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Destiny to appear at Sony presser on Monday

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CTLance

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Holy mother of wow at good ol' Stump sneaking in here and dispersing truthbombs right and left. Amazing.

On topic: I have more of a "meh" reaction to more Destiny sales pitching, but I'm not really opposed to it either. I guess we'll see if this ten minute timeslice or whatever will be worth it.
 
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TheOddOne

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Stumpokapow said:
Since I somehow got spammed by a bunch of twitter notifications from people I don't recognize calling me out because they're hyped for E3 and I'm apparently being a sourpuss, I should note that I'm not saying not to get excited. If you want to be excited, be excited. I'm excited. And I'm not saying companies will literally cease to announce games. Obviously, that's not the case. Obviously every publisher plans to announce new games and most publishers will occasionally try new IPs. Ubisoft is going to launch their open-world-ish RPG-ish swords and dragons type game (I think concept art from that leaked recently, right?)

And I'm not devaluing AAA games just because they're annualized. I play many of the franchises that release annually. I'm not saying that you won't enjoy Sony or Microsoft's conferences, or that they won't announce new IPs at their conferences. I am 100% confident that Sony and MS will announce new titles.

What I'm saying is that there needs to be an adjustment of expectations--the generational jump, the tech leap, the budget jump, these have caused very predictable business outcomes. And that's something to get used to. Of course there will be fewer announcements when it takes 300 people 2.5-3 years to make a game than when it took 25 people 6 months to make a game. And this is going to result in some conferences where you see the same few games you did before.

Square Enix is working on Deus Ex 4, Hitman 6, Tomb Raider 10 or whatever it is now, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3*, Kingdom Hearts 2 in HD, Sleeping Dogs 2, Just Cause 3,a reboot of Legacy of Kain (6) as a F2P MOBA, they just released Thief 4. And yes, they just released Murdered: Soul Suspect. That kind of thing is becoming much less common. Square Enix cancelled several projects that were supposed to have been of a similar scope (ISTR that that Vampire mobile game they made was a down-shifted console project; Nosgoth was originally single player and multiplayer and got sort of shrunk when they cancelled the single player elements and expanded into what it is now). It is more likely in the future that you will see more games as a service, more sequels, and fewer original titles.

The first reply in the Sega thread is to express incredulity at how thin Sega's lineup is this year. What would you expect? Sega releases Football Manager, Total War, Sonic, and they still have the Alien license. Fewer, bigger releases. More people, fewer games. Four franchises. Outside those, they have a second tier for Warhammer and Company of Heroes, and then some Japanese curiosities like Miku and Yakuza. Don't agree with my characterization? Go to their website right now and look at how they view their output. Look at their financial reports. "We're organizing ourselves around 4 main pillars". I don't think this is going to stop them from announcing an HD update of the PSP Valkyria Chronicles games at some point, of course, but I'm saying I wouldn't expect them to be launching tons of hot new IP. I'd expect them to play it safe in the overall.

Konami has been reduced to PES, Japanese-only Baseball Games, and MGS. More people, fewer games. Why does Ground Zeroes exist? As an expression of this problem; it's so expensive and takes so many resources to make the few franchises that they feel safe putting out to market that they need to find a business model that works. Luckily for Konami they've managed to reinvent themselves making money in mobile/social stuff and running health clubs or whatever they're getting on with, but what I'm saying is that I wouldn't expect Goemon EXCLUSIVE PS4 MEGATON. That's not the industry that exists anymore.

Capcom needed Microsoft's help to launch one of their marquee franchises from last generation; their other major franchise (Lost Planet) from last generation is presumably dead after the pushed-out 3rd installment; and the closest to a third franchise (Dragon's Dogma; itself one of Capcom's most expensive games ever and yet met with middling performance) they built last generation is getting an F2P microtransactions-funded pseudo-spinoff sequel. More people, fewer games. Of their existing franchises, they're clearly having trouble making money on Mega Man, and it's telling that DmC was outsourced because they needed to grow the brand, but the outsourcing didn't work and the brand shrank. Fewer viable games.

How did BioShock Infinite sell millions of copies but still result in the studio closure? Because it had to sell millions more copies. Take 2 doesn't even pretend, they openly sell themselves as a hit-driven company. Max Payne 3 didn't meet expectations. BioShock Infinite clearly didn't meet expectations. The Bureau obviously didn't meet expectations. LA Noire may have but the studio closed down. Civilization is a performer. Rockstar can still launch, but only after long, acrimonious development periods with ultra-high budgets and massive marketing. Borderlands is a hit, which is why you're seeing them trying to get it closer to annualized. Mafia II may have broken even after the unexpected success of Mafia I. Mafia III had a terrible development and has been rebooted with a new developer. I wouldn't place my bets on Mafia IV if it doesn't knock it out of the park.

You can walk through any company and see the impacts of more people, fewer games. Why does Nintendo have droughts in their production pipeline? Why were they forced to uncharacteristically announce games far far away from completion, and even those end up delayed? Why haven't they released more little, quirky titles in the mean time? Because budgets are rising, and it's even harder when your hardware isn't working out because there's a certain baseline of software sales you miss out on.

This isn't a dire warning or anything. I'm not saying the industry is on the verge of collapse. I'm saying you're seeing the natural adaptations companies needed to make to survive. And one of those consequences of those adaptations is that you will get fewer surprises, and you will hear more about the games that do exist and hear about them more often, because marketing is increasingly important.

I replied in the thread not to "spit hot fire" about "the state of the industry", but because some people expressed disappointment that they were hearing about Destiny AGAIN (shades of "Why the hell is everyone talking about Titanfall ughhhh" complaining from last year), and because we're starting to see grumbling about how "Sony ain't got nothing". This is the new normal. Big products will get big promotion, and they will show up everywhere. More games will be delayed. Fewer games will be released. More of what is released will be sequels or annualized titles. If that's something that bothers you, it's time to start looking at other ways you can adapt--indie titles, playing older titles, not being an early adopter, paying a little less attention to games so that the news that does come out seems more exciting, whatever floats your boat.
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So much truth.
 
Melchiah

Melchiah

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Stumpokapow said:
Square Enix is working on Deus Ex 4, Hitman 6, Tomb Raider 10 or whatever it is now, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3*, Kingdom Hearts 2 in HD, Sleeping Dogs 2, Just Cause 3,a reboot of Legacy of Kain (6) as a F2P MOBA, they just released Thief 4. And yes, they just released Murdered: Soul Suspect. That kind of thing is becoming much less common. Square Enix cancelled several projects that were supposed to have been of a similar scope (ISTR that that Vampire mobile game they made was a down-shifted console project; Nosgoth was originally single player and multiplayer and got sort of shrunk when they cancelled the single player elements and expanded into what it is now). It is more likely in the future that you will see more games as a service, more sequels, and fewer original titles.
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Say what?! o_O
 
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jhmtehgamr20xx

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SDCowboy said:
IDK man, an open world, mmo-esque RPG doesn't exactly scream "remaining 360 crowd" to me. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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From what I've seen it's only MMO-like at superficial value; there's also a question as to how open-world it is. I get you can join up in public events w/ other players, which has that MMO appearance but it's basically seamless multiplayer w/o the lobby menus. The loot stuff sounds interesting if you like collecting lots of crap, but that's not my cup of tea. I don't think anything's been said about factions, and the story doesn't seem to have an immediate hook or angle to it. Some of the weapons look fun tho.

I'm sure there are factors and game mechanics there to make it a very unique shooter- and it does look fun in the image of just another fun FPS- but I haven't seen anything of them yet. Nothing that's showing the wonders of a $500 million budget.

Maybe in a few days, we can only hope.
 
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tasch

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jhmtehgamr20xx said:
From what I've seen it's only MMO-like at superficial value; there's also a question as to how open-world it is. I get you can join up in public events w/ other players, which has that MMO appearance but it's basically seamless multiplayer w/o the lobby menus. The loot stuff sounds interesting if you like collecting lots of crap, but that's not my cup of tea. I don't think anything's been said about factions, and the story doesn't seem to have an immediate hook or angle to it. Some of the weapons look fun tho.

I'm sure there are factors and game mechanics there to make it a very unique shooter- and it does look fun in the image of just another fun FPS- but I haven't seen anything of them yet. Nothing that's showing the wonders of a $500 million budget.

Maybe in a few days, we can only hope.
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I think the narrative is interesting. They're not trying to tell a linear story, they're trying to build a world and let you explore it and develop your own story.
 
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tasch

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Mr.Monitor said:
Ughhhhhh why are you spending your time on this, Sony? You've already demo'd it and it comes out in a couple months.
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because sony is banking on destiny being the corner stone of their playstion+ online subscription, they need a strong online game to help get subscribers, and they're looking to use this game to help that. Ultimately there are no really interesting online games on the ps4, shadowfall is a mess (imo) and can't compete with halo, and cod is doing the opposite for MS.

Activision is pretty much playing both fields, they've been getting a tonne of money out of MS for COD, now they want sony to bite on Destiny.

Ultimately it's win win, so they're going to be spending a lot of money on marketing and showcasing this game, they need to.

I'd rather see Destiny than The Order, so I'm happy.
 
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freshVeggie

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Makes sense that destiny will appear on sony's presser. They had a marketing deal since the unveil. And since so many big games got delayed into 2015 I think destiny is gonna sell very well.
What bums me is the trend that singleplayer gets forced into multiplayer. As someone who enjoys singleplayer much more I am afraid that this is only the beginning. Bungie really should focus more on the sp parts this time around. What they have shown up until now were mostly skirmish-looking firefights. That makes me wonder whether destiny puts sp way too much on afterburner.
For now it seems destiny is an AAA borderlands mmo being afraid of calling itself an mmo. Like pubs are afraid of marketing an mmo.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Mr.Monitor said:
Ughhhhhh why are you spending your time on this, Sony? You've already demo'd it and it comes out in a couple months.
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Because it is going to be freaking massive and because they aren't going to be announcing 7 original new Japan developed IPs and The Last Guardian.

I can't wait until Tuesday so people wake up.
 
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wmlk

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Frontrunner for most hyped game to fly under everyone's radar. I don't foresee this game doing too well sales wise.
 
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oconnomiyaki

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dallow_bg said:
Hope it's short.
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Yeah, me too. E3 should be about announcing new and exiting things. It only comes once a year, after all. If you want to give more information about a game we've known about for ages now, there are other ways to do that, partnership or no.

MrCookiepants said:
Destiny is Sony's big holiday game, guys. How is it a "waste of time" to demo it?
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How is it their big holiday game if it's on Xbox One, not to mention Xbox 360 and PS3, as well. Yeah, okay, it gets some exclusive tidbits and some DLC earlier. Whoopdee-do. If Sony are really treating this as their holiday ace, especially given that it launches in September, then I'm really worried about their pipeline.

Y2Kev said:
Because it is going to be freaking massive and because they aren't going to be announcing 7 original new Japan developed IPs and The Last Guardian.

I can't wait until Tuesday so people wake up.
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It's going to be massive? Like Titanfall was going to be massive. Just because Activision is prepared to throw $500 million at it doesn't mean that it's going to be successful. It's an online-focused, science fiction FPRPG. It has absolutely zero chance of being the next big thing.

I do agree with you, though, that there is no way that Sony will announce Japanese IPs or show The Last Guardian. But that's merely a reflection that they might not have anything to show at all.

I think E3 is going to be a massive disappointment all round, to be honest. Feel foolish for taking two days off for it, now.
 
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MrCookiepants

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oconnomiyaki said:
How is it their big holiday game if it's on Xbox One, not to mention Xbox 360 and PS3, as well. Yeah, okay, it gets some exclusive tidbits and some DLC earlier. Whoopdee-do. If Sony are really treating this as their holiday ace, especially given that it launches in September, then I'm really worried about their pipeline.
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Again, you guys need to keep up. Watch Dogs boosted PS4 sales 94% in the UK. That's similar to the bump Titanfall gave to the Bone. There are 7 million PS4's out there. Only a couple million of those were bought to play Killzone and inFamous.

Multiplats DO sell systems. Especially when every commercial has "out now for PS4" at the end of it.
 
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watership

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Jarnet87 said:
Despite Sony pushing hard on Destiny, I think it's gonna end up selling better on Xbox consoles.
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I highly doubt that because so many people I know interested in it are surprised to find out its not just a PS4 game. Activision and Sony partnering for ads and content has pretty much made this game 'seem' exclusive. I haven't seen 1 Xbox link to this game in months, outside of the official Xbox stamp on official materials.
 
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oconnomiyaki

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MrCookiepants said:
Again, you guys need to keep up. Watch Dogs boosted PS4 sales 94% in the UK. That's similar to the bump Titanfall gave to the Bone. There are 7 million PS4's out there. Only a couple million of those were bought for Killzone and inFamous.

Multiplats DO sell systems. Especially when every commercial has "out now for PS4" at the end of it.
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Watch_Dogs is in a whole different league to Destiny. The science fiction links in Watch_Dogs are the science fiction equivalent of low fantasy. It's way more grounded in reality and more believable and able to be related to by the Average Joe.
 
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MrCookiepants

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oconnomiyaki said:
Watch_Dogs is in a whole different league to Destiny. The science fiction links in Watch_Dogs are the science fiction equivalent of low fantasy. It's way more grounded in reality and more believable and able to be related to by the Average Joe.
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Not being grounded in reality sure stopped Star Wars from becoming one of the biggest franchises in history! And it's not like Avatar grossed $3 billion or anything.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Sci-fi has huge mass market appeal.
 
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Dragonborn

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oconnomiyaki said:
Yeah, me too. E3 should be about announcing new and exiting things. It only comes once a year, after all. If you want to give more information about a game we've known about for ages now, there are other ways to do that, partnership or no.



How is it their big holiday game if it's on Xbox One, not to mention Xbox 360 and PS3, as well. Yeah, okay, it gets some exclusive tidbits and some DLC earlier. Whoopdee-do. If Sony are really treating this as their holiday ace, especially given that it launches in September, then I'm really worried about their pipeline.



It's going to be massive? Like Titanfall was going to be massive. Just because Activision is prepared to throw $500 million at it doesn't mean that it's going to be successful. It's an online-focused, science fiction FPRPG. It has absolutely zero chance of being the next big thing.

I do agree with you, though, that there is no way that Sony will announce Japanese IPs or show The Last Guardian. But that's merely a reflection that they might not have anything to show at all.

I think E3 is going to be a massive disappointment all round, to be honest. Feel foolish for taking two days off for it, now.
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Yes, it's going to be massive. TF is not comparable since EA squandered it's potential by keeping it off PS4 and delaying the 360 version. I think WD is going to turn a lot of heads for third party studios kn regards to the PS4.
 
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Jarnet87

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Jomjom said:
I see what you did. But you also left out "in the US only" as another qualifier. Would not pass the MS Xbox PR interview.
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no I believe overall Destiny will sell better on microsoft consoles (One + 360) then Sony consoles (PS4+PS3). Just a guess. Really just basing this on the Halo sort of look and Bungie fan loyalty growing up on Microsoft consoles. Either way it's gonna sell like crazy.
 
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freshVeggie

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Jarnet87 said:
Despite Sony pushing hard on Destiny, I think it's gonna end up selling better on Xbox consoles.
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I assume you base this on bungie being xbox-only for a long time and destiny being a fps?
What you should keep in mind is that the majority of console owners are not bound to loyalty, unlike fanboys. We don't have to guess actually, since there is an example already available: cod ghosts. Call of duty was played more on x360 throughout last gen and yet it is on ps4. Why? I assume because there are more ps4 owners; new and converts.
Destiny is a new ip where only a small fraction of gamers know that it is being made by the "halo guys". So there is even less reason for it to be more successfull on xbox. That's my take.
 
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oconnomiyaki

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MrCookiepants said:
Not being grounded in reality sure stopped Star Wars from becoming one of the biggest franchises in history! And it's not like Avatar grossed $3 billion or anything.

Seriously, what are you talking about? Sci-fi has huge mass market appeal.
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I can't honestly believe you're holding up Star Wars and Avatar as the bastions of sci-fi. In fact, if anything, it proves what I'm saying: they're successful because they're not truly science fiction.

If science fiction had mass market appeal, things like Trekkie wouldn't be a borderline insult.

I say this as someone who is a fan of science fiction. It's still a fairly niche genre and Destiny is certainly trending towards the more alienating side of science fiction.

But whatever, we can go round in circles about this because it hasn't been released yet. But I'm going to go on record that I believe Activision is betting on the wrong horse and that Destiny isn't going to reward a $500 million investment.
 
RedAssedApe

RedAssedApe

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Hope threy give beta codes to people who attend sony e3 experience. Like bf hard line.

Ps4 lead beta testing console sku. :)
 
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Laconic

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Y2Kev said:
Because it is going to be freaking massive and because they aren't going to be announcing 7 original new Japan developed IPs and The Last Guardian.

I can't wait until Tuesday so people wake up.
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I cannot wait until E3
The day the metaphorical music dies
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Ashes to ashes - it is the only way. I'm not jaded - I"m just promoting rebirth. The hard way.
 
Chobel

Chobel

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oconnomiyaki said:
I can't honestly believe you're holding up Star Wars and Avatar as the bastions of sci-fi. In fact, if anything, it proves what I'm saying: they're successful because they're not truly science fiction.

If science fiction had mass market appeal, things like Trekkie wouldn't be a borderline insult.

I say this as someone who is a fan of science fiction. It's still a fairly niche genre and Destiny is certainly trending towards the more alienating side of science fiction.

But whatever, we can go round in circles about this because it hasn't been released yet. But I'm going to go on record that I believe Activision is betting on the wrong horse and that Destiny isn't going to reward a $500 million investment.
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I like you to explain what you mean by "not truly science fiction"?

Anyway Halo is science fiction game and yet it's one of the biggest game franchises. And here's another big science fiction game: Gears of War.
 
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Phlebas

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oconnomiyaki said:
It's going to be massive? Like Titanfall was going to be massive. Just because Activision is prepared to throw $500 million at it doesn't mean that it's going to be successful. It's an online-focused, science fiction FPRPG. It has absolutely zero chance of being the next big thing.
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You know this how? Quit with the hyperbole.
 
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tasch

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oconnomiyaki said:
Watch_Dogs is in a whole different league to Destiny. The science fiction links in Watch_Dogs are the science fiction equivalent of low fantasy. It's way more grounded in reality and more believable and able to be related to by the Average Joe.
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I bet the game will do really well in japan, the science fiction seems to be heavily influenced by japanese anime and the character design, armor, and vehicles all seem to fit with it.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
oconnomiyaki said:
Yeah, me too. E3 should be about announcing new and exiting things. It only comes once a year, after all. If you want to give more information about a game we've known about for ages now, there are other ways to do that, partnership or no.



How is it their big holiday game if it's on Xbox One, not to mention Xbox 360 and PS3, as well. Yeah, okay, it gets some exclusive tidbits and some DLC earlier. Whoopdee-do. If Sony are really treating this as their holiday ace, especially given that it launches in September, then I'm really worried about their pipeline.



It's going to be massive? Like Titanfall was going to be massive. Just because Activision is prepared to throw $500 million at it doesn't mean that it's going to be successful. It's an online-focused, science fiction FPRPG. It has absolutely zero chance of being the next big thing.

I do agree with you, though, that there is no way that Sony will announce Japanese IPs or show The Last Guardian. But that's merely a reflection that they might not have anything to show at all.

I think E3 is going to be a massive disappointment all round, to be honest. Feel foolish for taking two days off for it, now.
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Yes, it is going to be massive. It already has record pre-orders for a new IP.
 
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Jarnet87

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LostAtLife said:
I assume you base this on bungie being xbox-only for a long time and destiny being a fps?
What you should keep in mind is that the majority of console owners are not bound to loyalty, unlike fanboys. We don't have to guess actually, since there is an example already available: cod ghosts. Call of duty was played more on x360 throughout last gen and yet it is on ps4. Why? I assume because there are more ps4 owners; new and converts.
Destiny is a new ip where only a small fraction of gamers know that it is being made by the "halo guys". So there is even less reason for it to be more successfull on xbox. That's my take.
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yeah the fact that it's a bungie game, and an FPS is why I tend to think it could happen.
 
James Sawyer Ford

James Sawyer Ford

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I don't mind another E3 showing of Destiny, but I want to be amazed by the open world type gameplay and experiences...so far everything has looked somewhat restricted.
 
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stryke

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oconnomiyaki said:
I can't honestly believe you're holding up Star Wars and Avatar as the bastions of sci-fi. In fact, if anything, it proves what I'm saying: they're successful because they're not truly science fiction.
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What the fuck am I reading? True science fiction is niche by definition?

I say this as someone who is a fan of science fiction.
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Your post would make a good Shot themselves in the foot/I'm an expert parody.
 
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oconnomiyaki

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Chobel said:
I like you to explain what you mean by "not truly science fiction"?

Anyway Halo is science fiction game and yet it's one of the biggest game franchises. And here's another big science fiction game: Gears of War.
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Okay, let's take Star Wars (a series I absolutely adore for the record). It's more space fantasy than anything. It's a classic good vs evil saga, a feudal story, in a technological setting, for lack of a better term. In fact, seeing as it's basically just The Hidden Fortress in space, there's an element of the classic romance appeal there. It's a story we're all fond of and it's just wrapped up a certain way. The actual science of it never gets in the way; in fact it probably doesn't actually have a lick of science fiction in it.

It shouldn't be too hard to compare it to things like 2001 to get what I'm talking about.

But let's just say for argument that science fiction has mass market appeal. Let's take Mass Effect 3, a highly anticipated sequel to a critically acclaimed series, that was available on 360, PS3, and PC at launch. In its launch month, it shifted 1.2 million copies and EA reported it making $200 million on their quarterly statement.

So anyone thinking that a FPRPG collectathon that's primarily about online play that's also a new IP that seems -- from what I've seen at least -- to be embracing the more hardcore side of science fiction is going to be "massive" are really the people I feel need to wake up.

It changes, of course, if you're prepared to call Tomb Raider's sales massive. Standards might be different. But Destiny will not be the next Call of Duty.
 
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zorlaczerohero

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JehutyRunner said:
Just got a mailer on it from the UK PR agency repping Activision.

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The way it's worded makes me think it's information on release and/or Beta, more than new footage. If they were showing lots of new gameplay and features I would think they'd be hyping that, rather than just "Latest Destiny News".

My bet is at the end of the conference, "Go home, Destiny Beta available now!".

Even if they don't announce a Beta date, I'm still stoked for this game and I'm happy to see some more footage. Just don't make it too long.
 
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viveks86

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zorlaczerohero said:
The way it's worded makes me think it's information on release and/or Beta, more than new footage. If they were showing lots of new gameplay and features I would think they'd be hyping that, rather than just "Latest Destiny News".

My bet is at the end of the conference, "Go home, Destiny Beta available now!".

Even if they don't announce a Beta date, I'm still stoked for this game and I'm happy to see some more footage. Just don't make it too long.
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I think they plan to show a new trailer on stage with some info about the beta and the playable demo at the booth. Don't think there will be a gameplay walkthrough during the Sony conference. But hey, that would make a lot of people in here look stupid, so I'd rather shut up and enjoy all the knee-jerk hyperbole :D
 
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Fancy Clown

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This game doesn't really excite me at all, outside of getting to explore a bunch of planets and the art is pretty good. The gameplay just doesn't look all that compelling. Then again I never liked Halo that much so I'm probably not the target audience.
 
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Dark_AnNiaLatOr

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zorlaczerohero said:
The way it's worded makes me think it's information on release and/or Beta, more than new footage. If they were showing lots of new gameplay and features I would think they'd be hyping that, rather than just "Latest Destiny News".

My bet is at the end of the conference, "Go home, Destiny Beta available now!".

Even if they don't announce a Beta date, I'm still stoked for this game and I'm happy to see some more footage. Just don't make it too long.
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It has been confirmed by Deej on one of the recent Bungie weekly updates that the beta date is going to be revealed at E3, so probably on stage.
 
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