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[Wiktor]

it makes more sense to do xbox for e3 and pc plans for later, because thats where they're gonna go head to head with sony. but im also down for some pc revealatons at e3

If they would want to get perfect spot for PC annoucements there's no better place than gamescom. It's not like they ever show much new for Xbox there. But that's propably makes too much sense for Microsoft to actually do.

And I get a nasty feeling nothing will come out of it. The guy's comments are just a delay tactics.

 

[MCD]

The problem is that you still need one system for multiplayer if you don't want to split userbase.

As somebody already said, MS really should create one interface where all the big stories/services would plug in. You could have one friend list if you want, all your games in one place, where clicking on one would just autolaunch the correct client or exe. One place where you could search for games to buy and see exactly how much it costs on specific stores etc.

Hmm...that's true. Haven't thought about multiplayer scenarios.

And your idea is perfect. At least for me.

 

[brotkasten]

Aaaaand Dead Rising 3 is in the Steam Database, including the header image. That was quicker than expected.

 

[LowerLevel]

I can't believe your post was ignored and I'm sorry you had to read a comment like the one you quoted.

What the hell is wrong with GAF this days?

Sorry to hear and best wishes for your treatment. That junior member's post was disgusting. Can I suggest you email the admin team and bring it to their attention?

I thank you both, and to be honest I didn't really take any real offense to the post. He apparently feels strongly about GFWL in some form or fashion, and that's fine. I just hoped that, after reading my post, he'd realize that one should probably re-read what they wrote after taking a breath or two and then decide to post. It may have been one simple dumb mistake, and I wouldn't want this one post to possibly take away what could be a decent member later.

As for me, I'm fine now (It happened 12 years ago, it's just unfortunate that it is a hereditary disease so it can always come back the older I get). The one good thing that came out of it is that I met my wife!

On the subject at hand, I DO wish MS could find a different alternative to allow for achievements on PC games. Just recently played Lifeline and saw Steam achievements and wished they tied to my gamerscore for example.

 

[derFeef]

Aaaaand Dead Rising 3 is in the Steam Database, including the header image. That was quicker than expected.

I still don't believe Phil. Need evidence asap.

 

[LowerLevel]

I still don't believe Phil. Need evidence asap.

Bah! If it's published by MS, they still get a cut of the profits... 7+ months after initial release... of a million plus units... on the original platform. I hope it's true, personally.

Spoiler

Besides, you and I both know it will be a GwG game sooner or later as well.

 

[TheKayle]

Everything that's released on an Xbox should be for PC also PERIOD.

wtf ?!

 

[Mengy]

If they would want to get perfect spot for PC annoucements there's no better place than gamescom. It's not like they ever show much new for Xbox there. But that's propably makes too much sense for Microsoft to actually do.

And I get a nasty feeling nothing will come out of it. The guy's comments are just a delay tactics.

I just had an interesting thought.

What if Phil is foreshadowing a very big change for the Xbox brand's future?

I'm sure MS would love to have more of a PC presence. Steam has shown that there clearly is a huge PC gaming market, gamers who are willing to spend big money. MS has been all about unifying sectors and markets lately, or rather trying to at least. What if Valve's Steambox gave MS the idea to design the next Xbox4 as a custom built PC gaming console of sorts, running a streamlined gaming / light version of Win9. That would simplify development for the Xbox4 while also simultaneously allowing them to have both a console and PC presence at the same time, because any game developed for the Xbox4 would now also work on a Win9 computer. It would also instantly open up a huge indie market on the Xbox4 which is becoming more and more important in the gaming sector.

This would take several divisions of MS working together on a unified strategy, which is something that MS hasn't been good at in the past. But they certainly have both the resources and the capital to make it happen, they just need the direction and leadership.

If this Xbox4 could also play old PC games then Holy Shit it would instantly become the console with the largest gaming library of all time.

 

[Wiktor]

If this Xbox4 could also play old PC games then Holy Shit it would instantly become the console with the largest gaming library of all time.

The problem is : how do you make money on it? Console model wouldn't work. Nobody would make any Xbox games anymore, just PC ones where they wouldn't have to pay Microsoft a dime.

You would either need to charge a lot on hardware or create Steam-like DD service of great popularity. So far MS hasn't exactly done well in either PC hardware or PC DD, so it would be a huge challenge.

 

[Mengy]

The problem is : how do you make money on it? Console model wouldn't work. Nobody would make any Xbox games anymore, just PC ones where they wouldn't have to pay Microsoft a dime.

You would either need to charge a lot on hardware or create Steam-like DD service of great popularity. So far MS hasn't exactly done well in either PC hardware or PC DD, so it would be a huge challenge.

Yep, a huge (and daring) challenge. I was assuming that Win9 would have the closed and controlled MS store built in that they wanted to put into Win8. Kind of a GFWL 2.0 that would span both the Xbox4 and PC's running Win9.

I'm not saying I'm crazy about the idea of it, but from Microsoft's point of view it would almost make good business sense. Their tablets and phones could also run this new Win9 and everything they had software wise would now run on everything they had hardware wise. They would cover several markets simultaneously.

 

[Wiktor]

Yep, a huge (and daring) challenge. I was assuming that Win9 would have the closed and controlled MS store built in that they wanted to put into Win8. Kind of a GFWL 2.0 that would span both the Xbox4 and PC's running Win9.

I'm not saying I'm crazy about the idea of it, but from Microsoft's point of view it would almost make good business sense. Their tablets and phones could also run this new Win9 and everything they had software wise would now run on everything they had hardware wise. They would cover several markets simultaneously.

The problem is that W8 already had troubles penetrating the market and the app store is doing even worse. It's complete wasteland. If what you mean is closing down the whole OS in Windows9, not allowing anything to be installed that's not bought from App Store..well..that would essentially kill the whole OS. People would just stick to previous versions and gamers would slowly, but steadily, start to move towards Linux thanks to Valve's efforts.

It would bassicaly be a suicide and all for what? An attempt at capturing the already sunsetting console market?
Now, I do think they might get a chance if they decide to compete on even level instead of trying to cut out the competition. Bassicaly imagine if they just release mobile and Xbox games on Windows Markerplace, as the "buy once, play on 2-3 devices" kind of deal. On PC you could still buy from other vendors, but Xbox games would be avaible solely on Marketplace. And on console that marketplace would be the only thing that exist. That would be nice incentive for people to buy there, while avoiding the disastrous consequences of closing the OS.

 

[dr_rus]

Aaaaand Dead Rising 3 is in the Steam Database, including the header image. That was quicker than expected.

Aaaand this is likely Capcom's part of DR3 deal - MS gets XBO exclusive and Capcom gets to publish it on PC for additional profit a year later.

 

[derFeef]

Aaaand this is likely Capcom's part of DR3 deal - MS gets XBO exclusive and Capcom gets to publish it on PC for additional profit a year later.

The game got partly funded by MS, there is a chance that MS is publishing it on the PC too, but we will see.

 

[JaseC]

So, this won't be surprising, but Q-LOC is definitely developing the DR3 PC port. The following flag and values are applied to the game's most recent sub (it's also the only sub with said flag, which means it's most certainly a new feature, but I digress):

iploginrestriction 78.133.141.10/32,71.19.177.226/32,80.169.135.18/32,80.4.144.58/32,213.120.119.98/32,64.160.161.4/32,67.180.60.96/32,172.16.248.100/32,219.101.226.2/32,74.93.5.218/32

The first listed IP resolves to a q-loc.com sub-domain.

Edit: D'oh, wrong tab. But close enough since the most recent topic is DR3.

 

[Pakoe]

Gimme Forza and Halo Microsoft, mayne then we'll talk.

 

[Mengy]

The problem is that W8 already had troubles penetrating the market and the app store is doing even worse. It's complete wasteland. If what you mean is closing down the whole OS in Windows9, not allowing anything to be installed that's not bought from App Store..well..that would essentially kill the whole OS. People would just stick to previous versions and gamers would slowly, but steadily, start to move towards Linux thanks to Valve's efforts.

It would bassicaly be a suicide and all for what? An attempt at capturing the already sunsetting console market?
Now, I do think they might get a chance if they decide to compete on even level instead of trying to cut out the competition. Bassicaly imagine if they just release mobile and Xbox games on Windows Markerplace, as the "buy once, play on 2-3 devices" kind of deal. On PC you could still buy from other vendors, but Xbox games would be avaible solely on Marketplace. And on console that marketplace would be the only thing that exist. That would be nice incentive for people to buy there, while avoiding the disastrous consequences of closing the OS.

Yeah I was trying to say what you did above, you just said it better. I didn't mean close off Win9 for just MS but turn it's marketplace into something Steam-like, essentially GFWL 2.0. Then the Xbox4 would use this same marketplace, and it's hardware wouldn't be anything custom but rather just a sleek and streamlined PC in a box, so that all Xbox4 games would also be PC compatible. Essentially unify Microsoft's presence on console, PC, and mobile with one operating system, one marketplace, and common software.

This way MS could entice PC users to upgrade to Win9 and use their marketplace by releasing games like Forza, Halo, all of their console franchises on PC as well. And consequently their strategy games like Rise of Nations and such would be available on Xbox4. And all of these would also be available for their mobile stuff too, all simultaneously.


It's an elegant solution to the dilemma of multiple markets competing with each other. And few companies have the resources or finances to pull something like this off any better than Microsoft could IMHO.





Of course, it's much more likely that Phil is simply talking out of his ass here, and that it's just another empty tease from Microsoft about the PC market.

 

[dr_rus]

The game got partly funded by MS, there is a chance that MS is publishing it on the PC too, but we will see.

Why? MS has nothing to gain by publishing it's exclusive on a different platform this early after it's initial release. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Capcom will be handling this.

 

[derFeef]

Why? MS has nothing to gain by publishing it's exclusive on a different platform this early after it's initial release. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Capcom will be handling this.

They also published LocoCycle and Max on Steam (or SoD). I know it's different since those are 1st party games (SoD is not...).

Also they would gain money

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Yeah I was trying to say what you did above, you just said it better. I didn't mean close off Win9 for just MS but turn it's marketplace into something Steam-like, essentially GFWL 2.0.

But nobody trusts MS enough to invest in such a marketplace.

I've had a Steam account for over 10 years now, and have never had any concerns whatsoever about access to my purchases.

Meanwhile;
- my XBLA titles are all shitcanned when MS pull the plug on the 360.
- my GFWL titles become unplayable when they pull the plug on that
- my sole GFWL marketplace title (AoE3 for 10p lol) becomes irretrievable when they decide to stop supporting that
- I saw what happened to Zune owners
- I saw what happened to WP7 owners

 

[Stallion Free]

Why? MS has nothing to gain by publishing it's exclusive on a different platform this early after it's initial release. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Capcom will be handling this.

How do you explain Fable Anniversary on PC rather than Xbone? And even if it does come to Xbone it was announced on PC first. What was Microsoft's incentive there?

 

[hooijdonk17]

But nobody trusts MS enough to invest in such a marketplace.

- my sole GFWL marketplace title (AoE3 for 10p lol) becomes irretrievable when they decide to stop supporting that

Oh crap, I used to have a copy of that as well, in French no less! Now it's gone? (I got it for free I think..)

 

[Stallion Free]

Xbone controllers just released for PC: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=831256

It's happening.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Oh crap, I used to have a copy of that as well, in French no less! Now it's gone? (I got it for free I think..)

You can (currently) still download the GFWL client and access previous marketplace purchases, but that is definitely not going to be around forever.

 

[dorkimoe]

can we have age of empires online back, if they want to step up their game...put out halo 2 on steam

 

[Mengy]

But nobody trusts MS enough to invest in such a marketplace.

I've had a Steam account for over 10 years now, and have never had any concerns whatsoever about access to my purchases.

Meanwhile;
- my XBLA titles are all shitcanned when MS pull the plug on the 360.
- my GFWL titles become unplayable when they pull the plug on that
- my sole GFWL marketplace title (AoE3 for 10p lol) becomes irretrievable when they decide to stop supporting that
- I saw what happened to Zune owners
- I saw what happened to WP7 owners

Yep, I agree completely. I'm not saying my theory is a great idea for gamers, I'm just saying it's a tidy strategy for Microsoft, and I have to wonder if they aren't considering something very much like it.

Personally, I don't trust Microsoft at all anymore. Not even one iota when it comes to gaming. They've burned too many bridge too quickly for me.

 

[Steverulez]

They also published LocoCycle and Max on Steam (or SoD). I know it's different since those are 1st party games (SoD is not...).

Also they would gain money

MS own State of Decay, so surely first party title even if they have a "second party" relationship?

Putting smaller titles on Steam is fine, if all MS are going to do is port XB1 exclusives to PC though, i'll be disappointed, especially at how short sighted the decision is.

 

[Bobby_Sullivan]

Halo 3 port would be nice...put it on Steam and kill GFWL for fuck's sake...

 

[Garrett 2U]

Phil: we need to step up our gaming presence on Windows
GAF: yeah right Phil, you're all talk

-the next day-
Phil: okay, well here are the Xbone controller drivers and dead rising 3 for PC


*I know this isn't how it actually works

 

[Shadowhaxor]

*Beaten*

I stand corrected. I'm a big boy and if I'm wrong, well.. I'm wrong, The Xbox One controller now works with the PC.

http://majornelson.com/2014/06/05/pc-drivers-for-the-xbox-one-controller-available-now/

X86 drivers - http://mjr.mn/XboxOnePCDriversx86
x64 drivers - http://mjr.mn/XboxOnePCDriversx64

We know our fans have wanted PC compatibility, and we know they wanted to be able to use the Xbox One controller with the same games and applications they have been playing with using the Xbox 360 controller. We can’t wait for them to play their favorite PC games with what we consider the best controller ever made and we’re excited for fans to experience the improved D-pad, redesigned battery compartment, new comfortable design and offset analog sticks. The new PC drivers will enable the Xbox One controller to be used with any game that featured gamepad support for the Xbox 360 controller. Simply download the drivers, connect your Xbox One controller to your computer through a micro USB cable and you’ll be gaming in no time.

 

[Interfectum]

Give me Killer Instinct plz

 

[Unreal Champ]

Everything that's released on an Xbox should be for PC also PERIOD.

I wouldn't want you running my console company. What a horrible company head you would make.

But nobody trusts MS enough to invest in such a marketplace.

I've had a Steam account for over 10 years now, and have never had any concerns whatsoever about access to my purchases.

Meanwhile;
- my XBLA titles are all shitcanned when MS pull the plug on the 360.
- my GFWL titles become unplayable when they pull the plug on that
- my sole GFWL marketplace title (AoE3 for 10p lol) becomes irretrievable when they decide to stop supporting that
- I saw what happened to Zune owners
- I saw what happened to WP7 owners

Isn't your games shitcanned when Sony pull the plug on the PS3?

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Isn't your games shitcanned when Sony pull the plug on the PS3?

Some of them, but I'm not sure what that has to do with a topic about Microsoft...?

Oh, right, consolewarzzzz

 

[sickvisionz]

They make DirectX. That's more for PC gaming than any other company does other than Valve with Steam.

 

[Sinatar]

I wouldn't want you running my console company. What a horrible company head you would make.

The fact that you consider Microsoft a 'console company' shows how utterly out of touch with reality you are.

Xbox constitutes one of the smallest parts of their business.

 

[Unreal Champ]

Some of them, but I'm not sure what that has to do with a topic about Microsoft...?

Oh, right, consolewarzzzz

My point still applies, whether you consider it console wars or not is your business.

The fact that you consider Microsoft a 'console company' shows how utterly out of touch with reality you are.

Xbox constitutes one of the smallest parts of their business.

The fact that you assumed I was talking about MS as a whole shows how utterly out of touch you are with reality.

MS is a business, part of that business includes Xbox. As a first party company why would you want to release your console games on the PC? It just goes to show you have no business sense whatsoever.

 

[Castcoder]

Probably been said before, but what if Steam becomes integrated with Xbox One, since these new consoles are simply PCs, why not an Xbox One Steam app that could run PC games with the interface of Big Picture mode. It could run mouse/keyboard games using the USB ports, and wireless mice and keyboards would make couch PC gaming comfortable. With that external drive support, you could store everything over a hard drive and swap back and forth between your PC and Xbox to reduce install download/install times.

 

[Sinatar]

My point still applies, whether you consider it console wars or not is your business.



The fact that you assumed I was talking about MS as a whole shows how utterly out of touch you are with reality.

MS is a business, part of that business includes Xbox. As a first party company why would you want to release your console games on the PC? It just goes to show you have no business sense whatsoever.

Microsoft is a PC company first and foremost. Their driving product is Windows. The best way they have to move Windows to consumers is tied with new hardware. One of the leading drivers of hardware sales in the PC space is PC games.

Release games on PC, people buy new hardware with shiney new windows licenses to play said games. Microsoft makes money off both ends of the equation.

 

[Wiktor]

MS is a business, part of that business includes Xbox. As a first party company why would you want to release your console games on the PC? It just goes to show you have no business sense whatsoever.

What about PC exclusives though? Microsoft has resources to do them, they would clearly sell and also help boost the part of the company that's actually wildly profitable, unlike Xbox brand. It's fine to keep console games as exclusive (at least timed exclusives), but not making pc exclusives alongside those console releases is just plain dumb and makes zero sense business wise. It's classic case of Microsoft's internal war between divisions, which has already cost them countless business opportunities.

 

[DryvBy]

I love Phil Spencer, hope he delivers. But Microsoft's PC gaming support is never something I will hold my breath for.

I just got AOE 2 and Rise of Nations on Steam with delicious working internet support and achievements. I have faith!

Motocross Madness/Midtown Madness please!

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

My point still applies, whether you consider it console wars or not is your business.

Okay, well to address your point that has no bearing in this topic; My PSOne purchases are still usable on other systems when the PS3 gets shitcanned.

EDIT:

Motocross Madness/Midtown Madness Freelancer please!

fixed

 

[Kssio_Aug]

Never mind.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Make Halo 5 a Windows 8 Store/metro app exclusive. Boom, sell an iffily selling OS, gamers happy.

 

[DonfatherBrooks]

Xbox one controller drivers
Dead rising 3 on PC
Rise of nations
Age of mythology
Age of empires 2 HD
Fable anniversary
Dx12 on the way.

Looks like a good start.

 

[Watto]

Microsoft still have some great brands (apology for horrible marketing phrase) that they could have a strong PC presence with. I'm thinking Age of Empires, Flight Simulator, Space Simulator, these should be big selling PC games.

 

[DwightSchruting]

So, does this mean more MS games on Steam or is MS dumb enough to go up against Steam again (and fail)?

The potential to succeed is very high because they could begin to ship their own steam model in all PC/laptops from the start.

 

[Wiktor]

Okay, well to address your point that has no bearing in this topic; My PSOne purchases are still usable on other systems when the PS3 gets shitcanned.

EDIT:


fixed

Freelancer? Sure, but re-release, not HD version please. Unless they figure out how to keep the mod compatbility.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Freelancer? Sure, but re-release, not HD version please. Unless they figure out how to keep the mod compatbility.

HD + Steam Workshop integration

 

[Azih]

Honestly when leadership of a company or a division within a company changes you have to reset expectations at least a bit for new management. It just seems like a lot of people here are incapable of doing that. Spencer isn't Mattrick. Nadella isn't Ballmer.

 

[dr_rus]

Well there you go. No sign of MS in DR3 PC announcement trailer.

They also published LocoCycle and Max on Steam (or SoD). I know it's different since those are 1st party games (SoD is not...).

Also they would gain money

These are small "2nd party" indie DD only games. They hardly mean anything for the platform they're on and the more platforms they're on - the bigger the profit.

How do you explain Fable Anniversary on PC rather than Xbone? And even if it does come to Xbone it was announced on PC first. What was Microsoft's incentive there?

MS always through a bone for PC gamers in the form of a port of an old game (a port of a remake of an old game in that case) before they announce/release a next installment exclusively for Xbox. Easy money + people tend to go and buy Xboxes after that to continue playing.

 

[JB1981]

Man this Phil Spencer guy is doing a hell of a job