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XboxGamers · Jul 23, 2004

Breaking it down by region, the figures are as follows.

North America: 10.1 million units
Europe: 3.9 million units
Asia Pacific: 1.5 million units

Suikoguy · Jul 23, 2004

I quit caring about hardware sales last year

cvxfreak · Jul 23, 2004

10 Million in NA already?!?!

DSN2K · Jul 23, 2004

XboxGamers said:
Asia Pacific: 1.5 million units

Odysseus · Jul 23, 2004

DSN2K said:

Asia/Pacific is more than just Japan, you know.

xsarien · Jul 23, 2004

DSN2K said:

They're polishing those numbers very nicely. That number includes Japan, as well as a host of other countries.

Spin city.

---- · Jul 23, 2004

xsarien said:
They're polishing those numbers very nicely. That number includes Japan, as well as a host of other countries.

Spin city.

Really Asia includes Japan in addition to other countries? You heard it here first. How is it spin to refer to sales in Asia in addition to North America and Europe? These things are known as continents and it makes sense to refer to their numbers in such terms. It wouldn't make sense to refer to everything else in terms of continents and refer to Japan by itself.

Suikoguy · Jul 23, 2004

---- said:
Really Asia includes Japan in addition to other countries? You heard it here first. How is it spin to refer to sales in Asia in addition to North America and Europe? These things are known as continents and it makes sense to refer to their numbers in such terms. It wouldn't make sense to refer to everything else in terms of continents and refer to Japan by itself.

Oh come on!
Never before have I heard refrence to asia pacific, MS just wanted to avoid calling out the japan only numbers!

cvxfreak · Jul 23, 2004

1.5 Million in Asia Pacific eh?

So 1.0 Million comes from South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand (I'm being nice with Xbox in Japan and giving it 500K instead of 400K).

We know the Xbox is less than 100K in South Korea (70K?). But we'll just round it off. Australia is something like 400K? 600K between the rest?

HAOHMARU · Jul 23, 2004

No wonder nobody is buying them...those things are friggin' HUGE!

---- · Jul 23, 2004

Suikoguy said:
Oh come on!
Never before have I heard refrence to asia pacific, MS just wanted to avoid calling out the japan only numbers!

It makes absolutely no sense to refer to sales numbers in terms of North America, Europe, and Japan. 2 continents and 1 country? That makes no sense whatsoever. If MS made reference to individual countries like US, Canada, etc. and then said Asia-Pacific, that would be spin. This is not spin. This makes sense. It is a regional report, not a country by country report.

These numbers are from the quarterly results report, so these are shipment numbers I'm assuming as well.

The Faceless Master · Jul 23, 2004

they count australia and new zealand in asia/pacific?

guess that explains why it's so high...

cvxfreak · Jul 23, 2004

Anyone remember when NOE confirmed the GC was over 3 Million in Europe some months ago? That would mean Xbox's European lead is only at about 900,000 or lower...

Maybe it's a bad idea to mention other systems.

DrLazy · Jul 23, 2004

Intrestingly I believe Nintendo includes Australia in it's PAL numbers. And around and around we go.

pilonv1 · Jul 23, 2004

The stupidity in this thread astounds me. How can you have never heard of Asia-Pacific?

jarrod · Jul 23, 2004

Microsoft used "Asia/Pacific" in their numbers last year, and actually I remember it being 1.5 million then. :/

Also, these are shipped figures, not sold. The actual Asia/Pacific XBox userbase is likely just under a million (400k JP, 500k AU/NZ, 70k Korea and maybe 10k Hong Kong).

Europe numbers are lower than I expected (given how the XBox evagelists trumpet the UK figures around here and always point to the region's intagible yet somehow significany lead over GC), America seems right on target though. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a million consoles sold in Canada.

jarrod · Jul 23, 2004

DrLazy said:
Intrestingly I believe Nintendo includes Australia in it's PAL numbers. And around and around we go.

So does Sony. So did Sega. Given that AU's a PAL region, wouldn't that make sense after all?

Then again, it'd look far worse for Microsoft to say:

PAL: 4,600,000
Asia: 700,000

Grubdog · Jul 23, 2004

DrLazy said:
Intrestingly I believe Nintendo includes Australia in it's PAL numbers. And around and around we go.

Nintendo, Australia? Nintendo hardly even exist over here, they've sold a few thousand GameCubes, not a big enough amount to even mention it in relation to worldwide sales. Put that straw back.

Deleted member 1235 · Jul 23, 2004

DrLazy said:
Intrestingly I believe Nintendo includes Australia in it's PAL numbers. And around and around we go.

Well Aussie is a PAL territory as is NZ, but I don't think Nintendo have ever heard of NZ anyway.......

Greekboy · Jul 23, 2004

Somebody lock this lame thread.

DrLazy · Jul 23, 2004

Given that AU's a PAL region, wouldn't that make sense after all?

All right, I admit, I don't even know what PAL stands for. I kinda figured it was Europish.

DSN2K · Jul 23, 2004

Odysseus said:
Asia/Pacific is more than just Japan, you know.

I know that :|

but still 1.5m ? hell no.

Optimistic · Jul 23, 2004

pilonv1 said:
The stupidity in this thread astounds me. How can you have never heard of Asia-Pacific?

This is an American board, pilon. [/vzzzbx]

Rhindle · Jul 23, 2004

MS groups sales by geographic region rather than by television broadcasting encoding technology standard?

Why ... the rotten thieving scoundrels.

PS. While you're straightening them out, remember to make them group sales revenues in France into a separate SECAM region, like all other reputable corporations do.

AniHawk · Jul 23, 2004

Xbox sell through:

Japan: 425,000
Australia: 450,000
Korea: nearing 100,000
all other areas: ???
Total: Probably 1.1 million. Isn't hard to believe there's another 400k Xboxes somewhere out there.

jarrod · Jul 23, 2004

Rhindle said:
MS groups sales by geographic region rather than by television broadcasting encoding technology standard?

Why ... the rotten thieving scoundrels.

Come now, it's pretty clear why they're doing it... besides, throwing Australia in the same geographic region as Japan is stretching it a bit. They're classified with different continents after all.

dorio · Jul 23, 2004

I can't believe all the vitriol directed at these guys just because they decided to include Australia in the Asia region. Companies do this all the time, get over it.

Chopin Trusty Balls · Jul 23, 2004

The rest of Asias sales do matter a bit more,they shipped 60K in Singapore(6 Mio nation) alone.

North America includes Canada and Mexico.

cvxfreak · Jul 23, 2004

Australiasia is a better name than Asia Pacific.

jarrod · Jul 23, 2004

dorio said:
I can't believe all the vitriol directed at these guys just because they decided to include Australia in the Asia region. Companies do this all the time, get over it.

I'd say it's more amusement than "vitriol" but I guess interpretation is subjective. And besides MS, which game console manufactures have included Australia with Asia rather than PAL? Do you think there's more communication between MS Sydney and MS London or MS Tokyo? The reasoning for this is crystal clear...

AniHawk said:
Xbox sell through:

Japan: 425,000

...nothing wrong with that either and it's hardly the fisrt time MS made "convienent" groupings. In fact, in the other MS finacial report thread it came out that MS stuck their Mac OS Office division in with H&E to help offset XBox losses. They're just trying to make things look as good as possible, like any company.

Alcibiades · Jul 23, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
Australiasia is a better name than Asia Pacific.

lol

cvxfreak · Jul 23, 2004

efralope said:
lol

I'm serious.

Asia Oceania would also be a very good description.

AniHawk · Jul 23, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
Oceania would also be a very good description.

*Flashback to 1984*

Chopin Trusty Balls · Jul 23, 2004

Btw,what was MSs expectations from last year? I think something like 13-16 Mio?
15.5 Mio is ok then.

Rhindle · Jul 23, 2004

jarrod said:
Come now, it's pretty clear why they're doing it... besides, throwing Australia in the same geographic region as Japan is stretching it a bit. They're classified with different continents after all.

You should now better, jarrod.

1. All MS sales are classified into Americas, EMEA (Europe, Middle East and Africa) and Asia Pacific.

2. They have been so classified since long before anyone conceived of the Xbox.

3. Most multinationals use the same regional accounting classification convention.

Shompola · Jul 23, 2004

jarrod, damn you're pathetic. Are you this stubborn in real life as well? I guess you have no real friends. Fucking pathetic.

Alcibiades · Jul 23, 2004

come on people, admit it, "Asia/Pacific", that's pretty hilarious Microsoft is doing that (XBox-related or not), but it's not like anything is stopping them from outright stating "Japanese" sales of their XBox console (the 2nd biggest videogame market)...

Alcibiades · Jul 23, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
I'm serious.

Asia Oceania would also be a very good description.

from now on, it's Australisia, ok people...

Ghost · Jul 23, 2004

But...japan isnt in australasia

AniHawk · Jul 23, 2004

Ghost said:
But...japan isnt in australasia

IT IS NOW, DAMNIT!

Fafalada · Jul 23, 2004

Never before have I heard refrence to asia pacific, MS just wanted to avoid calling out the japan only numbers!

Probably, but in all fairness it wasn't until recently that non-Japanese Asian regions became relevant in terms of console sales. And they're likely to grow more relevant in future.
My question is just if Australia is counted twice for Europe/Pal and Asia/Pacific given that it fits both regions by definition...

I have some doubts about 1.5M sellthrough regardless though

AniHawk · Jul 23, 2004

Fafalada said:
Probably, but in all fairness it wasn't until recently that non-Japanese Asian regions became relevant in terms of console sales. And they're likely to grow more relevant in future.
My question is just if Australia is counted twice for Europe/Pal and Asia/Pacific given that it fits both regions by definition...

I have some doubts about 1.5M sellthrough regardless though

It's NOT sellthrough, it's shipped.

psycho_snake · Jul 23, 2004

10.1 million. I dont believe that:/

does anyone know the number of GC sold in Europe?

Chittagong · Jul 23, 2004

This is retarded. Most of multinational conglomerates use the Americas / EMEA / APAC classification to arrange their business and APAC includes Japan as well as Australia, however poorly it fits the console business.

If you build your organization around a certain geographical definition, you won't and can't change it for your annual report to just to prevent OMFG LOLLOL Teh B1AAZZ M$ 3vil!!!!11!one one!!111s in GAF.

Only thing such stupidity would result in is irritating inverstors and getting Microsoft slapped by trade exchange officials.

Baron Aloha · Jul 23, 2004

psycho_snake said:
10.1 million. I dont believe that:/

does anyone know the number of GC sold in Europe?

One again...these aren't "sales" they are units shipped to retailers.

Prine · Jul 23, 2004

Rhindle said:
MS groups sales by geographic region rather than by television broadcasting encoding technology standard?

Why ... the rotten thieving scoundrels.

.

hehe. Exactly

open_mouth_ · Jul 23, 2004

I think Xbox will reach 30mil + Xboxes by the end of its lifespan (2006-07) which isn't too shabby for a 1st time effort.

nubbe · Jul 23, 2004

open_mouth_ said:
I think Xbox will reach 30mil + Xboxes by the end of its lifespan (2006-07) which isn't too shabby for a 1st time effort.

If you ignore that they lost billions upon billions to reach that point then.. no, its not that shabby at all.

Baron Aloha · Jul 23, 2004

I don't think the Xbox will be around in 2007. MS loses too much money on it. After Xbox 2 comes out I think you'll see Xbox 1 disappear from shelves pretty quickly.

Deg · Jul 23, 2004

nubbe said:
If you ignore

lol

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