iNvid02
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along with the supposedly underwhelming pre-order numbers? then yeah, i think all of that combined made them realize this was going to hurt them
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UC4 Game Director Justin Richmond Leaves ND (And famousmortimer leaves GAF #1393)
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along with the supposedly underwhelming pre-order numbers? then yeah, i think all of that combined made them realize this was going to hurt them
Yeah ... No. There is a massive difference between making a mistake and running with a libelous rumor all over the net that hurts a family. It's fine to apologize, but what he did is far worse than, for example, what Adam Orth did on Twitter ... And there have been massive rants on here about how he can't be forgiven.
The fact is, unless a leak is about making conditions better for someone - working hours and the like - it's really no ones business. It our prurient nature craving more information, but the leakers are doing it for purely self-serving reasons. And, if they don't get the high from all the acclaim and attention, they start making stuff up or running with specious or suspicious information. A simple email would have made it easy to clarify the reality --- but noooo, let's run with the tabloid gossip and mess with private individuals lives.
This is one of those situations where it is absolutely appropriate for someone to lay in the bed they made.
TheLegendary
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Saw this coming a mile away. The Mortimer, situation, that is. All the best to Col and his family.
Sickboy007
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The two things aren't mutually exclusive either. The kind of people that preorder a console are exactly the ones that would be aware of such an issue.
Neuromancer
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not_so_special
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oh boy this thread keeps giving...
Unfortunately I find the last few pages and comments on Dodd's blog very polarizing for me. How much punishment is necessary when you make a mistake under your real name on the internet? Should people be given free rein to insult you, protected from reprisals by the subject's inability to respond, and the mood of the moment? Should history be rewritten to diminish you? Should you never be allowed back in to the community you once participated in and helped empower? Should your career prospects die, and your business ventures fail? Should you be persona non grata everywhere? Should these things be celebrated, because you will have "deserved it?"
How much should someone pay for their mistake, GAF? As I hope things go well for Col Rodgers, I also hope things go well for Pete Dodd. As people become less and less anonymous on the internet, the best privilege seems to be being able to make mistakes in private. But we have all made mistakes.
How much should someone pay for their mistake, GAF? As I hope things go well for Col Rodgers, I also hope things go well for Pete Dodd. As people become less and less anonymous on the internet, the best privilege seems to be being able to make mistakes in private. But we have all made mistakes.
You can also go to the chrome store and download the apng compatibility extension.
Neuromancer
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It's ok by me
Canis lupus
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Rumors about always online Xbone and PS4 surfaced about 2 years ago
http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/
http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details
At some point Sony definetly discussed online DRM. But starting from last year, at the height of next gen rumors, specifically the vgleaks/Edge articles and onwards, there was no more rumor about it. I think this points to Sony ditching the drm idea by then, although maybe not completely(80/20), waiting on what MS was doing(thats why drm PS4 rumor resurfaced around E3 after the backlash MS got, to remind people Sony had a similar idea), after the commotion the possibility was gone forever.
http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/
http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details
At some point Sony definetly discussed online DRM. But starting from last year, at the height of next gen rumors, specifically the vgleaks/Edge articles and onwards, there was no more rumor about it. I think this points to Sony ditching the drm idea by then, although maybe not completely(80/20), waiting on what MS was doing(thats why drm PS4 rumor resurfaced around E3 after the backlash MS got, to remind people Sony had a similar idea), after the commotion the possibility was gone forever.
What are you talking about?
Yes, the people who paid attention to Sony's comments after the announcement did know what they were going to do.
Moreover, I have no idea how saying the NoDRM hashtag didn't do anything is spitting on Mort.
Mr Moose
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As a person who has made major career and location decisions because of a sick child, I feel for Col and am glad Mort apologized (if that is indeed the case). Best wishes to you Col, and thank you for your work on prior Evolution games.
That said, Mort's speculation was no different than the pages of wild speculation that proceeded it. The only difference is that he is (and should be) held to a higher standard because of his history as an "insider". So maybe instead of burning him in effigy, we could use this moment for a bit of introspection, because his larger point that we were blindly constructing elaborate conspiracies was valid.
Also, the comments on his apology post on his blog are embarrassing. I only hope that's not some of you freed from "GAF rules" letting out your true selves, because it's kind of gross.
That said, Mort's speculation was no different than the pages of wild speculation that proceeded it. The only difference is that he is (and should be) held to a higher standard because of his history as an "insider". So maybe instead of burning him in effigy, we could use this moment for a bit of introspection, because his larger point that we were blindly constructing elaborate conspiracies was valid.
Also, the comments on his apology post on his blog are embarrassing. I only hope that's not some of you freed from "GAF rules" letting out your true selves, because it's kind of gross.
Didn't he say the supposed DRM method would be offline based anyway? Absoloutely nothing of what Yosp says in that interview disputes that. This going with Boyes saying the campaign pushed them further in the no DRM direction - how could this be true if it was never considered?
Air Zombie Meat
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It's funny you posted this quote because at the time people saw it as confirmation that XBone like drm would be implemented in most games. "If it's left up to the publishers, most games will have it!" etc
PJV3
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Some of the comments on his blog are sad, Col is dealing with the situation and has handled it in a calm and respectable manner.
Dodd has been screwed by his own actions, all the bile is nothing but point scoring and gloating. If people don't like the guy, then read another blog or something, he isn't important enough in the gaming world to need his opinion.
Perhaps they would have if not for the fallout of the XB1 unveil. EA, Ubisoft and Activision are not exactly strangers to it.
Air Zombie Meat
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Possibly. I'm just saying that that quote didn't confirm that there would be no xbone like drm. It did the exact opposite and made people panic.
Big problem with that line of thinking is that Sony has already decided they would not implement any form of DRM. Any DRM would be at the behest of the publisher. Why then, did gamers everywhere decide on a #PS4noDRM, not a #PublishersnoDRM campaign?
People were worried that Sony would force DRM into its system, that was the main worry, what the media outlets were insinuating, what industry bygones were saying, what MS fanboys were hoping for, what sony fanboys were afraid of.
Equating publisher-introduced DRM with Sony introducing DRM is history revisionism and should be avoided at all costs.
Well a lot of the panic came after the Orth fiasco, plus around the time a Sony patent resurfaced showing an offline DRM method. Considering the PRish answers we started getting from, well, PR people and that several people in the press were doubling down on their beliefs that Sony would employ DRM and you can't blame people for getting anxious. This all came out right after the Sim City always online shitstorm too.
Because Sony had not said they wouldn't implement DRM. They said they wouldn't have always-online DRM and that used games would be a thing (even that was said in a very sidesteppy way)
Should be does not necessarily mean Must be.
Im not trying to be a smartass but I really dont see the problem with animated PNG.
Can a mod clarify this? (please dont ban me).
Is that really side-steppy though? Interviewer asked if used games would be a thing. Yosp responds with you can use used games. Pretty straight forward if you ask me.
I blame MS's stupidly vague only-at-approved-retailers-trade-in-program for all the uncertainty.
Lol that's some nitpicking. Static images only means no animated whatever. Just change it
**** like this makes me think why the thread is still going when it has obviously run its course.
hmm, if that's the case is there any mod who can temporarily remove my avatar, because I can't remove it on my android phone. Don't want to be getting banned unnecessarily. >.>
Air Zombie Meat
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I don't blame people for having doubts at all. I was one of them. It's other posters that are doing that. But this is getting more and more off topic now so I'll drop it.
Aren't there also offline forms of DRM? Like the oldschool cd key for example? Back then those comments weren't enough to ease my worries
Is there something wrong with what I said?
lol i guess you're right.
ill change it in the next few minutes.
travisbickle
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I'm guessing we would have got a $400 PS4 with camera if MS had gone for that price point? or were Sony just trying to beat their price?
jim-jam bongs
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Look, regardless of whether the entire basis for famousmortimer's infamy was completely fabricated or not, can we all agree that his overuse of the enter key when posting was annoying as fuck?
All that whitespace made me SO MAD.
All that whitespace made me SO MAD.
Druckmann dropping truth bombs on IGN and GAF. :/
The difference is that on GAF a member that does that has to suffer the consequences for spreading bullshit. On IGN, it's business as usual.
Edit: And Druckman suggests as much in that tweet.
CD keys mean no used games, but they confirmed used games.
mckmas8808
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Of course NOT! Sony more than likely wasn't doing DRM regardless, but lets not act like Sony wasn't trying to give the fans what they wanted at E3.
Sony saw the #PS4NODRM hash tag (or whatever the tag was) and responded to it in a smart way. The video that Adam Boyles and Shu did was in response to Mort's push for No DRM.
Mort screwed up, but we don't have to change history in order to try to erase him and his small piece accomplishment in video game history away.
PanicFreak
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Malicious intent? Probably not. Revealing himself to be a self-absorbed wanker who doesn't think things through before he hits post? Absolutely.
While it's probably a safe bet to say Sony did do research on DRM, you can't just speculate.
Here's an anonymous quote from a Western dev, talking about Nintendo.
That honestly reads like fanboy jibberish, but that HAPPENED.
If you wanna claim inside knowledge, you have to at least get the shitcanned/leftduetopersonalreasons aspect of the story right.
Steverulez
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He already admitted on numerous times beforehand that he loved the attention, something like this was going to happen sooner or later Its probably why he wont stop digging himself in a bigger hole on his website...
As carefully as I can-
I want to apologize for any bad information that I've ever given. The fact of the matter is I know developers, I have friends in the industry, and I do know things- but I've also been misled, and told the wrong thing plenty of times. In the same breath, I've been told things that were spot on, correct, and have come true even when I doubted it from the exact same person. I've learned one thing over the past year-
This idea that a bulletproof insider exists is ludicrous. The best of them have told me things privately that have turned out to be wrong. This doesn't mean they were intentionally lying, or trying to misconstrue the truth- the reality is, bad information is bad information, and its everywhere, even with the best journalists, developers, "insiders", and MODs on this forum. Everything is a pinch of salt.
My avatar is a parrot. I speak what I hear. Mock me for what I am. A bird.
The last few months have become awful to digest. Lay offs, major news outlets (IGN) posting sensationalist journalistic backwash, falling apart with some of our favorite GAF members, and developers in the industry getting hurt both professionally and personally.
I can't speak for anyone else, but myself. I am not a guy looking to get famous on the internet, or become popular on GAF. I like videogames, I like helping people, and I like cupcakes.
I hope we don't continue the next 15 pages discussing why someone got fired, how credible insiders are, or begin mocking members for their long term goals. I'm hitting the reset button. If anyone has any questions about why I said whatever I said in the past, feel free to PM me.
One last thing- Mr. Col Rodgers- I am praying for your son. I did an externship for Pediatric Nephrology at Harvard, and have worked with experts in this field. If you ever need anything feel free to pm me, email me, or whatever. I want to publicly let you know, I am humiliated and saddened by everything that has went on the last month and as a human being- I want to extend my hand.
Alright GAF, feel free to BBQ me.
I want to apologize for any bad information that I've ever given. The fact of the matter is I know developers, I have friends in the industry, and I do know things- but I've also been misled, and told the wrong thing plenty of times. In the same breath, I've been told things that were spot on, correct, and have come true even when I doubted it from the exact same person. I've learned one thing over the past year-
This idea that a bulletproof insider exists is ludicrous. The best of them have told me things privately that have turned out to be wrong. This doesn't mean they were intentionally lying, or trying to misconstrue the truth- the reality is, bad information is bad information, and its everywhere, even with the best journalists, developers, "insiders", and MODs on this forum. Everything is a pinch of salt.
My avatar is a parrot. I speak what I hear. Mock me for what I am. A bird.
The last few months have become awful to digest. Lay offs, major news outlets (IGN) posting sensationalist journalistic backwash, falling apart with some of our favorite GAF members, and developers in the industry getting hurt both professionally and personally.
I can't speak for anyone else, but myself. I am not a guy looking to get famous on the internet, or become popular on GAF. I like videogames, I like helping people, and I like cupcakes.
I hope we don't continue the next 15 pages discussing why someone got fired, how credible insiders are, or begin mocking members for their long term goals. I'm hitting the reset button. If anyone has any questions about why I said whatever I said in the past, feel free to PM me.
One last thing- Mr. Col Rodgers- I am praying for your son. I did an externship for Pediatric Nephrology at Harvard, and have worked with experts in this field. If you ever need anything feel free to pm me, email me, or whatever. I want to publicly let you know, I am humiliated and saddened by everything that has went on the last month and as a human being- I want to extend my hand.
Alright GAF, feel free to BBQ me.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think you are good dude. cBoaT is fine. We are okay if your track record isn't 100%. Just own up to it when wrong and explain why you could/are wrong with that leak and move along.
And just keep the personal stuff out of your leaks and you'll be fine.
dragonbane
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Sony has a patent for offline cd verification. They could have provided major retailers with machines to de-authorize discs again. So this DRM system technically could support used discs and offline
TheLostBigBoss
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dragonbane
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You are a good dude.
DarkLordMalik
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That was a decent post and i have nothing against you. I like how you leak stuff sometimes, and it turns out to be true sometimes. However, you should accept that your leaked stuff was wrong(and it has been aplenty), just like you are quick to come forward and take credit when your leaked stuff is correct. Talking personally about others is a big no, but i guess you should have learned that by now.
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