They took it out because so few people wanted to play it by the rules in Reach, the playlist eventually devolved into the most idiotic and pointless game mode ever created. A wave-based "survival" mode with infinite lives and power weapons with infinite ammo.
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Halo 5: Guardians revealed - more at E3 - Fall 2015 [Box Art person is new guy]
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Syphon Filter
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It will actually be fresh if they go back to their roots since those type of games barely exist anymore. What is not fresh anymore is the usual perks and loadouts from the past 7-8 yrs. How come Halo only grew despite it being pretty similar from Halo 1-3 then?
So, ... Why no? Who exactly would lose something in the described scenario? Just interested why the "Halo community" over here is so afraid of new experiences within the existing (and great) universe. In the end, we probably will get a classic multiplayer Halo experience at the end of this year. If we get the same again next year with new maps and better graphics - wouldn't that just be pretty boring in the end?
Again: I am not saying the classic Halo multiplayer is bad or dead. I wouldn't ever say that (see my avatar
)! Halo is unique as it is. However, this shouldn't exclude some evolution progress from time to time. And that includes changes with risks.
Deviousx
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I must be the only person who wants Halo BTB to remain 8v8. I still play Reach and 4 and 8v8 is the sweet spot for BTB. Some people say it's too small but my intense games on Hemorrhage will disagree. Map control is everything. Heck playing against a full team on Utopie and you searching by yourself sucks as it is because no one on your team followed you to Banshee and now you're stuck getting spawn killed for 15 minutes because the other team doesn't want to cap the flag or arm the bomb and would rather stat pad their K/D (I do it too sometimes when I'm searching with my team so I won't be too critical of them lol).
If they are going to up the player count to 16v16 or 32v32 or whatever, make it a separate playlist and keep BTB as is.
If they are going to up the player count to 16v16 or 32v32 or whatever, make it a separate playlist and keep BTB as is.
Welfare
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At that point, 343 should just make 2 different games. Halo 5 needs to be a game that has ONE main way to play it, and that one way can be altered with custom games. 2 or more different styles of play ruined Halo Reach and 4 IMO.
So, ... Why no? Who exactly would lose something in the described scenario? Just interested why the "Halo community" over here is so afraid of new experiences within the existing (and great) universe. In the end, we probably will get a classic multiplayer Halo experience at the end of this year. If we get the same again next year with new maps and better graphics - wouldn't that just be pretty boring in the end?
Again: I am not saying the classic Halo multiplayer is bad or dead. I wouldn't ever say that (see my avatar
First and foremost, the game type, War Games as you propose it is extremely unbalanced.
Also, Halo has experimented enough, it's time to get back to what works.
Foolishfellow
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Anyone who thinks that there should be load outs, weapon customization, and perks of any kind in Halo does not know what they are talking about (that includes Big Team Battle).
They should focus on making fun maps that contain power weapons that respawn in the same location. There should be a few (not all) levels that contain "switches" that activate bridges, open gates, or destroy environments (like Zanzibar).
Guns should not have recoil, you're a fucking spartan.
This is all that is needed to make a good Halo game. Everyone else can stop suggesting stupid ideas. Halo 4 was created because of stupid ideas and industry "trends."
They should focus on making fun maps that contain power weapons that respawn in the same location. There should be a few (not all) levels that contain "switches" that activate bridges, open gates, or destroy environments (like Zanzibar).
Guns should not have recoil, you're a fucking spartan.
This is all that is needed to make a good Halo game. Everyone else can stop suggesting stupid ideas. Halo 4 was created because of stupid ideas and industry "trends."
That makes no sense since the main thing it was praised was the local multiplayer and not the xboxlive thing. You guys Forget that xbox live is only big on the USA, other countries still do a lot of local multiplayer.
Wait, not that I disagree with the problem of formulaic level design for those missions, but that video is just highlighting that people in radio contact use your call sign to refer to you. That seems...dumb.
Syphon Filter
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Guns should have recoil. You realize Halo CE-3 had recoil right?
Syphon Filter
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xbox live is big in europe as well.
Both Reach and ODST were good in giving minimal battle chatter, but still being engaging and adding something to the game. Spartan Ops just bombarded you at every objective, even sometimes unnecessarily, and did little to flesh out the story. Sounds harsh, but when something becomes that grating, you just stop caring what is going on.
Not as big at all. Specially since PS3 online was free. UK is not Europe. We still value way more local play than people in America.
Come on dude, I made a joke about the repetition.
Also pretty much this:
Er, what? If the mode can't gather enough people from around the world to keep the playlist alive before a sequel comes out (it was dead within a year), then there definitely was no secret society of LAN partying mole men living somewhere under Europe's surface.
343 already "tried something fresh" with Halo 4 when they modernized the franchise with perks, loadouts, and all that other nonsense.
You can introduce new and interesting mechanics that build on Halo's strengths without ruining the things people like about the gameplay. It's not easy, but it's possible. The problem is that the designers need to be both knowledgeable enough about Halo, and creative enough to come up with ideas that are fresh and interesting. I always say things like vehicle-boarding and theater mode are fantastic additions to Halo that only improved the franchise. Maybe more unique and interesting gametypes, map designs, and weapons could be enough to "refresh Halo" -- they're certainly things I'd like to see. Not weapon customization, not Titanfall-esque movement, not vehicle ordnance. The point is, there are smarter ways to go about doing this rather than copying the more popular games out there or compromising and segmenting your playerbase to try to appease everyone.
Besides, where do asymmetric objective maps like Terminal and Zanzibar fit into this split-multiplayer experience? Those were built for 4v4 to 6v6, but vehicles were an integral part of them. 1 Flag and Assault on those maps were super competitive, teamwork-oriented, and god damn amazing. You're not going to have anything close to a similar experience when there are 32 players with random abilities running around with eight scopes and three grenade launchers on their DMRs. If you have to have player ability, weapon, and vehicle customization, put it in Firefight -- it's unlikely to hurt anyone there.
Super Stardust
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I hope it does, firefight was my favourite game mode
Syphon Filter
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I hope it does, firefight was my favourite game mode
Yea they need that back and forget spartan ops which was horrible. Also i hope they have something new like Each Halo introduced till Halo 3.
l Zealot l
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Hahahahahah where did you get this idea from?
A-rumblin's from twitter...
https://twitter.com/thuway/status/469940631922434048
I wonder how much we'll be getting at E3...
https://twitter.com/thuway/status/469940631922434048
I wonder how much we'll be getting at E3...
What does that mean tho?
He is not "allowed"? When has that ever stopped him?
Press has probably been briefed on multiplayer and some story info. Obviously this is assuming it's even true.
That that would be expected no?
Not really, Halo 4 wasn't shown off until the year of release. If this is true, looks like marketing is starting up real early.
Why on earth would MS do that?
If true, it's like they're trying to get there to be leaks.
I'll take that with a grain of salt, cause he was feeling salty because people's pantys didn't get wet over The Order. Which could be great game, but they did shity job of showing why I should be hyped
Thuway is a bit odd. Obvious Sony fan. Don't know if I'd go so far as to say fanboy, but yeah, he seems to enjoy saying negative things about MS and positive about Sony.
Don't know that I've ever seen a post from him about Nintendo. Not a serious one anyway.
Razgriz-Specter
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Bring on the trailers
and shall we all soon dine upon Doritos and Game Fuel.
I appreciate your post, and I agree on all fronts. Bungie was trying to introduce a game mode that allowed for player customization and specialization, the invasion and invasion slayer game types (which iiirc had vehicle drops). The entire game mode was designed around these aspects of asymmetry (not only in map but also in player). Bungie seems to have the wherewithal to know that you can't force these changes in slayer or traditional game modes. Objective based game modes which offer more class based gameplay, and rely less on strength of an individual, was the key.
I think the biggest detriment to halo has been the removal of weapon placements and inclusion of drops, that one aspect alone if changed back would normalize halo in that players would no longer be carrying random weapons constantly and making every encounter a proverbial coin toss. If weapon drops were removed, and weapon placement added; It means that any duel would come down to the player who either worked to get the weapon on the map (stategy/map awearness), or the player who was best with the weapon they had (skill). This is a core aspect of the halo competitive multiplayer in my opinion.
Yes abilities and sprint add unnecessary random elements, but with the proper map design those abilities can be accounted for and balanced appropriately.
I don't trust him
That's his reaction when Uncharted 3 got 8/10 from Eurogamer lolThuway said:
I have not played much halo just the first one and some time will halo3.
The multilayer in halo3 was pretty cool with all the vehicles and stuff to bad I absolutely sucked at it.
I dont mind something like halo3 multiplayer it will certainly be a break from the twitch/perk/killstreak shooters.
The multilayer in halo3 was pretty cool with all the vehicles and stuff to bad I absolutely sucked at it.
I dont mind something like halo3 multiplayer it will certainly be a break from the twitch/perk/killstreak shooters.
JimiNutz
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The only Halo 'perks' I've ever enjoyed are the roll move that you could do as an Elite in Reach and the booster pack evade thing from Halo 4.
I also really like the titan dash in Titanfall.
Does anyone else agree that some kind of thruster pack so that you can evade/dash would be good for Halo? Obviously it would have to be charged up so that it couldn't be spammed.
I just think it adds more skill to firefights without breaking the core gunplay of Halo.
I also really like the titan dash in Titanfall.
Does anyone else agree that some kind of thruster pack so that you can evade/dash would be good for Halo? Obviously it would have to be charged up so that it couldn't be spammed.
I just think it adds more skill to firefights without breaking the core gunplay of Halo.
LOL wut? the UK has a huge online community, I'm in the uk and have had xbox live for 10 years bud and I've been playing with other British players since the original online rainbow 6.
Could someone please explain to me what's that tumbling mean?
Edit.
I see someone already explained it above.
And why would MS do that? Ruins one of their top games and rescuing some leaks?
I don't believe this tweet.
dragonelite
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Edit: nvm, saw some more tweets he does seems pissed.
digoutyoursoul
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I would, his attitude stinks
SpartanN92
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What is local multiplayer?
BeforeU
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lol I think he is talking about local co-op and lan parties?
SicSemperTyrannis
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A friend and I were talking about this yesterday, and he feels that Reach is the best Halo package while Halo 4 is garbage. I don't agree personally, I played more of 4. I think that both Reach and 4 were great games, just not great Halo games. They introduced too much randomization into encounters with the armor abilities for the game to be focused on skilled play. The addition of more randomization in Halo 4 drive the game further from the base Halo formula which made most battles impossible for good players to reliably predict. Reach was similar though, with the jet pack, armor lock, camo, decoy, sprint abilities the game was a mess of potential imbalance depending solely on what each team chose as armor abilities. I feel that Halo began the decline into randomization with Halo 3 with armor abilities that were pickups throughout the maps, but it was too bad due to the ability to reasonably predict who had picked it up due to timing and map placement. Halo 2, assuming no physics or button glitches, was the most balanced Halo gameplay wise. This is just my opinion, and they are like assholes, so ignore me if you think I'm an idiot because in all likelihood I am.
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