see in that video," Desmond said. "It was absolutely unacceptable. I know the Olympic Security folks were also disappointed in the response, but again, the employees were following the letter of the agreement."

Metro Transit contracts with the King County Sheriff's Office for 68 police officers, and supplements that force with civilian guards provided by Olympic Security Services Inc. of Tukwila, Wash. All three of the guards involved are Olympic employees.

The guards' duties include helping customers and reporting suspicious objects, disruptive behavior and equipment problems.

Olympic Security President Mark Vinson did not immediately return calls seeking comment, but Desmond said the company is quickly working up a proposed contract revision, which could include additional training and new guidelines on how and when guards should intervene.

Other options include hiring armed guards.

Unarmed guards could put themselves and others at risk if they intervene in certain situations. But this incident was largely a fight between two teenage girls, and there does not appear to be any indication that the larger group would have become involved if the guards broke it up, Desmond said.

"If I was there on the platform I don't know that I would have stood there," he said. "It's their job to be down there. The people at Olympic Security had the same human response: 'Why didn't we step in to protect the girl on the ground?'"

The girl charged with being the primary attacker faces up to 2 1/2 years in juvenile detention if convicted. Whitaker, 18, and Latroy D. Hayman, 20, each face a sentence of 31 to 41 months in prison if convicted, and the third adult defendant, Tyrone J. Watson, 18, faces a sentence of 36 to 48 months in prison.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100211/ap_on_re_us/us_bus_tunnel_beating
 
Yeah I totally just saw this on another forum.

Fucking useless assholes. Also to that other guy that just came up and took the purse. Fucking ridiculous.
 
We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1

this is my favorite part. The security was outnumbered 3-to-1 by 15 year olds! :lol
 

Combine

Banned
The girl, who is black, also told the detective that the altercation began at a nearby department store, where some in the group made threatening comments that she had "nice things" and that she acts "white."
Wow, that's messed up.
 

nyong

Banned
The guards are not allowed to intervene. If they had, they may have lost their jobs. Sort of a Catch-22.

This sums it up:
"If you're a bank teller and you do something other than give them the money, you're going to get fired," Urquhart said. "We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1."
 

Silent Death

lemme get one or two licks
nyong said:
The guards are not allowed to intervene. If they had, they may have lost their jobs. Sort of a Catch-22.



Yes, people mistake security guards for police there is a difference.
 

KnightM7

Banned
Thats really odd. So Club bouncers do more to protect the public than actual security guards?

*reads article more

Oooh ok, security guards are just there to protect the merchandise, they couldnt care less about the people.
 
nyong said:
The guards are not allowed to intervene. If they had, they may have lost their jobs. Sort of a Catch-22.
I hate to say it, but your right. I know all too well how expendable unarmed security guards are and how incredibly shitty the pay can be.

They would have gotten fired or hurt because of an altercation and they'd be out of a crappy near minimum wage job. I would have done something if given the chance, but not everyone is willing to put their food and living on the line.

Fuck those kids and fuck the bystanders who could have done something(they wouldn't get fired).
 

slit

Member
nyong said:
The guards are not allowed to intervene. If they had, they may have lost their jobs. Sort of a Catch-22.

Sometimes you need to just be a human being and stand up for whats right. If I just stood there and watched something like that happen I wouldn't be able to look myself in the face anymore.
 
It's hard to blame the guards though. I've heard of situations similar to this one where the guards did intervene. They get congratulated, and then fired for not following company policy. Then they have a black mark on their resume for the rest of their lives. Sometimes company policy fucks over people no matter what happens.

Of course in this case it's pretty ridiculous. They could have simply walked over and lifted the attacking girl off the other one. Pretty nonviolent response was all that was necessary.
 

Dead Man

Member
slit said:
Sometimes you need to just be a human being and stand up for whats right. If I just stood there and watched something like that happen I wouldn't be able to look myself in the face anymore.
Meh, easy to say when you don't stand to lose your job and your ability to feed your kids. I know it sucks, but that is what the litigation happy society gets us. In lots of jobs, that which is not your exact role, is prohibited.
 

Firestorm

Member
At the store I worked, security would likely break up the fight and if security was in a fight, a code was called and all able bodied staff went to help.
 

nyong

Banned
slit said:
Sometimes you need to just be a human being and stand up for whats right. If I just stood there and watched something like that happen I wouldn't be able to look myself in the face anymore.
Perhaps, but the chances of the pack turning on them are excellent, practically guaranteed. The kicker at University of Oregon was recently beaten until unconscious (critical condition) for trying to break up a fight.

Getting shot: a possibility. I don't blame them for staying out of the way.
 
If what I'm assuming are the "security guards" (those in the neon vests) are the guards, they really should change their title and what they're wearing.

If they just report problems and "help" people as the article said, well then don't reference their role as a guard of anything. They ultimately are just transit employees who have certain duties, but to suggest they provide security to the public, obviously as this case shows, puts people in danger.
 

KevinCow

Banned
I love that we live in a society where people aren't allowed to be decent human beings for fear of getting fired or sued.
 

slit

Member
nyong said:
Perhaps, but the chances of the pack turning on them are excellent, practically guaranteed. The kicker at University of Oregon was recently beaten until unconscious (critical condition) for trying to break up a fight.

Getting shot: a possibility. I don't blame them for staying out of the way.

Then why even call them guards, they are just useless props. I am just someone that would help out of instinct. What happened to someone at a far away university wouldn't even cross my mind.
 
slit said:
Sometimes you need to just be a human being and stand up for whats right. If I just stood there and watched something like that happen I wouldn't be able to look myself in the face anymore.
i feel bad for the security guards. doing "what's right" could mean they're out of a job and their family starves in a tough economy.

the cops on the other hand, they should have done a better job.
 

nib95

Banned
Fire both of those dumb mother fuckers. Job description or not, there's a thing called a general moral code of conduct and helping one's neighbors.
 
As a former security guard, I have to say they did the 'right' thing. Not in a moral sense of course, but as far as their jobs go, that's what they're supposed to do. Security Guards are a visual deterrant (which obviously didn't work this time around) and are taught to observe & report, not take on police duty and break up fights, etc.

All security guards are also discouraged from performing citizen's arrests unless absolutely necessary (which I had to once, which led to a lawsuit, blah blah... fortunately my company took care of it but it was still a fucking headache when all I was trying to do was help).
 
slit said:
Then why even call them guards, they are just useless props. I am just someone that would help out of instinct. What happened to someone at a far away university wouldn't even cross my mind.
They are more like merchandise guards to me. Need to have the security part of the job name cut off and replaced with merchandise.
 

Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
security guards cant and shouldn't be allowed to intervene in such affairs.

if they did do something, they would have been fired and possibly charged, they aren't police, they're walking insurance breaks. they did the right thing.
 

Deku

Banned
'standing orders to observe and report'

probably private security protecting someone else's property, and liability issues prevented them from intervening.

Welcome to America
 

X26

Banned
Revolutionary said:
As a former security guard, I have to say they did the 'right' thing. Not in a moral sense of course, but as far as their jobs go, that's what they're supposed to do. Security Guards are a visual deterrant (which obviously didn't work this time around) and are taught to observe & report, not take on police duty and break up fights, etc.

All security guards are also discouraged from performing citizen's arrests unless absolutely necessary (which I had to once, which led to a lawsuit, blah blah... fortunately my company took care of it but it was still a fucking headache when all I was trying to do was help).

did this for a summer and it's easily the worst job I've ever had
 
"If you're a bank teller and you do something other than give them the money, you're going to get fired," Urquhart said. "We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1."

Does not fucking compute! You have security guard in banks with GUNS! Don't mistake tellers for authority. Tellers are like those boothboys who sit and give you the tokens. Security guard = Security Guard! Name them "Observing people with yellow vests" if that's the case for they can't guard or secure for SHIT!!

The best they could do is push the other kids away from the perimeter/vicinity. It's their job, as far as I fucking know, not NOT only observe/report but to stop any violent/physical act from happening. They couldn't just pin them down under the good Samaritan act or whatever the fuck that is? They couldn't just tell those 3 bitches to leave?

Fuck... bunch of pussies, I tell you.

EDIT: I know, I know, security guards ain't suppose to do shit but atleast they could have protected the girl by guarding her. Standing ahead of those girls was the only thing they needed to do before the fists start crashing in. Hell, this fight could've been prevented if they stood in front of them cause they would have to go through them to beat her up.
 

Dresden

Member
slit said:
Then why even call them guards, they are just useless props. I am just someone that would help out of instinct. What happened to someone at a far away university wouldn't even cross my mind.
Security guards usually ARE props. They're there as deterrence, nothing more.

It does seem rather douchey of them, though. They could easily have just pulled the girl out and led her away somewhere. No action needed against the douchebags that were robbing her. But in their shoes... who knows? Their jobs might be on the line and they were looking around seeing that no one else was helping either. What was it called in psychology, the bystander effect? Something like that, it's been way too long since Psych 105. :lol
 

Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
Deku said:
'standing orders to observe and report'

probably private security protecting someone else's property, and liability issues prevented them from intervening.

Welcome to America
and canada too.

that's why we lost so many first timers to gigs in the mental wards. hard to explain 'observe and report' to someone whose unbalanced and liable to stab you with the first pointy object they find. they'd either be abused by the patients and quit or mess up, fight back and be fired. sad state of affairs and a serious fuck up by our offices training staff. not like we had any real training anyway.
 

KevinCow

Banned
Pandaman said:
security guards cant and shouldn't be allowed to intervene in such affairs.

if they did do something, they would have been fired and possibly charged, they aren't police, they're walking insurance breaks. they did the right thing.

No they didn't. They did the thing that will most likely lead to a better outcome for themselves, but it sure as fuck wasn't the right thing.
 

CassSept

Member
KevinCow said:
I love that we live in a society where people aren't allowed to be decent human beings for fear of getting fired or sued.
This, if they actually intervened they would probably be fired, or even sued, for not properly fulfilling their job.
 
Revolutionary said:
As a former security guard, I have to say they did the 'right' thing. Not in a moral sense of course, but as far as their jobs go, that's what they're supposed to do. Security Guards are a visual deterrant (which obviously didn't work this time around) and are taught to observe & report, not take on police duty and break up fights, etc.

All security guards are also discouraged from performing citizen's arrests unless absolutely necessary (which I had to once, which led to a lawsuit, blah blah... fortunately my company took care of it but it was still a fucking headache when all I was trying to do was help).


So it seems a surprising amount of people are completely cool with the fact that the "guards" let this 15 yo girl get her ass kicked right next to them.

So let's change the scenario...Is it still the right thing to do if it was a 7 yo girl (or younger) getting their ass kicked by a group of older kids?

Seriously, when does frickin common sense come into play? Help protect those that can't protect themselves? When does someone stand up and be an adult? And this talk about them losing their jobs....Seriously, I mean, how much does this type of shitty security guard make? We aren't talking 6/7 figures here...Maybe what, 10 an hr? Find another job where you aren't required to be a fucking low-life at someone else's expense.
 

slit

Member
KevinCow said:
No they didn't. They did the thing that will most likely lead to a better outcome for themselves, but it sure as fuck wasn't the right thing.
Exactly, and fuck the "security guards" other people were there and did nothing but stare like sheep.
 

Dice

Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
"If you're a bank teller and you do something other than give them the money, you're going to get fired," Urquhart said. "We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1."
BULLSHIT

This girl is being kicked in the fucking head right there and you can't even put yourself between their foot and her head? You don't have to kick their ass or anything, but if you get attacked for getting in the way then it would be self-defense, wouldn't it?
 

KevinCow

Banned
I like the guy in the video who picks up her bag from the street.

"Oh hey, even if he's not breaking up the fight, at least someone is helping in some way. Picking up her bag from the street so it doesn't get run... oh. Oh wait. No, he's stealing it."

God, I hate people.
 

wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
nyong said:
The guards are not allowed to intervene. If they had, they may have lost their jobs. Sort of a Catch-22.

This sums it up:


Ehhh sometimes shit is black and white. I'm sorry, but you see something like that happen my theoretical family is going to have to understand even just on a basic level another defenseless person is on the ground being beaten...I need to do something for that not to happen my own safety is about half of what I think about the safety of that other person should be.

Banks are just in a separate category...money is nothing, give the robber all they want I don't give a crap, but you help someone especially in a situation like that.
 

Dead Man

Member
OJdaKiller said:
So it seems a surprising amount of people are completely cool with the fact that the "guards" let this 15 yo girl get her ass kicked right next to them.

So let's change the scenario...Is it still the right thing to do if it was a 7 yo girl (or younger) getting their ass kicked by a group of older kids?

Seriously, when does frickin common sense come into play? Help protect those that can't protect themselves? When does someone stand up and be an adult? And this talk about them losing their jobs....Seriously, I mean, how much does this type of shitty security guard make? We aren't talking 6/7 figures here...Maybe what, 10 an hr? Find another job where you aren't required to be a fucking low-life at someone else's expense.
If you want them to act like cops, pay them like cops, and give them the authority of cops. If you think they should have acted as regular citizens, how about you rag on all the other people around who didn't help? You really expect someone to jump in when they have been told explicitly not to or its their job? And then don't expect people without their job at stake to help?
 
Dice said:
BULLSHIT

This girl is being kicked in the fucking head right there and you can't even put yourself between their foot and her head? You don't have to kick their ass or anything, but if you get attacked for getting in the way then it would be self-defense, wouldn't it?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Couldn't they just circle that girl and not let anyone get to her, and then escort her out of the bus tunnel (or in a bus) where she is on her own? I mean if they escort her and someone pushes them outta the way, I'm sure they can push back... or will they get their asses kicked and observe?
 

.GqueB.

Banned
slit said:
Sometimes you need to just be a human being and stand up for whats right. If I just stood there and watched something like that happen I wouldn't be able to look myself in the face anymore.
In this job market? PFFT! Girl is fine anyways. And she gets immortalized on the interwebs to boot. Shes comin up Milhouse if ya ask me.
 

Dead Man

Member
shagg_187 said:
That's exactly what I'm saying. Couldn't they just circle that girl and not let anyone get to her, and then escort her out of the bus tunnel (or in a bus) where she is on her own? I mean if they escort her and someone pushes them outta the way, I'm sure they can push back... or will they get their asses kicked and observe?
In the meantime they are not where they are paid to be... and fired.
 

Pandaman

Everything is moe to me
KevinCow said:
No they didn't. They did the thing that will most likely lead to a better outcome for themselves, but it sure as fuck wasn't the right thing.
they have absolutely no training when it comes to safely subduing an attacker without causing further harm to the victim or the violator on top of this they would be effectively terminating their employment and possibly end up facing charges themselves.

they did the right thing and that was to ensure that the four responsible didn't get away with it.
 

xbhaskarx

Member
The girl, who is black, also told the detective that the altercation began at a nearby department store, where some in the group made threatening comments that she had "nice things" and that she acts "white."

Awesome
 

Deku

Banned
Pandaman said:
and canada too.

that's why we lost so many first timers to gigs in the mental wards. hard to explain 'observe and report' to someone whose unbalanced and liable to stab you with the first pointy object they find. they'd either be abused by the patients and quit or mess up, fight back and be fired. sad state of affairs and a serious fuck up by our offices training staff. not like we had any real training anyway.

if security at the mental wards can't intervene, who exactly goes in to stop the unbalanced persons?
 
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