Whelp..... I'm inclined to say that Sony is responsible then. And at a minimum they need to have this fixed immediately.
Whelp..... I'm inclined to say that Sony is responsible then. And at a minimum they need to have this fixed immediately.
No, I don't want a retina scan, how did you get that impression? A password confirmation by default, where you have the option to not be asked ever again. I'd like to see this as the default option.
No, but if it's already turned on and the controller is in use by PS4, plugging it into a PS3 will continue to send inputs to PS4 in addition to sending it through the cable. Just did it, it works. PS4 was in the DM, PS3 was running Beyond at the time.
So... you take a DS4 that is currently synced with a PS4 while the PS4 is on, and plug it into a PS3?
Who on earth thinks that is a good idea?
I don't see why Sony should refund them. And why would someone want to use the DS4 on the PS3?
This is a terrible fucking thread title.
The DS4 works on the PS3 via USB cable connection. The bluetooth is PS4 only. It was mentioned earlier in the topic. Maybe you should read first before you bash Nintendo's competitors.
So... you take a DS4 that is currently synced with a PS4 while the PS4 is on, and plug it into a PS3?
Who on earth thinks that is a good idea?
It would be in Sony's best interests to make these customers happy.
I honestly don't know how someone would even expect Sony to refund them.
I'm just saying its not a good way to gauge whether a refund should be given or not.
It's going to be hard to know if a refund is for a genuine error or not so I can see why they will refuse
Because it was sending out wireless signals to a console that never turned off.So why does the DS4 send out wireless commands, when it's fucking connected to a console and can send and is actually sending controller input via cable? It makes no sense.
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So... you take a DS4 that is currently synced with a PS4 while the PS4 is on, and plug it into a PS3?
Who on earth thinks that is a good idea?
How is that an error? That was the intention! If Sony is going to advocate using the DS4 with the PS3, they absolutely must inform consumers that the two devices can be controlled simultaneously. Unfortunately they obviously didn't realize that could happen.Then it's user error for having his PS4 on. It downloads in standby, there was no need to have it on.
Although, it would be in Sony's interest to refund these and remove the digital licences. Good consumer relations is what got them to 6 million consoles earlier than they predicted.
And apparently people at Sony still don't believe it's possible.People who didn't think it was possible for the controller to send inputs to two devices at once? I certainly wouldn't have thought that.
So why does the DS4 send out wireless commands, when it's fucking connected to a console and can send and is actually sending controller input via cable? It makes no sense.
It's a design flaw. I guess you could also control 2 PS4s because of this at the same time. Which again makes no sense at all.
Because it was sending out wireless signals to a console that never turned off.
No you can't. Like the Wii/WiiU, once a DS4 is coupled with a PS4, it will only control that PS4.
This is just stupid. The PS4 pad is not designed for the PS3 so obviously use at your own risk.
I disagree they say it can be used but the users that it purchased for should be responsible.Whelp..... I'm inclined to say that Sony is responsible then. And at a minimum they need to have this fixed immediately.
There's no reason to disconnect your PS4 power cord. Just don't ever press the PS button on the DS4. It serves no function anyway. Connect DS4 to PS3 via USB. Make sure PS4 is turned off, play your game.
In fact, as soon as your DS4 is plugged in via USB, it is no longer possible to turn your PS4 on using the controller. So the OP must have already had his PS4 on, then plugged that DS4 into his PS3. That's just dumb.
I just tried it. PS4 is off. DS4 gets plugged in to PS3. PS button is now disabled and is unable to power on the PS4. Why is that so difficult?
That is assuming the DualShock 4 is even sending wired signals to the PS4..When it's connected to PS4 via cable. Why in the hell does it send out commands using wireless as well. The PS4 can't take both into account. Which means one of those will get ignored in any case, which means one of those isn't needed and shouldn't have been sent out in the first place..
The PlayStation 3 controller can have the same flaw. I haven't tested if it sends button presses, but I know it can turn on two consoles at the same time.I wonder if DS3 has the same flaw. Can't test it because I don't own 2 PS3s.
Mistaken purchases aren't exactly a valid revenue stream, so Sony should give the refunds. I guess it's these captive marketplaces that make companies forget about good will gestures.
It can only do so if you never turn off the first one.This thread actually shows that this is not the case. DS4 seems to sent out inputs via wireless and cable at the same time. And Sony never thought of the possibility that wireless could go to another console and not the same console that the controller is connected to via cable.
Gonna quote this for clarity.The DS4 is NOT CAPABLE of turning on your PS4 while it is connected to your PS3. The only way to replicate what the OP experienced is to have your PS4 powered on prior to connecting that controller to your PS3. Why would you do that?
Yep. But when people line up to justify it for them, can you really be surprised when refunds never happen?
How is that an error? That was the intention!
The DS4 is NOT CAPABLE of turning on your PS4 while it is connected to your PS3. The only way to replicate what the OP experienced is to have your PS4 powered on prior to connecting that controller to your PS3. Why would you do that?
The DS4 is NOT CAPABLE of turning on your PS4 while it is connected to your PS3. The only way to replicate what the OP experienced is to have your PS4 powered on prior to connecting that controller to your PS3. Why would you do that?
That is assuming the DualShock 4 is even sending wired signals to the PS4..
The PlayStation 3 controller can have the same flaw. I haven't tested if it sends button presses, but I know it can turn on two consoles at the same time.
This is the big thing really. For the scenarios in the original post to happen the controller would have to be specifically paired up with the PS4 wirelessly before using it on the PS3.
This is the big thing really. For the scenarios in the original post to happen the controller would have to be specifically paired up with the PS4 wirelessly before using it on the PS3.
Certainly has nothing to do with Dark Souls 2, at any rate.
When it's connected to PS4 via cable. Why in the hell does it send out commands using wireless as well. The PS4 can't take both into account. Which means one of those will get ignored in any case, which means one of those isn't needed and shouldn't have been sent out in the first place.
I wonder if DS3 has the same flaw. Can't test it because I don't own 2 PS3s.
This thread actually shows that this is not the case. DS4 seems to sent out inputs via wireless and cable at the same time. And Sony never thought of the possibility that wireless could go to another console and not the same console that the controller is connected to via cable.
I definitely do not see this as a user fault. It's like having a wireless keyboard, which also supports USB. And when you connect it via USB, it will still send out commands via wireless at the same time - which may be another computer altogether. It simply doesn't make any sense to do it like this.
Someone in this thread owns 2 PS3s and could check this? Would be very interesting.
I don't have a problem with most refunds but this is different, this is the users responsibiltiy to make sure the ps4 was off before using it on another system.Yep. But when people line up to justify it for them, can you really be surprised when refunds never happen?
It's definitely a funny situation, but I wonder how it is technically possible... the communication between the controller and a console is two-way, there should be some kind of identification on both ends when establishing the link, I suppose, unlike with IR remotes where you're just broadcasting commands for everything in the room to receive. How can the controller not "know" there are two consoles trying to talk to it, and more importantly how/why can it handle both ?
I don't have a problem with most refunds but this is different, this is the users responsibiltiy to make sure the ps4 was off before using it on another system.
It's not Sony's responsibility to make sure that it's off, it would be different if this would allow it to turn the ps4 on when the ps3 is being used with the ds4.
I'll go test it outSomeone in this thread owns 2 PS3s and could check this? Would be very interesting.
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