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Thanks, bttb! :D

501-1000 might be coming, too. :)

Code:

Publisher                      # of units     # of games

Nintendo                       15,456,450     49
Square Enix                     8,641,508     34
Namco Bandai Games              7,099,989     78
Nintendo/Pokemon Co.            4,671,440      9
Konami                          4,642,387     53
Capcom                          4,446,507     35
SEGA                            3,048,887     30
Level 5                         2,408,341     10
SCEI                            1,761,038     24
Koei                            1,578,720     19
Hudson                            995,600     14
Atlus Co.                         650,197      7
Marvelous                         465,898      9

All Others                      4,419,794    129

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System  # of units    # of games

NDS     26,366,195    178
WII     12,996,230     70
PSP      9,059,275    109
PS3      7,761,352     63
PS2      2,764,000     49
360      1,314,899     30
GBA         24,805      1


First-Party

System  # of units    # of games

NDS     11,166,043     33
WII      8,937,042     24
PS3        913,630     12
PSP        847,408     12
360        240,160      7
GBA         24,805      1
PS2              0      0


Third-Party

System  # of units    # of games

NDS     15,181,842    144
PSP      8,211,867     97
PS3      6,866,032     52
WII      4,059,188     46
PS2      2,764,000     49
360      1,074,739     23
GBA              0      0
Last edited by donny2112; 05-01-2010 at 02:42 AM. Reason: Corrected platform for 124, added PS2 for 1st-party, fixed system for 470
Boonoo
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(04-30-2010, 06:39 AM)
Neat that almost have of SE's units sold came from one game.
Regulus Tera
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(04-30-2010, 06:40 AM)
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Sin and Punishment 2 did not crack the TOP 500.


Goddammit Japan.
AniHawk
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(04-30-2010, 06:40 AM)
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And this is the last time we'll see a GBA game.

303 [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) 35,231 / 1,002,048

Man, that one sure struggled to get there. I doubt SMG2 will make it.
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Kenka
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Beauty.
timetokill
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(04-30-2010, 06:44 AM)
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Wow, Nintendo really dominates...

8 of the top 10, and 18 of the top 25 are on Nintendo platforms
6 of the top 10 are Nintendo games...


FF13 and Monster Hunter broke a million... what else this generation has broken a million that isn't on a Nintendo platform?
Vic
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(04-30-2010, 06:46 AM)
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Publisher # of units # of games

Nintendo 15,456,450 49
Square Enix 8,641,508 34
Namco Bandai Games 7,099,989 78
Nintendo/Pokemon Co. 4,671,440 9
Konami 4,642,387 53
Capcom 4,446,507 35
SEGA 3,048,887 30
Level 5 2,408,341 10
SCEI 1,761,038 24
Koei 1,578,720 19
Hudson 995,600 14
Atlus Co. 650,197 7
Marvelous 465,898 9

Kinda funny to see Level 5 in that list :lol
onken
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Thanks, looking forward to 501-1000.

Originally Posted by timetokill

FF13 and Monster Hunter broke a million... what else this generation has broken a million that isn't on a Nintendo platform?

For Japan, nothing else has.
Kenka
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(04-30-2010, 06:48 AM)
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So the first Professor Layton is an officious million-seller in Japan ?
rpmurphy
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The legs on many on the list... dang.
cvxfreak
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(04-30-2010, 07:30 AM)
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The only other non-Nintendo platform million sellers I can envision that aren't Final Fantasy or Monster Hunter are Biohazard 5's various versions, and perhaps Peace Walker if it has good legs.

Originally Posted by AniHawk

And this is the last time we'll see a GBA game.

Actually, maybe not. Don't forget that Famitsu combines the Pokemon games, so their chart may also have FireRed/LeafGreen on it. And this is supposed to be a Top 1000 chart. If Pokemon Black and White can import Pokemon from the GBA games, then I can see their lives getting dragged out for another two years.
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(04-30-2010, 07:48 AM)
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

The only other non-Nintendo platform million sellers I can envision that aren't Final Fantasy or Monster Hunter are Biohazard 5's various versions, and perhaps Peace Walker if it has good legs.

GT5 bomba? Or are we only counting third party?
Nuclear Muffin
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[GBA] Pokemon Emerald (Pokemon)24,805 / 1,908,780

Holy crap, they're still tracking GBA sales? And this is still selling new!?

Man, that's staying power! :lol
mutsu
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57 [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) 200,978 / 5,150,572

Wow, this ended up at 5 million? Amazing.

I wonder if Friends Collection will end up at Animal Crossing level...
Tabris
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(04-30-2010, 08:38 AM)
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Oh shit this is a sales thread. Nevermind. You did not see a post from me *jedi mind trick*
cvxfreak
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(04-30-2010, 08:46 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

GT5 bomba? Or are we only counting third party?

It's possible, but I don't think that one is set in stone. GT4 sold 1,066,749, and only a few PS3 franchises have met their PS2 predecessors' sales. I'll have to see the hype machine that SCE builds for the game closer to release.
markot
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How much did Monsta hunta sell on the PS2?
duckroll
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(04-30-2010, 08:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

It's possible, but I don't think that one is set in stone. GT4 sold 1,066,749, and only a few PS3 franchises have met their PS2 predecessors' sales. I'll have to see the hype machine that SCE builds for the game closer to release.

Wow, you must be the only person on GAF who agrees with me what GT5 might not sell a million copies in Japan! :lol
grandjedi6
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(04-30-2010, 08:54 AM)
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Originally Posted by timetokill

Wow, Nintendo really dominates...

8 of the top 10, and 18 of the top 25 are on Nintendo platforms
6 of the top 10 are Nintendo games...

I like how Nintendo manages to be 2 of the top 10 publishers :lol
Vic
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(04-30-2010, 09:02 AM)
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Originally Posted by mutsu

Wow, this ended up at 5 million? Amazing.

I wonder if Friends Collection will end up at Animal Crossing level...

WTF? The last time I looked at Wild World numbers, it was at 3 millions :lol
cvxfreak
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(04-30-2010, 09:06 AM)
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Originally Posted by duckroll

Wow, you must be the only person on GAF who agrees with me what GT5 might not sell a million copies in Japan! :lol

Hah. The way I see it, as far as Japan is concerned, the first-third party distinction is becoming meaningless for the PSP, PS3 and 360. SCE may have built a name for itself in the PS1 that carried on into the PS2 era, but those days are long over and their franchises have shown to suffer big drops that we have few reasons to believe can be reversed. SCE is not a developer or publisher that can be placed on any special pedestal anymore. Expect a marketing blitz, some events, a few bundles and SKUs for GT5, but this is so par for the course as far as big games go. I think something like 700-800K is reasonable to predict. And then from there they can release a budget version and maybe cross the line. :lol
Nuclear Muffin
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Originally Posted by grandjedi6

I like how Nintendo manages to be 2 of the top 10 publishers :lol

Lol I didn't even think of it that way :lol
cvxfreak
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(04-30-2010, 09:15 AM)
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Originally Posted by grandjedi6

I like how Nintendo manages to be 2 of the top 10 publishers :lol

If there were a "Nintendo/Super Mario Bros. Company" distinction, then Nintendo would still be #1, Mario Co. would be #4 and Pokemon would be #5. Nintendo would occupy 3 of the top 5. (Mario games = 5,279,859 units in 2009)
timetokill
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(04-30-2010, 11:29 AM)
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

If there were a "Nintendo/Super Mario Bros. Company" distinction, then Nintendo would still be #1, Mario Co. would be #4 and Pokemon would be #5. Nintendo would occupy 3 of the top 5. (Mario games = 5,279,859 units in 2009)

That is just goddamn ridiculous :lol
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

If there were a "Nintendo/Super Mario Bros. Company" distinction, then Nintendo would still be #1, Mario Co. would be #4 and Pokemon would be #5. Nintendo would occupy 3 of the top 5. (Mario games = 5,279,859 units in 2009)

So basically we should rename it the Nintendo Games Industry.
Urban Scholar
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You really can't put things into perspective until you see some numbers but Dragon Quest IX really did top the charts.
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

Hah. The way I see it, as far as Japan is concerned, the first-third party distinction is becoming meaningless for the PSP, PS3 and 360. SCE may have built a name for itself in the PS1 that carried on into the PS2 era, but those days are long over and their franchises have shown to suffer big drops that we have few reasons to believe can be reversed. SCE is not a developer or publisher that can be placed on any special pedestal anymore. Expect a marketing blitz, some events, a few bundles and SKUs for GT5, but this is so par for the course as far as big games go. I think something like 700-800K is reasonable to predict. And then from there they can release a budget version and maybe cross the line. :lol

Do you say that on a pure sales performance sense or in a general way?

About GT5, I think they can reach one million with a big marketing push. I feel that way because there has been a long waiting for it, and I feel there could be some accumulated hype and curiosity from traditional userbase. A-spec and GT 4 had barely three years and half of difference and maybe the whole userbase were not motivated to jump in.

Not sure, I may be biased, I feel sympathy for troubled projects that get delayed once and again.

Edit: Thanks for the list bttb.
Last edited by Acosta; 04-30-2010 at 12:16 PM.
Sadist
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(04-30-2010, 12:14 PM)
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Damn.
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(04-30-2010, 12:36 PM)
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Ah, numbers. Nice.
Bananakin
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(04-30-2010, 12:46 PM)

Originally Posted by bttb

205 [NDS] Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (Nintendo) 57,012 / 4,991,999

So close. If these are 2009 sales it should have cracked 5 million by now, right?
Sammy Samusu
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(04-30-2010, 01:01 PM)
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Are you correcting typos? If so, 89 is Nintendo, not Sega.

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New Play Control was quite the thing in Japan, eh? GIVE ME WIND WAKER!
PSGames
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First-Party

System # of units # of games

NDS 11,166,043 33
WII 8,937,042 24
PS3 913,630 12
PSP 847,408 12
360 240,160 7
GBA 24,805 1


Third-Party

System # of units # of games

NDS 15,102,892 144
PSP 8,309,127 98
PS3 6,847,722 51
WII 4,059,188 46
PS2 2,764,000 49
360 1,074,739 23
GBA 0 0

Wow.
Jokeropia
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(04-30-2010, 01:12 PM)
So with Wild World and BT2, DS now has four 5+ million sellers. Insane.

Originally Posted by PSGames

Wow.

Third parties completely messed up, but that's old news by now.
Road
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(04-30-2010, 02:02 PM)

Originally Posted by cvxfreak

If there were a "Nintendo/Super Mario Bros. Company" distinction, then Nintendo would still be #1, Mario Co. would be #4 and Pokemon would be #5. Nintendo would occupy 3 of the top 5. (Mario games = 5,279,859 units in 2009)

Code:

	FRANCHISE	  TOTAL	      SKUs	PUBLISHER

1	Mario	 	5,279,859 	13	Nintendo
2	Pokemon	 	4,671,440 	 9	Nintendo
3	Dragon Quest	4,312,632 	 7	Square-Enix
4	Final Fantasy	2,743,752 	11	Square-Enix
5	Monster Hunter	2,155,879 	 5	Capcom
6	Wii Fit	 	1,933,326 	 2	Nintendo
7	Wii Sports	1,897,192 	 2	Nintendo
8	Gundam	 	1,598,005 	12	Bandai Namco
9	Winning Eleven	1,409,225 	 9	Konami
10	Musou	 	1,276,161 	 8	Koei
11	Tales	 	1,218,211 	 7	Bandai Namco
12	Inazuma Eleven	1,149,041 	 3	Level 5
13	TaikonoTatsujin	  919,607 	 5	Bandai Namco
14	Prof. Layton	  918,580 	 4	Level 5
15	Resident Evil	  801,860 	 7	Capcom
16	Yakuza	 	  766,660 	 5	Sega
17	Phantasy Star	  642,241 	 3	Sega
cvxfreak
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(04-30-2010, 02:28 PM)
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Originally Posted by Acosta

Do you say that on a pure sales performance sense or in a general way?

About GT5, I think they can reach one million with a big marketing push. I feel that way because there has been a long waiting for it, and I feel there could be some accumulated hype and curiosity from traditional userbase. A-spec and GT 4 had barely three years and half of difference and maybe the whole userbase were not motivated to jump in.

Not sure, I may be biased, I feel sympathy for troubled projects that get delayed once and again.

Edit: Thanks for the list bttb.

Certainly not as a publisher of quality games. SCE still does well in that area, even though more and more of their hits are non-Japanese games like GoW or Heavy Rain. That said, there are many high quality developers and publishers these days, so it's not like SCE is much of a standout in that regard, either.

I'm referring more to sales performance, yes. In Japan, only Nintendo stands out as a first party. To even mention SCE as a first party in the same breadth as Nintendo is totally misleading and such expectations will only inflate expectations for games like GT5 and as we saw back in 2008, LBP.
duckroll
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(04-30-2010, 02:29 PM)
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

Certainly not as a publisher of quality games. SCE still does well in that area, even though more and more of their hits are non-Japanese games like GoW or Heavy Rain. That said, there are many high quality developers and publishers these days, so it's not like SCE is much of a standout in that regard, either.

I'm referring more to sales performance, yes. In Japan, only Nintendo stands out as a first party. To even mention SCE as a first party in the same breadth as Nintendo is totally misleading and such expectations will only inflate expectations for games like GT5 and as we saw back in 2008, LBP.

The Last Guardian will sell over a million and save the pride and honor of Sony first part!

Am I doing it right?
Chris1964
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(04-30-2010, 02:34 PM)
mcreate 2009 CY 29/12/08 03/01/10 xxx [ALL] Top 500 Software Sales (All Publishers) - 60.286.756
mcreate 2009 CY 29/12/08 03/01/10 xxx [ALL] Top 1000 Software Sales (All Publishers) -
mcreate 2009 CY 29/12/08 03/01/10 xxx [ALL] Total Software Sales (All Publishers) - 68.556.398

Top 500 represents 87,94% of the total market. Top 1000 must be close to 95%.
Stumpokapow
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(04-30-2010, 02:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by timetokill

FF13 and Monster Hunter broke a million... what else this generation has broken a million that isn't on a Nintendo platform?

Million sellers this generation:

PS3: Final Fantasy XIII.
PSP: Monster Hunter 2g, Monster Hunter 2, Monster Hunter

Wii: NSMB Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Wii Play, MK Wii, Smash Bros Brawl, Wii Sports Resort, Wii Fit Plus, Mario Party 8, Animal Crossing, Monster Hunter 3, Mario Galaxy

DS: NSMB, Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver, Animal Crossing, Brain Age, Brain Age 2, Dragon Quest IV, Dragon Quest V, Dragon Quest VI, Dragon Quest IX, Dragon Quest Monsters Joker, Mario Kart, Tomodachi Collection, English Training, Nintendogs (combined, not individual), Mario Party, Rhythm Heaven, Big Brain Academy, Common Knowledge Training, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2 (combined, not individual), Tetris, Kirby Super Star Ultra, Kirby Squeak Squad, WarioWare Touched, SM64DS, Tomogotchi Connection 1, FF3, Love and Berry, Inazuma Eleven 2 (combined, not individual)

Within 25k-50k: Layton 1, Cooking Navi, Dissidia (including rerelease, not original).
Acosta
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Originally Posted by cvxfreak

Certainly not as a publisher of quality games. SCE still does well in that area, even though more and more of their hits are non-Japanese games like GoW or Heavy Rain. That said, there are many high quality developers and publishers these days, so it's not like SCE is much of a standout in that regard, either.

I'm referring more to sales performance, yes. In Japan, only Nintendo stands out as a first party. To even mention SCE as a first party in the same breadth as Nintendo is totally misleading and such expectations will only inflate expectations for games like GT5 and as we saw back in 2008, LBP.

Yes, I'm agree with you. But I have enjoyed what SCE Japan has made this generation, I am not sure if they should have tried to be more ambitious, but I really liked Loco Roco, Patapon and Echochrome. I believe there is good talent there.

But no, SCE itīs not in the same breath of Nintendo, they have a good portfolio quality wise, and some good hits checking their global output, but Nintendo is in another league.
nincompoop
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The Wii port of Okami sold fewer copies than the PS2 version sold in 2009? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Skiptastic
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Interesting statistics.

Out of curiosity, why did it take nearly four months to throw this together?
Stumpokapow
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(04-30-2010, 02:46 PM)
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Originally Posted by Skiptastic

Interesting statistics.

Out of curiosity, why did it take nearly four months to throw this together?

because this list is just a portion of a large book that discusses and provides financial analysis for the japanese gaming industry, that book takes a few months to be released, and once it's released, someone (GEIMIN) needs to buy it, transcribe it, and put it online. then someone else needs to make it english for you.
cvxfreak
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(04-30-2010, 02:47 PM)
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Originally Posted by nincompoop

The Wii port of Okami sold fewer copies than the PS2 version sold in 2009? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Okami is a budget game on the PS2 (and Wii, but less so). Budget games have huge legs. The PS2 version had the whole year to sell barely 1K more than the Wii version.

Now, if you had mentioned RE4 on Wii and PS2, then I would have agreed. :P Japanese gamers are buying the worst version. :(
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152 [WII] Deca Sports 2 (Hudson) 75,599

Wasn't the first shipment 80k? Impressive legs though, I did not think it would even get to that number :lol
Durante
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(04-30-2010, 02:56 PM)
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126 [PS3] Valkyria Chronicles [PlayStation 3 the Best] (Sega) 95,797

Pretty good "PS3 the Best" sales, almost on top except for Mingol. The total should be around 250k now.

Regarding "the Best" budget re-releases, there are 13 for PS3, 11 for PS2 and 9 for PSP in the list.

150 [PS3] Atelier Rorona (Gust) 77,404

Aww, 3k short of being the best selling Atelier title since 2001. Still very nice.
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Originally Posted by duckroll

Wow, you must be the only person on GAF who agrees with me what GT5 might not sell a million copies in Japan! :lol

I've been doubting GT5 would go beyond 750k for years and beeing mocked for it :/
AranhaHunter
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(04-30-2010, 03:06 PM)

Originally Posted by duckroll

Wow, you must be the only person on GAF who agrees with me what GT5 might not sell a million copies in Japan! :lol

I agree with you, but I don't think it'll just sell 500k either (as I think that's your prediction IIRC?), I think 700-800k before re releases is a fair prediction.

Originally Posted by cvxfreak

Hah. The way I see it, as far as Japan is concerned, the first-third party distinction is becoming meaningless for the PSP, PS3 and 360. SCE may have built a name for itself in the PS1 that carried on into the PS2 era, but those days are long over and their franchises have shown to suffer big drops that we have few reasons to believe can be reversed. SCE is not a developer or publisher that can be placed on any special pedestal anymore. Expect a marketing blitz, some events, a few bundles and SKUs for GT5, but this is so par for the course as far as big games go. I think something like 700-800K is reasonable to predict. And then from there they can release a budget version and maybe cross the line. :lol

IMO, SCEJ has gone downhill every generation since PS1 whereas SCEE and SCEA have gotten better. Talking purely about games development, SCEJ is the weaklink in SCEWWS, they're more than a couple of notches below the other 2 main branches.

EDIT: And thanks BTTB for this thread, really appreciated.

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