Well, the most convincing argument for the disproportionate outrage which I've seen so far is that they were showing off their vertical slice build too recently. Which honestly seems like a flimsy reason to lose your shit.
So it's a well optimized port, with better textures and shadows, it runs at 60hz even on relatively old machines, it has a fair amount of graphics options, and people are losing their shit because... ?
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Dark Souls II - Graphics Comparison - PC Preview
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DrROBschiz
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Expect the worst, while hoping for the best?
Sure, we lost the amazing lighting and details from reveal/TGS, but the reality is we aren't getting those. Seems like we got an excellent port otherwise.
I never agreed that From/Namco intentionally mislead consumers. As Durante said, those arguments are flimsy at best. Other than a few inconsistencies, both From and Namco have only been showing retail console footage starting in ~January.
I kinda guessed the PC version would not match those early Alpha builds. That is reserved for Dark Souls 3 on PC, Xbox One and PS4 only. They they won't be held back by aging tech.
In the mean time the PC Dark Souls 2 looks perfectly good. Solid framerate and 1080p though I still hope Durante does some tweaks to it but I will now happily buy the PC version.
Bring on more souls!
In the mean time the PC Dark Souls 2 looks perfectly good. Solid framerate and 1080p though I still hope Durante does some tweaks to it but I will now happily buy the PC version.
Bring on more souls!
DrROBschiz
Member
I just happy to move on at this point
Give them time to hit the Next Gen levels on the next game Bamco
PLZ
I stand by my statement. It looks worse. The animations, the ssao, the textures are worse. Even the art style, aesthetics is more Dragons Dogma than Dark Souls.
This is the line of thinking I find bothersome; "that" game doesn't exist on consoles or PC...so either pick it up or don't. You are getting the best version on PC regardless, and undoubtedly there will be mods made in the weeks/months/years to come.
Never forget
I fully understand the initial disappointment, but were people expecting the PC version to look like the top gif?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'm not convinced this really is a "new engine" in the strictest sense of the word. What they showed initially? Yes, that was a new engine with bells and whistles on. Then clearly something happened and they went back to some half step between the old engine and some new improvements. Things like the "moon glitch" occurring (but on an even more worryingly disastrous scale) are clear signals of that.
Metalingus5150
Member
Of course
I'd lose my humanity and go hollow if that happens.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Look at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGaoLJCFU0
No they weren't they were a lot lot better than DS2's hitboxes.
TimeEffect
Member
Extremely tempted to cancel my pre-order and keep the Ps3 version, ugh
Yeah me too..
So, we cant expect PS4 version to be any better, right?
1080p 60fps and graphics options are not enough comparing it to Dark Souls 1 PC port?
DrROBschiz
Member
We can expect the PS4 version to be much like the PC version I would assume.
But thats a lot of assumptions already.
Pretty sure they are gonna port it thought
rogerroger22
Member
IMO - looks good. Yeah, it's not 'pre-release reveal quality', but still an improvement over consoles. 1080p/60fps and damn fast load times (is it time I finally get an SSD?) are worth the double dip for me. Also, being able to play at the same time as my BF instead of needing to take turns all the time ..... "You've already played 6 hours today, it's my turn!" "But..but...but, just one more invasion!"
Believe me it is, techincally it still holds the same dynamic lighting features showed in the early reveal, but when you take all the dynamic lights and shadowcasting and replace it with ambient lights and tick off shadows you end up with what the game looks today. The glitches just reinforce the fact that they scrambled to get the game done in time.
Misterinenja
Member
Yeah this thread is starting to kill my brain cells. There are legit criticisms to be made but how about playing the game first?
See y'all at the OT in 25th! Be wary of bleeding but hole.
CountAntonius
Member
Makes no sense if it did. A next gen port will be based of the PC version and would sell based on those improvements alone. If lighting could be added to one it could be added to both but that would drastically change the way the game is played and that means from would have to patch and tweak two versions that play very differently because of the lighting and torch mechanics.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That looks like exactly the same shit I had to deal with in Dark souls 1.
Looks more like a function of lag than hitboxes.
In 2014? No.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Lost Izalith sucks because it was meant to be a painful area unless you got the shorcut. Still the visual design and consistency in DkS is way better, at least dosn't have N64 fog and PS2 looking areas.
mullet2000
Member
The thing for me is people just latched on to that TGS footage and will not let go.
"Check out this footage"
"Oh, the game doesn't look like that anymore. It was an early vertical slice"
"But it SHOULD look like this if this is what they showed."
"You're right but it doesn't. It's a good port though"
"But it should"
"Ok, but it doesn't"
"But it should! *posts the same two .gifs yet again*"
Like guys, it was disappointing for me too but at some point you gotta accept that the game isn't going to look like that. Send some complains to FROM or Namco if you feel that strongly about it.
I think I found the worst post in this thread guys
Expecting at first, hoping after getting evidence that it probably wasn't going to happen.
DrROBschiz
Member
Exactly
Though I give these guys a bit more leeway....
We are totally burned out on last gen to a fault it seems. That reveal demo was like a crystal ball into a future that isn't yet achievable
I hold out hope for the future now though.
So PC ports in 2014 need to have what, exactly, to be worthy?
Auto-Reply
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I never expected the lighting to be in the pc version, i'm good. Bought!
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
I will never forget.
CountAntonius
Member
They say it was mouse and kb controls and some last second refinements.
could be to get double dippers.
HyperBitHero
Member
Posted this in another thread, but I'll post it in here because this is actually about the topic itself. Thoughts?
When we are talking about a company that isn't experienced with PC versions I think its fine. You guys are making a big fuss over it and then complain when some games are not brought over to PC when you guys behave like this. This behavior does not encourage developers at all to continue their PC efforts or port games over PC.
A whole different lighting system it seems.
OminoMichelin
Member
I'll buy it anyway but yeah, I'm a bit disappointed. 1080p/60 is kind of the bare minimum for a PC port as far as I'm concerned. I would have liked some more substantial upgrades, even beyond the lighting.
edit: like the pics HyperBitHero posted. There's more than just lighting there.
edit: like the pics HyperBitHero posted. There's more than just lighting there.
I like the last half of DS1 a lot, just playing devil's advocate. I think TotG is brilliantly designed. But people hate it. I haven't heard anyone say they think DS2 drops off in quality in the back half. And yeah, Shaded Ruins is pretty damn ugly
More circular arguments?
Might just bow out from this thread now then, as much as I enjoy a bit of spoiler-free Dark Souls II discussion.
Tomb of the Giants was the most intense part of DS2. I was really looking forward to the darker areas, forcing you to switch up your playstyle in the face of adversity is a Souls staple. Listening to the complaints of the lowest common denominator is not.
Confirmed support for resolutions above 1080p and a framerate higher than 60.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
But again, they had a bigger team and budget, so that dosn't really work. Neither the fact they aimed high, since is pretty clear that the vertical built they shown 2 years ago was meant for marketing purposes, this is probably the real game they've been working while that was just typical ubisoft schemes.
And they had the same time (and more ppl) to work in this than in DkS, so that dosn't work either. Is not like calling this the B-team is bad, since From Software has talented ppl all across the board.
Me neither.
Not be ports when they were touted as lead platform.
since From said the PC is lead version I think people were hoping for something more than just upper res+60 fps.
keep showing and hyping it as if it was going to be like the reveal demo, not showing what the game actually look like till late january and not showing the PC version till now( and just removing the bullshots from steam), putting one on the box and you really think they didn't do it on purpose?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Then again shaded ruins lasts around 5 minutes.
Initially, yes, but it gradually became clear that the PC version was just going to be the PS360 build with the usual improvements. The final nail in the coffin for anybody expecting the PC version to be akin to the virtual slice or even the TGS build should have been the updated screenshots on the game's Steam page a few weeks back.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
It is miles better than DeS though.
Changed their minds. Held back by old tech, so everything suffered. Wait till DS3.