The Librarian
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The difference here is this footage was never meant to be publicly displayed like this, if at all.
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Destiny Alpha Gameplay Leaks [Update: Luke from Bungie comments, read post 1557]
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BrokenEchelon
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So, so boring.
Poor man's Borderlands.
Looks like all the other equally boring footage to me.
Poor man's Borderlands.
Looks like all the other equally boring footage to me.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Can someone tell me how this is different from any current/past shooters? It's almost looking like a first person, open world, Warframe-ish kind of game. I *want* to be interested, but it's looking kind of humdrum so far.
Although I think the gameplay looks great, these videos and the official videos do nothing for me. All of my hype and interest in Destiny come from the features and MMORPG elements that surround the gameplay. Stuff like loot, character customization, gear customization, leveling up weapons, seamless co-op, open-world planet exploration, events etc. This is why I choose to safe my judgments and criticisms for when I play the beta since I'll have a good idea on how all the other elements and features play into the game as a whole. It would be unfair to judge a game like Fallout 3 based on a 10 minute video of some guy shooting random enemies.
TimeEffect
Member
Gotta agree.
When I first heard of Destiny, I thought it would be much more.. open world, in the sense that it was closer to an MMO (without necessarily being so massive), where you could actually travel to other planets (in real time, on a server with other players all around the solar system).
Not sure why I thought that originally, but to be fair, I feel like Bungie never properly explained the game. What I'm seeing seems standard, unless there are big things hidden in some end-game levels or whatever.
And actually, I'd just really like to see some straight up competitive MP. I thought that was an option. It'd be nice to see something like Halo/from Bungie on PS4, as most MP shooters are too big for my liking
Twilight Gap
Member
Bungie's kinda been making the same game with different twists for a while now.
I feel like I'm the only one who noticed the drumline from Reach though, lol
Except that the official stuff they've shown so far looks pretty much the same, gunplay-wise anyway.
watch the e3 footage. play the beta.
BigTnaples
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Game looks great. It is the kind of game that only playing can give you a feel for.
I could record tons of videos of me playing Skyrim or Minecraft or Borderlands or Fallout or most games really that make it look full, but when your playing you are lost in it.
Bungie has said this near verbatim. Which is why they are treating the beta like a full product launch, because people need to play this to get it. They need to get together with friends, trade stories and loot, and get into the world. Videos can't convey that.
I could record tons of videos of me playing Skyrim or Minecraft or Borderlands or Fallout or most games really that make it look full, but when your playing you are lost in it.
Bungie has said this near verbatim. Which is why they are treating the beta like a full product launch, because people need to play this to get it. They need to get together with friends, trade stories and loot, and get into the world. Videos can't convey that.
Raitosaito
Member
The amount of money they spent def not justify.
I agree completely.
Bugs, glitches, technical errors, etc, should be overlooked, because the game is still being tested.
However, the gameplay mechanics, level design, and overall philosophy and feel of the game can definitely be critiqued- these take years to develop, and are not going to suddenly change 6 months before release.
Muscle Wizard
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Halo: CE wasn't popular until it was released. The first trailer they showed at expos for the Xbox was actually met with disinterest (it actually has a lot in common with how the Destiny trailers are presented, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijMxWftXvPg).
The reason why people saw the Halo 2 and 3 trailers and were assured they would be hits is because they enjoyed the original Halo. Those trailers weren't anything special either, just shooting aliens and occasionally hopping into a vehicle. The reason people got excited because they knew from the previous installment that that is fun to them.
Are you referring to the $500 million? Didn't they end up saying it was for the lifetime of the franchise, not just this first game or am I imagining that?
Dishonored, Bioshock and Shadowrun do first person powers and spells pretty damn well. I don't think Destiny needs the PoV swap for powers, not sure what their design theory is for that and how it speaks visually to the player. Putting your hand out and having the spell, power, etc visualized that way seems fine to me.
Such a short change in perspective is weird too, over the shoulder for the power, then back to first person only a second or two later. Could get really annoying if some powers become spammy, especially in PvP.
For that amount you would think they could squeeze in room somewhere to do new animations.
i didnt find it problematic for some of the AAs of halo reach/4, should be fine here
Doesn't excuse the official footage.
I love Bungie games but I'm so non pulsed by Destiny so far. It's a weird feeling over and over everytime they show it. Could be they haven't shown it well or you need to play it, just have to wait and see. I will say loot and firefight like moments are two aspects I don't care for at all which could be two main pillars for Destiny.
Twilight Gap
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Muscle Wizard
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I actually don't mind the swap to third-person for powers. It keeps the entire screen from being covered in explosions and gives you a second to assess your surroundings.
Plus you get to look at your sick nasty armor for a few seconds.
Muscle Wizard
Banned
Well, if your not into loot heavy games, then Destiny may not be the best choice. One thing I do like though is that weapons will have their own upgrade trees so you can keep the ones you like. I never liked the loot race of Borderlands where a white level gimmick gun can quickly become better stat-wise over one of your proffered guns.
Also doesn't help the presenter no longer works at Bungie.
I have this game preordered, but now I just don't know.
I will give the beta a shot and decide then.
Roddslayer
Member
Looks like fun to me, especially the Warlock class compared to the Hunter's footage leak from earlier.
Well, as long as it is similar to Reach where not every AA (Power) changes your perspective, that should be fine. I understand if some powers necessitate a PoV change because that is part of their utility, kind of like Armor Lock in Reach, where you got to see all around you to assess your surroundings to decide when to exit out of the ability.
Although Armor Lock is terrible design in the first place, Smoke in Shadowrun is far better, and it sends you into third person, for similar reasons, but more well designed.
Muscle Wizard
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Look, if I dress up like a cycloptic, hot-pink Boba Fett I should be able to enjoy it like everyone else.
I think the official statement is that they want you to see your character when he is doing an awesome thing. It has the RPG elements after all, and people will invest a lot of time in their characters looks, which is very rare in the FPS genre.
TrojanBlade
Member
Why is this game hyped so much? From the media so far looks like just another FPS with some good art. Is it just because its Bungie behind it or another media created hype?
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
A) Exactly. Which is why I'm not down with judging a book by its cover.
B) This is the first installment of Destiny.
Steamboatgeorge
Banned
Big props to guy who leaked this risking his butt and possibly ps account!
*SALUTE*
*SALUTE*
Well, you will, just in the city where you're walking around in 3rd person. You'll even get to see your face! That said, I'm still not sure how I feel about the transitions. I'll have to see how it feels while playing rather than seeing someone else do it to decide if it's as jarring as it seems.
0ptimusPayne
Member
Idk if its the gun he/she is using, but Im not really liking the shooting mechanics. It just doesn't look right, compared to what they did with halo. I miss the bass punch of the BR and such. All the guns shown firing so far, seem like future pew pew laser staple guns. I still have this preordered with the beta access, but Im really gonna have to make a tough decision if this is gonna be worth it day one, or a few months down the road at a cheaper price. I love the premise, and the epic possibilities, but the core gun mechanics just don't seem that satisfying killing enemies. The unique powers on the other hand look/sound great!
I wonder if there was less character customization and ZOMG Skyboxes they would be able to get closer to reaching 60FPS. I'll take 60FPS over 30FPS with those kind of sacrifices any day, especially for a shooter, but it is Bungie, and a console FPS, so 30 FPS is still acceptable I guess.
I was hoping that next gen would make 60 FPS for action games an absolute must across the board, but I guess I was wrong. Maybe when this series finally makes it to PC, I can enjoy it at 60FPS.
Nocturno999
Member
This game needs to be delayed. Looks very bland in many ways.
everyday math
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It already was. It's not being delayed again.
dancrane212
Member
Bungie hasn't lead me astray yet so I'll be grabbing the game for sure but some of that footage looks like a toned down Halo, I bet it's just that guy only using that one weapon though.
I really hope the Destiny footage at Sony's press conference shows off the campaign, bit odd we've hardly seen any of it so far.
I really hope the Destiny footage at Sony's press conference shows off the campaign, bit odd we've hardly seen any of it so far.
lol
Netherscourge
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People have pretty insane expectations for this game. It's Halo gameplay in a sharded MMO world. What does everyone want?
After the letdown of Titanfall, nothing will please anyone anymore unless it's a god damn mind-blowing gaming EPIPHANY.
After the letdown of Titanfall, nothing will please anyone anymore unless it's a god damn mind-blowing gaming EPIPHANY.
I believe it's the MMO aspect of the game, which is rather unique. There's really not many (if any) FPS games out there that lets you explore big planets with dungeons and raids that you can complete with random players or friends.
I can see a lot of people just jumping in, exploring, doing objectives, completing hard challenges and gathering sweet loot. Then they hang in the social hubs looking for nice people to chat or team up with.
PairOfFilthySocks
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Looks pretty drab for the developers of Halo. Halo's strength was in letting people mix and match different methods of attack in a really fluid way. Assualt Rifle > Grenade to clear out clumps of enemies > Pistol/Melee to catch stragglers, etc.
Assuming this isn't an official trailer, I'm hoping the guy playing is just a dunce who doesn't realize you're supposed to combine attacks. If it is official, then it's really not the way to show off your game in a week of extensive media coverage.
its not official, its a leak. and yeah, the guy isnt the best at showing off thee combat. lots of hiding behind cover, unloading a clip, hiding and reloading. rinse and repeat.
While I never cared for the halo series I've always had respect for Bungie as a developer. With that being said I have faith that the game is going to be a huge success once released. Gaf critics are the hardest critics. Everything has to be new, yet the same. Different but not too different. Play at a high frame rate yet still look steller...etc etc.
If the game has the scope bungie is shooting for it opens a lot of different play mechanics..stuff they will probably show soon enough.
If the game has the scope bungie is shooting for it opens a lot of different play mechanics..stuff they will probably show soon enough.
I can't know the actual reasoning behind going to 3rd person for some moves, but Dictator's right when he says animating 1st person is way harder as soon as complex movements are involved. Dishonored and Bioshock do it well (though Bioshock doesn't do anything too complicated) but the key difference is that they're single player games, and you only need look at Mirror's Edge animations in 3rd person to see that what makes sense in 1st person sometimes reeeeeally doesn't when you see the whole body. In 1st person you need to have onscreen feedback for what you're doing, so for instance pulling a fist back before a punch is super hard to do because you can only convey it with the other hand and the camera movement; and if on top of that you need to do it in a way that still makes sense when viewe from another player's perspective, it's quite the challenge.
(also did you really use shadowrun as an example for good animations)
Also known as, conditioned by Call of Duty. We'll probably see something Monday with people who actually know the game and aren't scared to mix it up to show off the combat a little better.
no, he's wrong. From a technical point of view, producing a dynamic camera change in context with the animation is much, much more difficult, especially since you have to design the camera around the environment and make sure the character looks fine in adjustment.
Look at skyrim, the first person view is miles better than third person, why? because all you need to animate is the camera position and hands, the third person view require the character model, the camera, the action itself ect.