And...well, all the game mechanics. They're pretty much as close as you can get to being the same series loophooled with a different name to get around IP ownership.
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There's absolutely no chance that Sony would ever make a Demon's Souls 2 (right?)
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And...well, all the game mechanics. They're pretty much as close as you can get to being the same series loophooled with a different name to get around IP ownership.
TheJollyCorner
Member
Agreed.
It's a business move. It might be shitty for Souls fans who don't have/want a PS4, but this isn't exactly a new situation.
Sony might not have had the foresight to predict Demon's Souls (and, in turn, Dark Souls) gaining such a large, passionate fanbase- but you can bet your ass they started taking notice really quickly. Didn't Yoshida even admit they (Sony) seriously misjudged how that IP would be accepted?
For one thing, a Demon's Souls 2 (or whatever they'll call it) developed via Japan Studios & Miyazaki/FROM would push hardware sales for PS4. It might not be a massive boost, but it would be something. Hell, I've seen posters on GAF that played Dark Souls on the 360 and got a PS3 specifically for Demon's.
It could also be the first 'next-gen' Souls game, as I'd imagine it would probably release well before a PS4/X1 Dark Souls 3 if rumors of the game being already in development are true.
FROM will benefit from a multi-platform Dark Souls series (as will Namco). They would also benefit from a PS4 exclusive follow-up/spiritual successor to the original Demon's Souls, as I'd expect Sony will cover publishing costs, possibly even directly assist in development, etc.
Is Final Fantasy VII called Chrono Trigger?
Though now I do wonder what Miyazaki's up to, and I imagine while Atlus may be closer to From than most other third parties they wouldn't know about a Demon's Souls 2, and likely either way SCEA would publish this time.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
I think a souls game will happen on PS4, Sony wont sit on the IP and do nothing imo.
It's funny thinking of Demons Souls now. I remember seeing the videos of it before the japanese/asian release and seeing it get laughed at on GAF (as some of the promo footage WAS a bit rough) But upon finding out that the HK version had english subs I imported it and played the shit out of it. The streams then started to get people interested and it was just fun watching people slowly start to get into the series and become ever increasingly popular. I wasn't a member of GAF at the time but it was fun to watch 
I'll never get rid of my original HK version of Demons Souls, that's got a special place in my collection.
I'll never get rid of my original HK version of Demons Souls, that's got a special place in my collection.
Melchiah
Member
Not to mention, that it's a similar case to Bayonetta 2; there would be no sequel if Sony didn't fund it. So, which is better, exclusive sequel, or no sequel at all?
Personally, all the Souls games intrigue me to no end due to their atmosphere, lore, and art design, but after trying Demon's Souls when it came available on PS+, I have to say it's just too unforgiving for me. It's not the difficulty alone, but being thrown back after a failure, and having to go through all those preceding enemy waves again and again. It's a game I'd love to play, but will settle for adoring it from a distance.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
It's funny how they're essentially the same games but owned by two different companies!
If From Software doesn't mind, how about a Zelda Souls for Wii U!
If From Software doesn't mind, how about a Zelda Souls for Wii U!
Instead of that crappy Hyrule Warriors nonsense!
I don't want to speak for everyone here, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people are interested for the exclusivity. I go on a different site and Dark Souls 2 threads won't get anymore than like 15 posts. A thread was posted about the possibility of Demon's Souls 2 on PS4. Post count? 200+.
UltraGunner
Banned
If there ever is a Demon's Souls 2 I hope its more like Dark than Demon's. The whole World Tendency bullshit needs to go, as does the weight limit for none equipped things.
I was one such person, and I don't regret it.
In terms of wanting a sequel, I don't know if it is for the exclusivity as much as it is for getting more of a great thing. I think Sony will sit on this IP though.
I will say it for you: The only people who want Demon's Souls 2 to happen is Sony, their fanboys, and people who can't get it through their thick skulls that the name of the game isn't the reason that Dark Souls isn't exactly like Demon's Souls (muh hub world, muh grass!).
Melchiah
Member
Alternatively, those who don't want it to happen are likely aligned with another platform. There's nothing wrong with wanting more of what you enjoy, but wanting something not to happen just because it would be on another system is an entirely different matter.
TrojanBlade
Member
Weren't there rumors on GAF that DeSouls 2 exists by some insider? Also I hope its a collaboration b/w FROM and Sony because then we can have best of the two worlds: Sony leading the technical side to make it look the best like their 1st party exclusives and FROM doing the gameplay and design. What we have seen, FROM doesn't push much in terms of visuals.
Hell yeah! +1
Great to see posts like this. I remember seeing first shots of the Vanguard Demon in 4-1, etc. and being intrigued. HK version at my local import shop and the rest was history. Such a fun discovery to a series full of discovery itself.It's funny thinking of Demons Souls now. I remember seeing the videos of it before the japanese/asian release and seeing it get laughed at on GAF (as some of the promo footage WAS a bit rough) But upon finding out that the HK version had english subs I imported it and played the shit out of it. The streams then started to get people interested and it was just fun watching people slowly start to get into the series and become ever increasingly popular. I wasn't a member of GAF at the time but it was fun to watch
I'll never get rid of my original HK version of Demons Souls, that's got a special place in my collection.
Keep your eyes peeled, all!
You caught me. I'm aligned with PC and I don't think exclusive games are a good thing for consumers.
Melchiah
Member
I agree, when there's no reason for the game to be excluded from other platforms, but if Sony owns the rights, the only way there would be a sequel made is through them. So, it's either exclusive sequel, or no sequel at all.
From didn't have any trouble getting a sequel funded; that was Dark Souls. The issue with getting a "Demon's Souls 2" is the fact that Sony owns the IP. It's not really comparable to Bayonetta 2 at all.
pretty done
Member
Vita doesn't have enough buttons for a Souls game. PS4 or bust.
Metalingus5150
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Melchiah
Member
Well, that pretty much rules out the possibility of other publishers getting it made.
semiconscious
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It's funny thinking of Demons Souls now. I remember seeing the videos of it before the japanese/asian release and seeing it get laughed at on GAF (as some of the promo footage WAS a bit rough) But upon finding out that the HK version had english subs I imported it and played the shit out of it. The streams then started to get people interested and it was just fun watching people slowly start to get into the series and become ever increasingly popular. I wasn't a member of GAF at the time but it was fun to watch
I'll never get rid of my original HK version of Demons Souls, that's got a special place in my collection.
there'd be no dark souls without people like us. & only dark souls fans who've never played demon's souls could possibly fail to understand why those of us who loved demon's souls would love some more of it...
too much of a good thing? i don't think so
...Liabe Brave
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Last August after the first round of rumors I said that to me a new King's Field game makes more sense than Demon's Souls 2. The first one was a spiritual sequel to KF, why not make a real sequel? It's a long-term Sony franchise, and has the same sort of grim, haunting atmosphere. And despite the aesthetic similarities there might be in two dark fantasy games by one developer, keeping King's Field's first-person perspective and exploration elements would differentiate it from the Dark Souls series--more like a cross between that and a death-saturated, nightmarish Skyrim. Slap a cool name on it like King's Field: Infinite Sorrow, and call it a day.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Hmm, clearly Atlus's US PR manager would be in the know about what is happening in Japan at Sony and From Software. But I'd like to hear from Bungie's sound director or 2K Sports lead programmer just to confirm this storySo, I just accidentally stumbled over that little comment on Playstation blog from an Atlus employee:
"PS Blog Exclusive: can 100% confirm there will NOT be a Demon Souls 2.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014...ps3-in-north-america/comment-page-2/#comments
Demon's Souls is a Sony IP and they'd publish it by themselves anyway if it's real, so that dude wouldn't know right, RIGHT??
The Silver
Member
A FROM made Demon's Souls backed with Sony production values would really steal the thunder out of the Dark Souls series given how similar they are.
I fail to see why it needs to be like Dark Souls
Nightengale
Member
It's more likely than not going to be sufficiently differentiated.
Kinda like how Freedom Wars look different compared to God Eater. Made by the same developers, have a lot of the same game design and post-apocalytic setting, but differed enough that FW will likely stand on its own ground compared to God Eater.
Kenshin001
Member
Lol. The same genre, same developer, same publisher, same aesthetic, same character design, same combat, same half of name etc.
Nightengale
Member
Wouldn't be the first time if it happened.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAMES
What kind of production values? I doubt they'd give the game an Uncharted or God of War budget. Any next-gen Souls game will still look great though.
Well there's no way they would make a DeS2 that didn't borrow from Dark Souls.
The Silver
Member
There's really no guarantee a Demon's Souls 2 would even have a nexus, the lols to be had if they went with an open world for the game.
It'd probably have something like a Nexus (Dark Souls 2 has Majula which is a similar type of hub) but I highly highly doubt there wouldn't be an open world. What would be the point? It'd just be a downgrade.
It was supposed to be a joke, as in every thread about any game here on GAF someone says "this game should be more like Dark Souls" or "give it to Platinum"
It was supposed to be a joke, as in every thread about any game here on GAF someone says "this game should be more like Dark Souls" or "give it to Platinum"
I sometimes think I'm the only gamer on NeoGAF not in love with Platinum games. I don't hate them, but to be honest, I don't really like their games (Vanquish is pretty cool, though, but I've only played an hour or two of it).
Neff
Member
Anyone telling themselves that Dark Souls isn't part of the same franchise as Demon's Souls in all but not entirely dissimilar name has their head glued quite firmly up their ass.
They have some rules specific to one another, but the engine, mechanics, controls, physics, aesthetic, leveling, and item creation in both games is identical. They are far more alike than not.
As for the real question at hand, it entirely depends on Sony, and how much money they think it's worth to wheedle FS back from Namco for an exclusive.
They have some rules specific to one another, but the engine, mechanics, controls, physics, aesthetic, leveling, and item creation in both games is identical. They are far more alike than not.
As for the real question at hand, it entirely depends on Sony, and how much money they think it's worth to wheedle FS back from Namco for an exclusive.
Nope. They reported that a PR guy from Atlus said it. Which is irrelevant because Atlus has nothing to do with what is rumored to be in the works. (From + Sony.)
Disappointing that IGN would run that story as is; unsurprising though.
There is subtle enough differences that they could take Demon's Souls in a slightly different direction. I'd still like to see them use the IP instead of just sit on it. Unlike something like the annual Call of Duty, these games would have different lead directors and designers planning out their vision for their version of the game.
Sort of what Square does(or did) with Final Fantasy. They popped off VII, VIII and IX in a span of only 4 years. Different worlds, different directors and different takes on the same series. Pretty sure no one was opposed to that.
Sort of what Square does(or did) with Final Fantasy. They popped off VII, VIII and IX in a span of only 4 years. Different worlds, different directors and different takes on the same series. Pretty sure no one was opposed to that.
Goodness me. Why am I surprised? Amazing how these huge sites can still get a whiff of something like this and cough it out as a news story. I wonder if they will finally regain some credibility this generation...
People who turn to these sites will see stuff like this and be mislead because they don't know better. Very disappointing indeed.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Or maybe because a lot of people prefer Demons Souls to Dark Souls.
A next gen Souls game will be a megaton and something this world needs.
Heck it may not even be Demons Souls but a new Miyazaki IP.
flatearthpandas
Member
I don't consider myself Sony, a Sony fanboy, or incapable of understanding the relation between Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. But I would love a Demon's Souls 2 so I can buy a game for my PS4. Dark Souls 3 would be fine too, but a PS4 Demon's Souls 2 seems like the earlier remedy so I will continue to want that for now.
Yep. Agreed with all of the above.
On top of that, it would probably be a rather easy "side" project to stem for From Software since they could leverage tech and assets developed for the Dark Souls series. Similar to how they built DkS on the foundation of DeS. Have two teams working on both "franchises" and profit from the synergies between them does sound like a good idea to me.
immortal-joe
Member
Deep Down is Sony's attempt on making its own Demon's Souls. That game clearly takes after Demon's Souls, while adding the whole randomly generated dungeons angle in a misguided attempt to appeal to the western gamer (Capcom being Capcom). All that will do is hurt the game's level-design.
I don't know how people could possibly believe we can have a true Demon's Soul 2 now that Dark Souls is off and running.
I don't know how people could possibly believe we can have a true Demon's Soul 2 now that Dark Souls is off and running.
Nightengale
Member
Deep Down? It's not even Sony-published. If anything, I see it as a temporary stopgap exclusivity buy from Sony while they work on the actual game.
As for how people can believe it? Considering that Sony is hiring the same devs who worked on God Eater to basically make a scifi version of God Eater with spiderman twist,why not?
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
Unless they take it in a drastically different direction from Dark Souls, I don't really see the point, and I suppose the market wouldn't either.
Sinfamy
Member
As excited as I am for Dark Souls 2, I would be even more excited for a Demons Souls 2.
The entire Boletaria, Monumental and King Allant lore is incredible.
Its a very different atmosphere and game then Dark Souls.
Its hard to put into words, but I went back and played it again, so good.
The entire Boletaria, Monumental and King Allant lore is incredible.
Its a very different atmosphere and game then Dark Souls.
Its hard to put into words, but I went back and played it again, so good.
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