SDCowboy
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Uh, no? Seriously dude, relax. And there only needs to be 10 minutes tops for Project beast and TLG to be shown.
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Destiny to appear at Sony presser on Monday
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Uh, no? Seriously dude, relax. And there only needs to be 10 minutes tops for Project beast and TLG to be shown.
GarciaHotspur
Member
I'm pretty afraid about The Sony conf so sorry if i am too pessimist
TBH if i have U4 + The Order + Project Beast + The Last Guardian ( + some other minor stuff ) i would be very Happy !
TBH if i have U4 + The Order + Project Beast + The Last Guardian ( + some other minor stuff ) i would be very Happy !
LookAtMeGo
Member
So are you just going to ignore the positive hype from people or just pay attention to the ones who have negative impressions? You can cherrypick all the negative impressions to coincide with your own perceptions if you like, but it doesnt mean that those who think it looks great shouldn't. The PVP that the one gaf poster was talking about may be concerning for some and thats fine, the post that you quoted was trying to show why this game is not just a Halo and Boarderlands clone. I dont think kryptOnian was trying to say any of the games concerns outside of that were unfounded.
pharmboy044
Member
10min Drive Club
10min Destiny
10min The Order
10min AC Unity
10min Morpheus
10min about sales records
Ok what left ?
NBA 2K15, Battlefield:Hardline, MGS5, Far Cry 4.......
SDCowboy
Member
I'm pretty afraid about The Sony conf so sorry if i am too pessimist
TBH if i have U4 + The Order + Project Beast + The Last Guardian ( + some other minor stuff ) i would be very Happy !
I think all of those are very likely at this point, so why worry? I can't imagine Sony would be showing this presser in theaters across the country if it was going to suck.
Im looking forward to Destiny but you are so right.
IIRC Shinobi said Sony Bend won't be at E3
Vire
Member
I'm gonna be annoyed if BF:Hardline gets significant time at the conference. Save that shit for EA's presser...
That game looks boring as shit anyway.
So... no Sony Bend, Sony Santa Monica, Media Molecule or Guerrilla Games? Great, just great.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Don't underestimate the arrogance of Sony dude.
Remember this is the company who thought a $600 game console without games, was perfectly fine.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
10min Drive Club
10min Destiny
10min The Order
10min AC Unity
10min Morpheus
10min about sales records
Ok what left ?
3 mins Project Beast trailer
5 mins MGSV
5 mins FF12 HD
5 mins Persona 5
5 mins Uncharted 4
10 mins Dragons Dogma 2
10 mins AGENT
10 mins The Last Guardian
2 min Crash Bandicoot
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Add 20 minutes of Wonderbook II for Morpheus10min Drive Club
10min Destiny
10min The Order
10min AC Unity
10min Morpheus
10min about sales records
Ok what left ?
I'm interested in anything Bungie is showing from Destiny, but all the questions I have about Destiny are fairly big picture stuff about how all the pieces of the game fit together, none of which probably demo well. Hopefully they show something other than a short segment of a mission; we've had that since the reveal a few times over.
I suppose they could always unveil the pvp stuff; in that way their reveal would mirror how Halo 2 was shown at E3 2003 and 2004.
I suppose they could always unveil the pvp stuff; in that way their reveal would mirror how Halo 2 was shown at E3 2003 and 2004.
LilWayneSuckz
Member
They will most likely show gameplay demos for:
-The Order 1886
-Destiny (showcasing a new world or competitive multiplayer)
-Uncharted 4
-Far Cry 4
-Batman: Arkham Knight
-AC Unity
They'll give a passing nod to Drive Club and it's release date; they also casually bring up PS3 stuff they mentioned at the last conference like LittleBigPlanet Hub, and they'll also give a quick announcement drop of PS4 remasters we don't officially know about like GTA5 PS4, Beyond: Two Souls PS4, GoW: Ascension PS4 and they will drop the release date for LoU PS4
Whatever gameplay trailers they have will be roughly 4 minutes or less.
-The Order 1886
-Destiny (showcasing a new world or competitive multiplayer)
-Uncharted 4
-Far Cry 4
-Batman: Arkham Knight
-AC Unity
They'll give a passing nod to Drive Club and it's release date; they also casually bring up PS3 stuff they mentioned at the last conference like LittleBigPlanet Hub, and they'll also give a quick announcement drop of PS4 remasters we don't officially know about like GTA5 PS4, Beyond: Two Souls PS4, GoW: Ascension PS4 and they will drop the release date for LoU PS4
Whatever gameplay trailers they have will be roughly 4 minutes or less.
SDCowboy
Member
Sounds amazing. Especially that last part. lol
you'll probably be disappointed... They'll be showing some of that, but it's going to be difficult to understand the context.
DangerMouse
Member
Not surprised.
I think contributing to that is that Ubisoft is only like an hour before Sony's too. The one time I recall a double-showing almost working that I remember was Deadspace 2 when the demo was cool and many were suddenly hoping that that game would be announced with Move support due to the timing when they teased about seeing them again at Sony's conference for something that could be a surprise.
I think contributing to that is that Ubisoft is only like an hour before Sony's too. The one time I recall a double-showing almost working that I remember was Deadspace 2 when the demo was cool and many were suddenly hoping that that game would be announced with Move support due to the timing when they teased about seeing them again at Sony's conference for something that could be a surprise.
Night Angel
Member
Oh dear sweet mother of fuck. Is this a joke account?
I'm seeing his derailing comments everywhere I go. Has to be a joke account.
I try not to pay attention to hype. I pay attention to what I'm actually shown, and what I've been shown has been underwhelming. The only people that can change my impression of the game right now are Bungie, which I hope they do. People hyping it without playing it means nothing.
It's Halo all over again.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
That's not relevant for 2014 Sony. If the past stayed forever, Microsoft wouldn't have fucked up w/ the XBO now would it?
I keep seeing this but no one has provided a source back to where he said that. Does anyone have a link?
I don't see how this is relevant at all. Sony was forced to play the hand that crazy Ken dealt them. Much in the same way MS/Phil is being forced to play the hand that Don dealt them.
He said it in reply to someone on Twitter, IIRC.
Admiral Woofington
Member
That Sony arrogance that has yet to show up this generation. Seriously Everytime somebody throws the words sony and arrogance I immediately ignore everything afterwards.
Seriously, it's getting tiring.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Since I somehow got spammed by a bunch of twitter notifications from people I don't recognize calling me out because they're hyped for E3 and I'm apparently being a sourpuss, I should note that I'm not saying not to get excited. If you want to be excited, be excited. I'm excited. And I'm not saying companies will literally cease to announce games. Obviously, that's not the case. Obviously every publisher plans to announce new games and most publishers will occasionally try new IPs. Ubisoft is going to launch their open-world-ish RPG-ish swords and dragons type game (I think concept art from that leaked recently, right?)
And I'm not devaluing AAA games just because they're annualized. I play many of the franchises that release annually. I'm not saying that you won't enjoy Sony or Microsoft's conferences, or that they won't announce new IPs at their conferences. I am 100% confident that Sony and MS will announce new titles.
What I'm saying is that there needs to be an adjustment of expectations--the generational jump, the tech leap, the budget jump, these have caused very predictable business outcomes. And that's something to get used to. Of course there will be fewer announcements when it takes 300 people 2.5-3 years to make a game than when it took 25 people 6 months to make a game. And this is going to result in some conferences where you see the same few games you did before.
Square Enix is working on Deus Ex 4, Hitman 6, Tomb Raider 10 or whatever it is now, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3*, Kingdom Hearts 2 in HD, Sleeping Dogs 2, Just Cause 3,a reboot of Legacy of Kain (6) as a F2P MOBA, they just released Thief 4. And yes, they just released Murdered: Soul Suspect. That kind of thing is becoming much less common. Square Enix cancelled several projects that were supposed to have been of a similar scope (ISTR that that Vampire mobile game they made was a down-shifted console project; Nosgoth was originally single player and multiplayer and got sort of shrunk when they cancelled the single player elements and expanded into what it is now). It is more likely in the future that you will see more games as a service, more sequels, and fewer original titles.
The first reply in the Sega thread is to express incredulity at how thin Sega's lineup is this year. What would you expect? Sega releases Football Manager, Total War, Sonic, and they still have the Alien license. Fewer, bigger releases. More people, fewer games. Four franchises. Outside those, they have a second tier for Warhammer and Company of Heroes, and then some Japanese curiosities like Miku and Yakuza. Don't agree with my characterization? Go to their website right now and look at how they view their output. Look at their financial reports. "We're organizing ourselves around 4 main pillars". I don't think this is going to stop them from announcing an HD update of the PSP Valkyria Chronicles games at some point, of course, but I'm saying I wouldn't expect them to be launching tons of hot new IP. I'd expect them to play it safe in the overall.
Konami has been reduced to PES, Japanese-only Baseball Games, and MGS. More people, fewer games. Why does Ground Zeroes exist? As an expression of this problem; it's so expensive and takes so many resources to make the few franchises that they feel safe putting out to market that they need to find a business model that works. Luckily for Konami they've managed to reinvent themselves making money in mobile/social stuff and running health clubs or whatever they're getting on with, but what I'm saying is that I wouldn't expect Goemon EXCLUSIVE PS4 MEGATON. That's not the industry that exists anymore.
Capcom needed Microsoft's help to launch one of their marquee franchises from last generation; their other major franchise (Lost Planet) from last generation is presumably dead after the pushed-out 3rd installment; and the closest to a third franchise (Dragon's Dogma; itself one of Capcom's most expensive games ever and yet met with middling performance) they built last generation is getting an F2P microtransactions-funded pseudo-spinoff sequel. More people, fewer games. Of their existing franchises, they're clearly having trouble making money on Mega Man, and it's telling that DmC was outsourced because they needed to grow the brand, but the outsourcing didn't work and the brand shrank. Fewer viable games.
How did BioShock Infinite sell millions of copies but still result in the studio closure? Because it had to sell millions more copies. Take 2 doesn't even pretend, they openly sell themselves as a hit-driven company. Max Payne 3 didn't meet expectations. BioShock Infinite clearly didn't meet expectations. The Bureau obviously didn't meet expectations. LA Noire may have but the studio closed down. Civilization is a performer. Rockstar can still launch, but only after long, acrimonious development periods with ultra-high budgets and massive marketing. Borderlands is a hit, which is why you're seeing them trying to get it closer to annualized. Mafia II may have broken even after the unexpected success of Mafia I. Mafia III had a terrible development and has been rebooted with a new developer. I wouldn't place my bets on Mafia IV if it doesn't knock it out of the park.
You can walk through any company and see the impacts of more people, fewer games. Why does Nintendo have droughts in their production pipeline? Why were they forced to uncharacteristically announce games far far away from completion, and even those end up delayed? Why haven't they released more little, quirky titles in the mean time? Because budgets are rising, and it's even harder when your hardware isn't working out because there's a certain baseline of software sales you miss out on.
This isn't a dire warning or anything. I'm not saying the industry is on the verge of collapse. I'm saying you're seeing the natural adaptations companies needed to make to survive. And one of those consequences of those adaptations is that you will get fewer surprises, and you will hear more about the games that do exist and hear about them more often, because marketing is increasingly important.
I replied in the thread not to "spit hot fire" about "the state of the industry", but because some people expressed disappointment that they were hearing about Destiny AGAIN (shades of "Why the hell is everyone talking about Titanfall ughhhh" complaining from last year), and because we're starting to see grumbling about how "Sony ain't got nothing". This is the new normal. Big products will get big promotion, and they will show up everywhere. More games will be delayed. Fewer games will be released. More of what is released will be sequels or annualized titles. If that's something that bothers you, it's time to start looking at other ways you can adapt--indie titles, playing older titles, not being an early adopter, paying a little less attention to games so that the news that does come out seems more exciting, whatever floats your boat.
And I'm not devaluing AAA games just because they're annualized. I play many of the franchises that release annually. I'm not saying that you won't enjoy Sony or Microsoft's conferences, or that they won't announce new IPs at their conferences. I am 100% confident that Sony and MS will announce new titles.
What I'm saying is that there needs to be an adjustment of expectations--the generational jump, the tech leap, the budget jump, these have caused very predictable business outcomes. And that's something to get used to. Of course there will be fewer announcements when it takes 300 people 2.5-3 years to make a game than when it took 25 people 6 months to make a game. And this is going to result in some conferences where you see the same few games you did before.
Square Enix is working on Deus Ex 4, Hitman 6, Tomb Raider 10 or whatever it is now, Final Fantasy 15, Kingdom Hearts 3*, Kingdom Hearts 2 in HD, Sleeping Dogs 2, Just Cause 3,a reboot of Legacy of Kain (6) as a F2P MOBA, they just released Thief 4. And yes, they just released Murdered: Soul Suspect. That kind of thing is becoming much less common. Square Enix cancelled several projects that were supposed to have been of a similar scope (ISTR that that Vampire mobile game they made was a down-shifted console project; Nosgoth was originally single player and multiplayer and got sort of shrunk when they cancelled the single player elements and expanded into what it is now). It is more likely in the future that you will see more games as a service, more sequels, and fewer original titles.
The first reply in the Sega thread is to express incredulity at how thin Sega's lineup is this year. What would you expect? Sega releases Football Manager, Total War, Sonic, and they still have the Alien license. Fewer, bigger releases. More people, fewer games. Four franchises. Outside those, they have a second tier for Warhammer and Company of Heroes, and then some Japanese curiosities like Miku and Yakuza. Don't agree with my characterization? Go to their website right now and look at how they view their output. Look at their financial reports. "We're organizing ourselves around 4 main pillars". I don't think this is going to stop them from announcing an HD update of the PSP Valkyria Chronicles games at some point, of course, but I'm saying I wouldn't expect them to be launching tons of hot new IP. I'd expect them to play it safe in the overall.
Konami has been reduced to PES, Japanese-only Baseball Games, and MGS. More people, fewer games. Why does Ground Zeroes exist? As an expression of this problem; it's so expensive and takes so many resources to make the few franchises that they feel safe putting out to market that they need to find a business model that works. Luckily for Konami they've managed to reinvent themselves making money in mobile/social stuff and running health clubs or whatever they're getting on with, but what I'm saying is that I wouldn't expect Goemon EXCLUSIVE PS4 MEGATON. That's not the industry that exists anymore.
Capcom needed Microsoft's help to launch one of their marquee franchises from last generation; their other major franchise (Lost Planet) from last generation is presumably dead after the pushed-out 3rd installment; and the closest to a third franchise (Dragon's Dogma; itself one of Capcom's most expensive games ever and yet met with middling performance) they built last generation is getting an F2P microtransactions-funded pseudo-spinoff sequel. More people, fewer games. Of their existing franchises, they're clearly having trouble making money on Mega Man, and it's telling that DmC was outsourced because they needed to grow the brand, but the outsourcing didn't work and the brand shrank. Fewer viable games.
How did BioShock Infinite sell millions of copies but still result in the studio closure? Because it had to sell millions more copies. Take 2 doesn't even pretend, they openly sell themselves as a hit-driven company. Max Payne 3 didn't meet expectations. BioShock Infinite clearly didn't meet expectations. The Bureau obviously didn't meet expectations. LA Noire may have but the studio closed down. Civilization is a performer. Rockstar can still launch, but only after long, acrimonious development periods with ultra-high budgets and massive marketing. Borderlands is a hit, which is why you're seeing them trying to get it closer to annualized. Mafia II may have broken even after the unexpected success of Mafia I. Mafia III had a terrible development and has been rebooted with a new developer. I wouldn't place my bets on Mafia IV if it doesn't knock it out of the park.
You can walk through any company and see the impacts of more people, fewer games. Why does Nintendo have droughts in their production pipeline? Why were they forced to uncharacteristically announce games far far away from completion, and even those end up delayed? Why haven't they released more little, quirky titles in the mean time? Because budgets are rising, and it's even harder when your hardware isn't working out because there's a certain baseline of software sales you miss out on.
This isn't a dire warning or anything. I'm not saying the industry is on the verge of collapse. I'm saying you're seeing the natural adaptations companies needed to make to survive. And one of those consequences of those adaptations is that you will get fewer surprises, and you will hear more about the games that do exist and hear about them more often, because marketing is increasingly important.
I replied in the thread not to "spit hot fire" about "the state of the industry", but because some people expressed disappointment that they were hearing about Destiny AGAIN (shades of "Why the hell is everyone talking about Titanfall ughhhh" complaining from last year), and because we're starting to see grumbling about how "Sony ain't got nothing". This is the new normal. Big products will get big promotion, and they will show up everywhere. More games will be delayed. Fewer games will be released. More of what is released will be sequels or annualized titles. If that's something that bothers you, it's time to start looking at other ways you can adapt--indie titles, playing older titles, not being an early adopter, paying a little less attention to games so that the news that does come out seems more exciting, whatever floats your boat.
For like the third time? Bungie may be stupid, but not THAT stupid.
First time, it was a co-op story mission. Second time, it was a strike mission.
I'm expecting them to show off the MP.
krypt0nian
Banned
So should we listen that guy or the five friends on my friends list whom I trust that loved the friends and family beta?
Audible Phonetics
Member
This game is the reason I got a ps4.
quickwhips
Member
Bungie Hates Xbox fans I'm going to twitter.
I looked on both Twitter and here but didn't come up with anything.
This is all sad but true. The "glory days" are gone it seems. Oh well. As long as people keep their expectations in check, this E3 shouldn't be disappointing. Luckily, there are games still being made outside of the AAA space. Unfortunately for me, most of those game don't interest me right now.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Possible, but not probable. The install bases alone make it hard for that to be the case
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Everything you just said...is exactly why I can't wait for the market contraction in the AAA/hyper-budget space. The industry can't sustain itself on that model alone. Everyone else says that'd be horrible, but devs, pubs and the Big 3 will adjust. They have to.
That's my takeaway on it all, anyway.
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