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Any reason; why the UI in the older 'Before' screens look crisp/detailed when compared to the video stream (which is obvious), while the render resolutions looks similar?
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Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
- Thread starter Moral Panic
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Any reason; why the UI in the older 'Before' screens look crisp/detailed when compared to the video stream (which is obvious), while the render resolutions looks similar?
Zombie James
Banned
What an embarrassment.
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
A couple more:
Before:
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Before:
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The specular shading on the Mirror Knight is far less prominent now. Looks like dull metal now.
Before:
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Before:
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The specular shading on the Mirror Knight is far less prominent now. Looks like dull metal now.
All I was able to get from them was
the "more" has me intrigued, I guess we will all see in due time.
Should have been a bit more specific.
IE Specular Highlights, texture resolution, normal maps, etc.
Why did I have to check this thread? Cannot unsee now. :'( I know people say there's not much difference between the two Mirror Knight versions, but I work with light every day (film) and there are huge differences in atmosphere. The retail version looks like a stage because of the lighting, like a closed controlled environment (in film it would mean the lighting would betray the set built for the film)...the demo version looks part of the world, with such an oppressive and angry background and creates such an immersive feeling.
I'm not a guy that puts graphics for the sake of graphics at the top and I couldn't care less for technical shenanigans ... however atmosphere and immersion are some of the most important features for me and I loved even the Dark Souls console graphical aspect because it was one of the few games that gave me such a powerful sense of its universe. From the screens and comparison videos I've seen in this thread (I don't want to spoil the game too much for myself), in the retail version I really don't feel the crushing power of the environment, that organic feeling I felt while playing Dark Souls.
As for the torch mechanic, I don't know what to say... I just remember the emphasis made on it for such a long time. This stuck into my mind and hyped me senseless the first time, just thinking of an optimised Tomb of the Giants.
Metalingus5150
Member
Even though I'm a console guy.
I hope that the PC version is leaps and bounds beyond the console version.
I hope that the PC version is leaps and bounds beyond the console version.
Wow the Mirror Knight video confirms that the downgrade isn't just to do with torches. I hope the PC version looks like the demo :'(. For one, the giant mirror actually reflects light instead of being a black hole.
Namco just saying 'higher framerate and more!' just doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid.
I doubt they'd have answered it if it was specific.
Namco just saying 'higher framerate and more!' just doesn't cut it for me I'm afraid.
I doubt they'd have answered it if it was specific.
Dictator93
Member
Durante isn't an end all solution to everything.
PetriP-TNT
Member
This topic really needs more JPEG artifacts, because that's the true Dark Souls way of comparing screenshots.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
That's actually MPEG, AVI or WMV artifacts, thank you.
Nonsense.
eot
Banned
What do you even mean by that? It's not like the game doesn't have dynamic light sources.
KennyLinder
Member
Was that hallway with the lightning in the beta on PS3?
D Bo Chops
Member
Comparison of the Hall, this is fucking awful.
DEMO
RETAIL
The torches are gone.
Characted no longer gets lit when the thunder falls.
Everything looks flat.
The sorcerer dude at the end of the hall is now replaced with a standard tower shield wielding guy...
I don't think that area was even in the net work test. That's the hallway to the Mirror Knight I think, which wasn't in the test.
justsomeguy
Member
"Isn't an end all solution to everything" would be an epic tag
KennyLinder
Member
OK cool. I was just wondering if it had ever been seen running on PS3 (that scene). I would of thought the PS Access footage would of been from a PS3 considering the commentary (the video is on the site).
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
No kidding, this mess is comparable to this:
How about hiring competent programmers so we could have good lighting and a stable framerate?
Comparison of the Hall, this is fucking awful.
DEMO
RETAIL
The torches are gone.
Characted no longer gets lit when the thunder falls.
Everything looks flat.
Umm... The character does get lit when thunder falls. Pay attention.
jimmypython
Member
was just gonna say this,..but yeah, except this time it's on the same hardware lol
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I still think is quite significant, regarding geometry, textures and effects like the rain. But yeah, the retail finall look is not that bad.
No kidding, this mess is comparable to this:
What is unfortunate is you cannot get Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow working on PC anymore at all. Double Agent version is based off of the 360/PS3 version which is objectively worse than the different version that was released on Xbox/PS2.
So we basically miss out on two awesome Splinter Cell games on PC entirely. Emulation saves the day for me in this respect.
I think From just bit off more than they can chew, all of these effects are very expensive and very difficult to pull off on the last-gen consoles.
It's crazy how ignorant you are.
I just imagined they starting with the PC as the main platform and going "HEY LOOK AT ALL THE COOL SHIT WE CAN ADD TO THE GAME"
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Comparison of the Hall, this is fucking awful.
DEMO
RETAIL
The torches are gone.
Characted no longer gets lit when the thunder falls.
Everything looks flat.
All that awesome ambientation is really lost on the retail. The fight itself dosn't look that bad, but damn if that hall was a big downgrade in every aspect.
I still hope that From managed to pull that on the PC version.
Orthogonal
Member
I never heard that, source? Everything I've seen said DirectX 9.0c
I'd say that, but didn't his original dark souls solution actually work on several other games even though Durante said
Metalingus5150
Member
On the steam site, they recommend directx 9 though. Hope there is some DirectX 11 stuff.
You're not serious.
jimmypython
Member
DX11 stuff is for PS4/Xbone/next PC re-relesae~ believe!lol
NeededSleep
Member
So is this what we can expect from the new engine?
How does this compare to the old engine? Is it an upgrade at all?
How does this compare to the old engine? Is it an upgrade at all?
Orthogonal
Member
The new engine is capable of delivering way beyond the previous (as the demo proves), unfortunately, the PS360 isn't capable of running with all the bells-and-whistles.
eot
Banned
Last year someone suggested DICE should fire their programmers because BF4 wasn't 1080p on PS4 heh.
If I remember correctly from another thread, according to PSN the digital version was 5.3 GB
EDIT: I just re-checked on the UK store and the digital version says 5.1 GB
Programmers aren't magicians. Even if you hire 50 Carmacks, you would only be able to do so much on 8 year old hardware.
Orthogonal
Member
Cool, thanks. Guess we'll have to wait for Dark Souls 3 to see it in action on Consoles.
Comparison of the Hall, this is fucking awful.
DEMO
RETAIL
The torches are gone.
Characted no longer gets lit when the thunder falls.
Everything looks flat.
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っThat's probably the biggest downgrade comparison yet. It would be really nice if the PC version still had all of these effects. It won't stop me from buying it, but it might make me wait for a sale if this actually has gameplay impact.
Well, if they created their engine for x86/x64 with PC/next-gen in mind, going back to powerPC and Cell adds an extra level of difficulty.
Certainly plausible.
This is my big worry.
This isn't just a lighting change, after all. Textures and geometry are also different.