So that you can play Forza while skyping your grandma AND working on that company presentation.
Don't forget TV!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2iku7pkbf0
So that you can play Forza while skyping your grandma AND working on that company presentation.
I hear Win 8 or 8.1(?) run games better than 7. I always thought 8 required more ram than 7 does now, if there are no more game compatibility issues with 8 I might upgrade my windows 7..
They would have to start making something that isn't windows/office/visual studio for pcs first.
Not only that but "anyone" will be able to make xbox apps - although they've only announced JavaScript and c++ so far and not c#) and nor have they announced if/how they will be opening up the store to random app devs - I get the impression that will be separate to id@xbox as you'll only need a retail.xbox and a pc, not an xbox dev kit
C# is supported by winrt, and by extension Xbox one too.
They've said that so far the channel for developing xbone apps is indeed Id@x, but I guess that will change as they enable the retail console as a devkit feature.
Presentations is the biggest space I can think of. This is a big part of PowerPoint. It allows embedded content from a slew of office software for presentation. Other use-cases are to fringe in my opinion for MS to care but I can see EVE type games really taking advantage of the features of Excel
you can buy cheap windows tablet for presentations and your laptop is going to be with you anyway... carrying XB1 for presentations would look childish and would not make any sense at all since it is much less portable than a laptop and/or tablet.
you can buy cheap windows tablet for presentations and your laptop is going to be with you anyway... carrying XB1 for presentations would look childish and would not make any sense at all since it is much less portable than a laptop and/or tablet.
As to the EVE - thats 2nd screen stuff. Meaning you are much better off by using your TV for games and then use your tablet, laptop, phone for any other info.
Microsoft is not going to do this, heck they even did not want to do indie games on the XB1 until recently.
Now using similar code for games, thats great. Any TV related apps like Netflix and the rest will come to their phones and tablets easier now, even if input is not the same or even the interface, underlying engine could be and thats most of the work anyway.
WinRT is missing a lot of "common" apps right now and this will help it get all the media apps that XB1 has and might have in the future.
Universal app refers to having a single unified api for all development. If you're a good developer you will still write custom user interfaces for each form factor.I think one of Microsoft's issues with universal apps is that apps made for touch don't work well in a desktop, or on a console. In the same vein, apps made for a mouse won't work well for touch, or a controller. Even in the android ecosystem, you have apps made for phones that are terrible for tablets and often the only ones available. The universal app thing always sounds neat, one OS for all, etc., but in practice, it isn't very practical.
I took it to mean the available apps on the store itself, rather than the process. The Windows Phone store currently fairs significantly better here than Windows 8, but both would be magical if applied directly to an Xbox console.
These are the changes in thinking by MS that makes it hard for me to rule it out. Look at it this way, it would be virtually free.
These are the changes in thinking by MS that makes it hard for me to rule it out. Look at it this way, it would be virtually free. /QUOTE]
It is not free at all. It ties up important resources that could be working on something else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
Watch the //build talk on xbox app dev, it's very illuminating. They are explicitly asked about c# and explicitly say they are only announcing JavaScript and c++ at the moment. Got the impression that xbox own their own fork of windows 8 and are on their own schedule separate from windows and phone when out comes to building support for win rt. It was all a bit odd and unexpectedC# is supported by winrt, and by extension Xbox one too.
They've said that so far the channel for developing xbone apps is indeed Id@x, but I guess that will change as they enable the retail console as a devkit feature.
And people act like the XOne is dead.
What's to stop Microsoft from making an exclusive version of Office with Onedrive support baked in? They could add a free skype subscription, free office, and extra one drive storage for the life of the console. Microsoft is the sleeping giant posed to take consoles to the next level. Their new CEO loves pushing services so this is a realistic possibility.
I don't like all the things associated with Xone but I'll switch for office and an app store.
Who would want this?
It strikes me as the opinion of a technophile whose interest in gaming is merely incidental.
I asked my wife who does presentations weekly while visiting clients, and her response was:You wouldn't be carrying a tablet or laptop to the presentation room. MS will be selling it on the idea that you can access your stuff from the cloud anywhere. Also I think part of the reason they design the XB1 and the Kinect the way they did was to make it not stand out as game machine in these sorts of environment.
I... don't get it.
Shouldn't this make porting PC games easier, not harder?
Why all the talk over the previous months of "dev tools" for the Xbox One, and how they would evolve?
Shouldn't devs quite literally just use their PC code, then? So confused.
What happened to "every console is a dev kit", anyways?
The Vita has Skype, and IOS has office though. I think there is a bit too much emphasis on "apps" as an answer to everything because IOS found a way to extend functionality of phones by just opening up the API. Apps are neat, but just opening up a game console to apps isn't going to do anything if the apps are just web sites compiled in to an app wrapper. They have to be uniquely tailored to the device and make it something people want to use. Do people use office? yes. Will they use Office on a game machine on their TV? Probably not. I guess I could see office going on the xbox, simply because I don't think Microsoft has really figured out why IOS is successful and Windows phones and tablets still struggle.I have two words for you: value add.
Microsoft wants users hooked on services. If Google can bundle free cloud storage with smartphones then Microsoft can bundle free cloud storage with the Xone.
In all honesty, how in the shit do they expect us to export our screenshots and videos. At least give us a onedrive export tool.
My main point is this: there are over 83 million Xbox systems in homes. Microsoft has to find a way to add value to the box moving forward. Some will say but, but, but give me games. I want games too but if Microsoft focuses on apps the. their in a prime position to extend functionality to customers who might not buy consoles at all. Does your PS4 have Skype? EXACTLY. That's a future ad just like the ads defecating on Apple for not having office. There are all types of ways to flip apps on TV. They could kill any google or Apple TV before it happens in the long run if this happems in the future. The box is right there and they make software. BIg Al make this happen, por favor. I'm not a paid shill but I want more bang for my buck. If I have to pay for gold at least give me free cloud storage, and/or Office 365/Skype.
I want games but hopefully this push towards apps keeps Elop from getting antsy and pulling the trigger on the console in the future.
We need positive thinking people instead of disaturbation about Microsoft being doomed.
I could picture having one Xbox permanently connected to a large screen in a boardroom for presentations. Kinect or Smartglass would be great for control, and it would double as a cheap high quality video conferencing camera. I think its better suited here than a tablet would be.
To quote another Gaffer (goddamn I wish I had the link)
It does make it easier to port, devs still need to optimise for the X1 though which is what I'm assuming the problem with the tools was about.
Watch the //build talk on xbox app dev, it's very illuminating. They are explicitly asked about c# and explicitly say they are only announcing JavaScript and c++ at the moment. Got the impression that xbox own their own fork of windows 8 and are on their own schedule separate from windows and phone when out comes to building support for win rt. It was all a bit odd and unexpected
Then you'll have to excuse my misunderstanding!
The Windows Store is definitely weak as of now, and will never catch interest with the percentage of Windows 8 users who immediately go straight to the desktop the moment their PC boots up.
As more and more casual and mainstream users who don't use the Desktop come to Windows 8 however, the Windows Store will definitely increase in usefulness and productivity. Windows 8 is still pretty young, and will take time I believe to achieve what Microsoft wants it to. (assuming it ever does!)
We'll see. Android still has issues with phone apps on tablets, so I don't see a great future for apps with a significantly smaller market.Universal app refers to having a single unified api for all development. If you're a good developer you will still write custom user interfaces for each form factor.
It is not free at all. It ties up important resources that could be working on something else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
I asked my wife who does presentations weekly while visiting clients, and her response was:
1: She prefers to take her laptop and hook it into the audio/video system build into the conference room, or failing that...
2: If forced to use their laptop she also carries a USB flash drive with the presentation on it.
In no circumstances can she ever see trusting her presentations to someone else's internet connection, that then connects to a cloud service.
Developers could use Monogame which is essentially an open-sourced XNA which uses SharpDX, which is a wrapper for DirectX in C# and works pretty well and due to it being in C#, is fully compatible with Windows RTYup. C# is in (basically anything that can dump CLR code) but you still need to drop down to C++ if you want to write DirectX games. I think if it picks up steam then you'll see more DX wrappers for .NET (essentially what XNA was) which should make for something interesting.
A Plex client is on the way.
I like icloud and apple's cloud features because it works great on apple devices,which people like
Google play works too because it syncs google's services with android devices, which people also like
OneDrive and microsoft's janky cloud is only worth it when I load up on a bunch of microsoft products I don't want or pay out the ass for. Windows Phone is an also ran up there with blackberry and nobody who already owns office wants to pony up $70 a year just for the privilege of running office ~*~*on the cloud*~*~
Seems like microsoft is turning green w/ envy and wants to astroturf what made apple and google so successful in the post-pc market without realizing you need a product people want first.
I like icloud and apple's cloud features because it works great on apple devices,which people like
Google play works too because it syncs google's services with android devices, which people also like
OneDrive and microsoft's janky cloud is only worth it when I load up on a bunch of microsoft products I don't want or pay out the ass for. Windows Phone is an also ran up there with blackberry and nobody who already owns office wants to pony up $70 a year just for the privilege of running office ~*~*on the cloud*~*~
Seems like microsoft is turning green w/ envy and wants to astroturf what made apple and google so successful in the post-pc market without realizing you need a product people want first.
Seems unlikely TBH. Every boardroom/presentation room I've been in has specific tech for that already in place and often integrated directly to the display. Then there's the stigma of having a game console in a workplace environment - probably not a problem for some industries (music, etc) but for many that would be an issue.
The OS elements of Xbox are interesting but let's remember the focus for Xbox is the home not the workplace - MS has enough challenges in expanding/growing home presence without further diluting the message 'd argue.
The focus for Xbox OS should be value in the home and connected to other devices - although I still think the nature of the device clashes with today's distributed scenario as it tries to funnel everything via the Xbox to the TV vs being another node in a many device/distributed environment. I also see the Xbox swamped by the number of non-MS OS devices the average household probably has vying to play a role, from tablets to mobiles to portable PCs to Smart TVs.
Still the basic approach seems sound and of interest but MS really need to get focused and speed up value of service offered in the home IMHO.
What is the W8 App scene like? I don't have any W8 devices
Is Plex mostly used for piracy directly through the app ?
Edit : I have no knowledge of Plex but a quick YouTube shows it's an app that allows me to stream stuff from a shared library on my PC , so something my 360 could do without an app.
That's not the same as letting something like XBMC on the X1
It might be a neat feature for people that already own the thing but non-gaming features aren't going to sell a $500 gaming console. Especially not when TVs and Blu Ray players already come with media apps.Don't have a PC/laptop and want to use Office? Oh nice, my game machine can also run office, and now it has a lot of PC features. I can access my email, use word, OneDrive, browse the web, and even play my games. For $450-500? Not so horrible IMO.
Obviously it has not as much use to people with PCs already with office, but it would serve as another draw to differentiate itself and add a bit more use and value to the system for someone who might be looking to buy a PC and a gaming machine. My .02
Is Plex mostly used for piracy directly through the app ?
Edit : I have no knowledge of Plex but a quick YouTube shows it's an app that allows me to stream stuff from a shared library on my PC , so something my 360 could do without an app.
That's not the same as letting something like XBMC on the X1
Thats neat, I guess. I just don't see much value in it right now since, beside the games+emulators, 99% of the Windows 8 apps are pretty useless on a TV.
Office 365 is already a multiple billion dollar business. So obviously nobody wants it right?
You're wrong about Windows Phone and Office, but let's just ignore that. Why/How exactly is Microsoft's cloud "janky"?
I used to have a Lumia 620. It was not a bad phone but in comparison only the most hardcore microsoft apologist could argue that it has feature or app parity with android/ios.
I'm not arguing your point, but I will argue your example. Why in the world would you want to use Office on your tv, that just seems super awkward. I don't even like internet browsing on my tv (that's what my tablet is for, internet browsing while watching the tv). Same reason I don't really see why snap is all that important, everything it allows me to do while I game/watch tv I can do using my tablet and I'd prefer to do on my tablet anyways.
but what's the point of all this?
but what's the point of all this?
Is there an iTunes app for Windows 8? Because I would FLIP MY SHIT if I could have iTunes on my Xbox One.
Is there an iTunes app for Windows 8? Because I would FLIP MY SHIT if I could have iTunes on my Xbox One.
statham thread. I'm bailing out before I say something stupid and get banned.
Apple doesn't care about people in hell anymore