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Papercuts · Nov 11, 2013

hawk2025 said:
That's not quite right. Obviously any time-based DRM lock would have the software check with the OS how long it has been since the console was last online.
It may be that the console-level DRM is off, but there is a software-level option that has been applied (whether temporarily or not) to CoD.

Yeah, there seems to be too much stuff possibly at work to really get to the bottom of it for now. Guess it's just time to play the waiting game.

I feel like MS would have immediately been aware of something applied to the game at large, however. Instead of 'looking into it'.

hawk2025 · Nov 11, 2013

NullPointer said:
Is "Offline Play Enabled" on all the PS4 launch releases? Or just COD?

Just CoD, as far as the games I currently have go, but obviously we haven't seen the back of a bunch of boxes.

Papercuts said:
Yeah, there seems to be too much stuff possibly at work to really get to the bottom of it for now. Guess it's just time to play the waiting game.

Yup, it's pretty late in the night, so I'm sure the answer will come some time in the morning. This is very likely to be nothing IMO.

fastballspecial · Nov 11, 2013

JLeack said:
Wait, how are we supposed to feel? I'm excited to get the console on November 22nd and expect to have a lot of fun playing exclusives and messing around with the tech. Why should I be alarmed about crap two weeks before launch?

Enjoy your console when you get it.

GribbleGrunger · Nov 11, 2013

f0lken said:
We don't know that the patch he downloaded was the one that removes the DRM

Then how did he originally play COD offline?

Justin · Nov 11, 2013

NullPointer said:
Is "Offline Play Enabled" on all the PS4 launch releases? Or just COD?

Its not on Killzone

Arrogant Bastard · Nov 11, 2013

TyrantII said:
Um....

You do remember the #NoDRM campaign and always online 24hr license checks, right?

So we've been going on a promise that they 180'd and also a we're sorry. There's not much room for benefit of the doubt after it was their original plan in the first place that freaked everyone out...

Yes of course I do.

This is a pre-release console, no? Assuming that the things that are occurring now are some how representative of how they will be at launch is rather absurd.

Sword Of Doom said:
We know about the ban system and it IS fucked up. If you pay for a game, nobody should have the right to take it away from you. I guess in a society the government can do shit like that through courts but a corporation can not be judge, jury and executioner.

Off the cliff.

PBY · Nov 11, 2013

whitehawk said:
"Additional storage, hardware, and Xbox Live may be required for setup, some updates and features, including retention of some gameplay settings and information."

What does that mean exactly?

Im just guessing- but I think that means you might have to patch the game. Sounds like standard stuff to me, but I could be wrong.

SRTtoZ · Nov 11, 2013

Sleeplessnights said:
What if every PS4 game with "Offline play enabled" on the back of the box is DRM'd on the Xbox One?

Seriously, why even list 'Offline play enabled' on the back of the box? Its so weird. It seems like that's something an MMO (or any type of always online game) would do, not a normal game like CoD. There definitely could be some shenanigans going on.

Brain of J · Nov 11, 2013

Nori Chan said:
wait what

so this whole thing was just a poorly misspelled, worded mistake? Isn't what this whole thread was about that he couldn't play single player without being online?

Seems to me this thread is about people realizing/lamenting that in the online age we live in that we don't own shit if it is tied to an online device or service. The corporations ultimately control everything - even the content we paid for. And it sucks especially if you don't trust the companies involved ( as many here rightfully don't). But to answer your question, yeah, some idiot who got the system two weeks early may or may not be able to play COD single player...

ascii42 · Nov 11, 2013

whitehawk said:
"Additional storage, hardware, and Xbox Live may be required for setup, some updates and features, including retention of some gameplay settings and information."

What does that mean exactly?

Which part? The updates and features sounds is probably referring to the additional space that patches and DLC will take up. The Xbox live bit sounds to me like cloud storage.

stormplyr · Nov 11, 2013

NullPointer said:
Thats the Xbox One version alright.

Its a little too blurry to make out.

Haha. I don't know if you meant this as a joke but I lol'd.

Steel · Nov 11, 2013

whitehawk said:
"Additional storage, hardware, and Xbox Live may be required for setup, some updates and features, including retention of some gameplay settings and information."

What does that mean exactly?

Day 1 patch for software-level DRM removal possibly. Good eyes btw.

TyrantII · Nov 11, 2013

F0rneus said:
So THAT's why the PS4 box said Offline Enabled (taken from here)

That's actually going to be needed more and more this gen as more games mix offline and online functionality ala Dark Souls, Watch Dogs, and Destiny.

In fact, it'll be a positive selling point.

Eusis · Nov 11, 2013

Justin said:
Its not on Killzone

Should check Knack, I suspect that indicates it has offline MP, and on the back outside of Network Play you say 1 player listed for Killzone.

C.Dark.DN · Nov 11, 2013

Foxix said:
Edit. ^

Makes no mention of offline play or any online requirement. At least none that I can see.

In the wall of text do I read Xbox Live may be required for some gameplay ___ settings?

Edit: whitehawk typed it all up.

SwiftDeath · Nov 11, 2013

What? I can't believe this is true

Would be a pandemic on launch day if so

Justin · Nov 11, 2013

Eusis said:
Should check Knack, I suspect that indicates it has offline MP, and on the back outside of Network Play you say 1 player listed for Killzone.

Not on Knack either.

ascii42 · Nov 11, 2013

GribbleGrunger said:
Then how did he originally play COD offline?

If the problem is the 24 hour check, then originally he was before the 24 hours were up, so it'd still work.

Foxix Von · Nov 11, 2013

astarisborn94 said:
Under Xbox Live, it mentions 2-16 players. By it mentions Xbox One, which is one to two players. I believe that indicates offline play.

That only indicates local multiplayer count versus playing in an online match. Just because there is a listing for local play does it not imply offline play. If a consoles' games are going to require an online connection on a per game basis, the nature of those requirements should be stated clearly on the packaging.

MaulerX · Nov 11, 2013

Echoenigma said:
A 24 hour lockout would mean that Ghosts is DRM locked; remember, he already downloaded the day one patch that removed OS level DRM.

How can you say that when we don't know that for a fact? That update could have been anything.

onlyindreams · Nov 11, 2013

Maybe this is online only cause the system is too weak to even hit 720p without the magical cloud processing

f0lken · Nov 11, 2013

Echoenigma said:
Then what would need "looking into" by MS guys? They should just say "He doesn't have the final patch", and clear it up.

They could, but if they say that and that is indeed the problem then this is a non-issue, but with all that is happening imagine what would happen if the issue is something different, I am sure they want to be 100% sure before they speak again because their tweets, posts, etc are under the microscope always.

Lynn616 · Nov 11, 2013

Echoenigma said:
A 24 hour lockout would mean that Ghosts is DRM locked; remember, he already downloaded the day one patch that removed OS level DRM.

We dont know what patch he downloaded. No way to know if he received the DRM removal patch or if the Day One patch is even ready.

biRdy · Nov 11, 2013

NullPointer said:
Is "Offline Play Enabled" on all the PS4 launch releases? Or just COD?

this is what Killzone has

FaintColt388301 · Nov 11, 2013

SRTtoZ said:
Yea I get that now. I saw people reacting to the tweet as if it was brand new so I was kind of confused.

Yeah this whole situation is weird. MS really can't catch a break. Every week it's something new. They really fudged this whole pre launch

Steel · Nov 11, 2013

SwiftDeath said:
What? I can't believe this is true

Would be a pandemic on launch day if so

I don't think this will be a problem launch day. I'm choosing to believe the more reasonable thing. Of course until Penello posts I still have doubts.

GribbleGrunger · Nov 11, 2013

ascii42 said:
If the problem is the 24 hour check, then originally he was before the 24 hours were up, so it'd still work.

Yeah, I was getting to that when he answered

Jafku · Nov 11, 2013

Eusis said:
Should check Knack, I suspect that indicates it has offline MP, and on the back outside of Network Play you say 1 player listed for Killzone.

Why would Knack have it? It's offline by default no online multi

Jabba · Nov 11, 2013

LiquidMetal14 said:
The same situation that's been talked about for a while. It's not some secret but a ton of the rumors do add up. Most of this stuff people know but cboat has said almost all of it in his cryptic posts.

cboat has been saying this all. I'm not adding any more to it.

Your attitude should be thought about at this point in time. Surely after all that's happened, since vgleaks, people should see this perspective as a possibilty. I know I do, just haven't said much about it on GAF.

J_Lee · Nov 11, 2013

Edit: never mind beat and bettered

Tsundere · Nov 11, 2013

Justin said:
Not on Knack either.

I guess they imply that because the game has no online functionality, it's completely offline to start.

The Xtortionist · Nov 11, 2013

biRdy said:
this is what Killzone has

"Online play (optional)" kind of implies offline play.

SRTtoZ · Nov 11, 2013

Someone make sure Penello is still alive pls

Silky · Nov 11, 2013

onlyindreams said:
Maybe this is online only cause the system is too weak to even hit 720p without the magical cloud processing

It's like building blocks at this point with these jokes.

and i love it

viveks86 · Nov 11, 2013

GribbleGrunger said:
Then how did he originally play COD offline?

This is the closest explanation that makes sense so far (relatively speaking).

Papercuts said:
Right, this is basically the case. The important thing to note is if he played post console ban, he was offline and played single player. This means that the ban didn't lock him out from offline content, AND that ghosts is not DRM locked, and that the 24 hour lockout is what's happening.

BUT his word is shakey on the important detail there.

EDIT: Beaten!

TyrantII · Nov 11, 2013

Arrogant Bastard said:
Yes of course I do.

This is a pre-release console, no? Assuming that the things that are occurring now are some how representative of how they will be at launch is rather absurd.

I don't disagree, but you were asking about peoples overreaction, which in context isn't that illogical. Everyone's a bit on edge about this anti-consumer crap because we saw the hands dealt earlier.

Microsoft's job is to ensure people it's 6 feet under. Quickly.

Dueck · Nov 11, 2013

NullPointer said:
Is "Offline Play Enabled" on all the PS4 launch releases? Or just COD?

Could you imagine the fallout from half of the PS4's games not featuring offline play, and Xbox One coming out the hero? Irony.

Arrogant Bastard · Nov 11, 2013

Steel said:
Day 1 patch for software-level DRM removal possibly. Good eyes btw.

How do you get, Day one patch for software-level DRM removal from that vague statement?

TyrantII said:
I don't disagree, but you were asking about peoples overreaction, which in context isn't that illogical. Everyone's a bit on edge about this anti-consumer crap because we saw the hands dealt earlier.

Microsoft's job is to ensure people it's 6 feet under. Quickly.

Oh please. We are not the mainstream audience, we investigate with a microscope. Every info drop over the next couple weeks is going to be treated with near overreaction. Microsoft received the anti-DRM message loud and clear, do you honestly think ten days from launch they are going to allow this to fester.

It is past midnight, give them the benefit of twelve hours.

Steel · Nov 11, 2013

Justin said:
Not on Knack either.

Maybe it's only on multiplats? Or maybe it's just a launch hiccup that's still being sorted through. Who knows?

edit:

Arrogant Bastard said:
How do you get, Day one patch for software-level DRM removal from that vague statement?

You're right, I might be reading too much into it. Do the PS4 boxes have a similar clause?

NullPointer · Nov 11, 2013

Justin said:
Its not on Killzone

Justin said:
Not on Knack either.

And the plot thickens in IMAGN-OFFLINE-PLAY-GATE

The Xtortionist said:
"Online play (optional)" kind of implies offline play.

Which is why an Offline Play Enabled icon is redundant from the get-go. Its also redundant.

Papercuts · Nov 11, 2013

biRdy said:
this is what Killzone has

Isn't "Online play (optional)" and "Offline play enabled" essentially the same thing?

Haha, weird that both exist.

supaflyryguy · Nov 11, 2013

GribbleGrunger said:
Yeah, I was getting to that when he answered

You should really update the OP with CBOAT's post, Penello's post, and Larry Hyrb's tweet so people don't just enter confused.

Justin · Nov 11, 2013

Papercuts said:
Isn't "Online play (optional)" and "Offline play enabled" essentially the same thing?

Haha, weird that both exist.

Also weird that Killzone has the remote play logo and Knack doesn't.

viveks86 · Nov 11, 2013

supaflyryguy said:
You should really update the OP with CBOAT's post, Penello's post, and Larry Hyrb's tweet so people don't just enter confused.

Oh you think that clarifies it?

GribbleGrunger · Nov 11, 2013

viveks86 said:
This is the closest explanation that makes sense so far (relatively speaking).

EDIT: Beaten!

You know I already know that because you answered a post of mine about it LOL. I was waiting for his reply before I mentioned it. I keep forgetting how fast this forum moves.

RefigeKru · Nov 11, 2013

Could Penello let slip about the update itself... Say confirm whether or not it contained the 180?

That'd clear things up a bit.

supaflyryguy · Nov 11, 2013

viveks86 said:
Oh you think that clarifies it?

No, nothing clarifies it as it's an unresolved issue, but at least they'll be caught up to the rest of us.

NullPointer · Nov 11, 2013

Justin said:
Also weird that Killzone has the remote play logo and Knack doesn't.

And we've been shown Knack remote play too.

This is confusing.

Papercuts · Nov 11, 2013

viveks86 said:
Oh you think that clarifies it?

More like up to date, but still thoroughly confused!

GribbleGrunger · Nov 11, 2013

supaflyryguy said:
You should really update the OP with CBOAT's post, Penello's post, and Larry Hyrb's tweet so people don't just enter confused.

I don't think 'imagine' and 'looking into it' will clarify anything lol

Why is it taking Penello so long to say: 'You can play offline with no problem whatsoever, this is just an isolated case because he got his console early and it's an old firmware update.'?

He hasn't though ... Still waiting ...

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