whateverblah
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Definitely hyped for this.
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Destiny Alpha Gameplay Leaks [Update: Luke from Bungie comments, read post 1557]
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Trickster
Member
I think it's worth noting that what you linked to is campaign footage from Halo. What you're seeing in these leaks is not campaign footage from Destiny, but just a guy walking around the open world of Destiny, doing random shit as he finds it. We don't know what to expect from the Destiny campaign at all, but I'd guess it will have big moments like we're used to from a Bungie story campaign.
Just to point that the enemies going down quickly are very low tier enemy, on the same level as grunts in Halo. The mid range enemies he fights a few times in the videos only go down very quickly if he hits them with a grenade blast or uses the hunters power ability that drastically increases the dmg of your weapons for a very brief period of a couple of seconds.
As for enemy count. If you watch the E3 footage from last year, the public event at the end had a much larger enemy count that at any point in this video. So we're definitely gonna have battles where we fight larger amount of enemies than what you see in this footage.
meanspartan
Member
I am going to feel very bad for Bungie if this shapes up to be a flop, because I am not sure they can survive it. Half a billion dollars is riding on this game.
Am I crazy? Because that leaked footagee looks boring as hell. As if it is missing something. The guns reminded me of MAG for some reason, they just looked so.....bleh.
Hopefully E3 will change my mind....This is Bungie after all right?
Am I crazy? Because that leaked footagee looks boring as hell. As if it is missing something. The guns reminded me of MAG for some reason, they just looked so.....bleh.
Hopefully E3 will change my mind....This is Bungie after all right?
meanspartan
Member
Yes. This. Get fucking rid of it Bungie it really breaks up what little flow the game looked like it had going.
Rickenslacker
Banned
It's not that outlandish, Halo threw you into third person for a few things. Vehicles, larger weapons, and something more directly analogous to this a couple of the armour abilities in Reach.
Even if the game is average it will sell a ton, I don't think there's a huge worry there.
Still, I think Bungie has earned the benefit of the doubt.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Like I said earlier, if you watched a video of me playing Skyrim, 90% of the time it would appear boring as hell. Even though as the player, you are completely immersed and enjoying yourself immensely.
Destiny is just one of those games that's hard to show the appeal of by etching relatively short videos of people playing.
Come the beta many will love it, some will hate it, some will be I between. In the end the game will sell more than well enough to warrant continuing the franchise, even if it sells worse than expected.
KCroxtonJr
Member
Lol @ all these overreactions to some alpha gameplay of just running around basically doing nothing.
I would really like to know what people were expecting, I feel like I'm missing something because it seemed just fine to me for what the footage was.
I would really like to know what people were expecting, I feel like I'm missing something because it seemed just fine to me for what the footage was.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Easy. You just bake it into the progression like you do in MMOs. Since it's all instanced, you could easily take the "hard" route with a friend, with stronger and different enemies in the same areas. Maybe even bake it into the story, so some event changes the look of the area when you return.
FFXIV, for instance, has hard versions of all its dungeons, though you do need to finish the normal versions before ever touching the hard ones.
I'm really not seeing the issue with making spells third person. I think it looks really cool, and you get to see yourself be badass for a few seconds before going back to first person. Going to third person was the best part of assassinations in Halo Reach.
RSB
Banned
You sure about that? The few times I've played Halo on Normal or Easy I've noticed the AI is way more dumb, and much less agressive than on Heroic or Legendary. They also die super fast, so they rarely even have time to do anything. Anyway, I was mostly refering to the playstyle. Halo is a very fun game, but a bad player can make it look incredibly boring. For example, it's not the same watching a player that uses agressive tactics and precision weapons, than a player that is hiding all the time and only uses the AR. The former would make the game look way more interesting, I think.
It's nothing new, really. Amazingly fun games can look very dull when played by bad, or inexperienced players. I'm not saying that's necessarily what's happening here, but it seems like a reasonable assumption, especially if we look at previous games from Bungie. But it's ok, if people want to judge the gameplay now, they are free to do so. I'll wait for the beta. After all, it is free, and it's almost here.
I don't get the over-reactions either. Game isn't out yet and there's no one playing but this one guy, on alpha/beta build. And for those of you knocking the voice acting, Dinklage has been known to have great performances in the past, if anyone's to blame for a lackluster VO its the voice director.
The game seems empty now but if they're able to successfully pull off the mmo setting I can see how this will be ridiculous amounts of fun.
The game seems empty now but if they're able to successfully pull off the mmo setting I can see how this will be ridiculous amounts of fun.
serenewarfare
Banned
You don't understand man. When we get 6 minutes of leaked alpha footage of a game that is four months from release, it has to be the best 6 minutes of the game.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Hated it in Deus Ex Revolution.
Does not belong in a 1st person shooter.
Either have it a 3rd person game or keep it FPS.
whateverblah
Neo Member
No way will this game flop. Might not reach COD numbers, but will likely be close.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Any re-uploaded youtube videos?
Why think critically when we can make assumptions about level 3 AI mobs, with a level 7 character and a starter weapon?
It's a battle to see who can use bland, boring, dull, generic in the most creative way
Trickster
Member
There ya go
I just watched through the first 3 parts that I had only skimmed through earlier. In part 3 he fights enemies at one point that aren't complete canon fodder. Those enemies display very good AI behavior, they dodge, take cover, engange in CQC when the player get's up in their face, as well at attack the player from a blind angle while he's looking for a different enemy.
Rickenslacker
Banned
To clarify, I posted that before seeing the Vimeo footage which actually does show me a glimmer of combat potential. But yes, even on easy you can see much more going on in a Halo segment than I caught in the other Destiny footage. I just replayed the first level of Halo 3 on easy, full auto, just using my AR and a Spiker when that ran out of ammo. You could see the difference in enemy types, see the Grunts react to the Brute dying and changing their behaviour, the Brute reacting to shots, and changing state again after being shed of armour, using a bubble shield, AI on AI fighting, actual density in the enemy count. Playstyle and difficulty make a difference, but even at its most basic Halo had things going on. Even in the more promising Vimeo footage, enemy clarity was basically brought to moving HP bars, the only reaction they had to shots was death.
It doesn't help that this game has been announced ages ago, is four months from release, and this leaked footage is the best current representation of it. I'm gonna give Bungie the benefit of the doubt, but when their own previews of it raise red flags, and footage of the game being played outside of rehearsed presentations isn't doing anything to assuage those red flags, I'm gonna be at least a little concerned.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
All of Marty's music is still in the game. Shouldn't effect your purchase at all...
Play the Beta, that should be the deciding factor, not if they can splice together a good trailer or not.
Haha, never a dull moment on GAF. I'm still as excited as I was for the game when it was first announced, and I don't really see any problems with what was released. The only complaint I might agree with is a seemingly lackluster VA by Peter Dinklage, but in the grand scheme of things, that doesn't really bother me at all. I'm sure once the game comes out, it's gonna be me and a couple buddies runnin' and gunnin' through some frantic action while yelling to each other through voice chat, and in-game VA will take a backseat to that.
To those who say it looks boring: have you played Borderlands 1? If so, do you remember starting out in the beginning of that game? Imagine watching some low bitrate footage of someone stumbling around in solo play at the beginning of the Arid Badlands, wandering with his weak rifle and taking potshots at Skags. That'd look pretty fucking boring to anyone I'd image, but as I'm sure many of you would agree, that game really opens up as you play it, and it turns into something amazing.
I have a feeling it's the same case here. Just some run of the mill stuff at the start of the game to help players get their feet wet, but in comparison to the full game, is a section that seems rather mundane. I'm just happy to see the game has the option to sprint; I can't recall really seeing that in any of the footage released beforehand, and if it was, it was seldom done.
tl;dr BELIEVE
To those who say it looks boring: have you played Borderlands 1? If so, do you remember starting out in the beginning of that game? Imagine watching some low bitrate footage of someone stumbling around in solo play at the beginning of the Arid Badlands, wandering with his weak rifle and taking potshots at Skags. That'd look pretty fucking boring to anyone I'd image, but as I'm sure many of you would agree, that game really opens up as you play it, and it turns into something amazing.
I have a feeling it's the same case here. Just some run of the mill stuff at the start of the game to help players get their feet wet, but in comparison to the full game, is a section that seems rather mundane. I'm just happy to see the game has the option to sprint; I can't recall really seeing that in any of the footage released beforehand, and if it was, it was seldom done.
tl;dr BELIEVE
RSB
Banned
Yes, but playing, and seeing someone else play are not the same thing, especially when one game you have played dozens of times (and thus are very familiar with the way the gameplay and AI behaviour works) and the other game you only know what little you have seen in a couple of leaked videos from a not so good player.
IMO, it's just too early to accurately judge the gameplay or the enemy AI from what we've seen. Thankfully the beta is next month, so it won't be long before people can judge the game by their own experience, and not just some videos.
Rickenslacker
Banned
This is probably the worst thing you could say in defense of it, as yeah, I found Borderlands pretty boring overall and the one thing I'm hoping above all else despite everything currently telling me otherwise is that this game won't be like it.
You're right, I'm not making any condemnations.
The footage is bad, but it's all I can concretely comment on as of this moment.Well I guess most of this boils down to limited scope of the game that is shown in the video. We follow an unexperienced player that sticks to the same gun and who plays on a rather easy difficulty. Switch everything of this around and you might start to see something more interesting.
And I don't know if I agree with the AI being non existent being. As I said before I think this is more a question about the difficulty and how easy it is for the player to overcome the enemy behaviour with just raw power. You can clearly see @ 1:35 in the latest video that the enemies split up as they land on the ground. One goes right, two stay in the middle and another one with light armor and a knife goes left and try to get around to melee the player. The guy playing completely misses this until the enemy is really close to him, and I expect this would've hurt him a lot on a higher difficulty setting.
RSB
Banned
Of course. In fact, it's good to speak about your concerns now, when there's still time to make some changes (it's also nice to see someone elaborating a little, instead of just saying "that looks boring" or any of its variants)You're right, I'm not making any condemnations.
I've also voiced my concerns, like the reticle bloom, slow character movement, enemy health bars, BJ control scheme, etc. Hopefully the game will be just as good as previous Bungie games, even if it ends being different from what I imagined/hoped.
Vinterbird
Member
If that's what's fueling people's rage then that's sad.
I think a lot of it has to do with a poorly planned marketing campaign, and the delay probably forced them to be quite for longer stretches then they wanted to.
I do fully expect the marketing machine to go into overdrive starting next week and giving them some forward momentum until launch.
neogaffer1
Banned
Dunno where to post this and if it's thread worthy, but the Destiny twitter account just tweeted that the Xbox One beta will be in July, and then immediately deleted the tweet. Mirror here: http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/27k6xc/destiny_beta_for_xbox_one_set_for_july/ci1kxsx
The beta is in July. That's been official for a while now
Way to cover all the bases.
Trickster
Member
Just because you don't like Borderlands, doesn't make the borderlands argument bad. And like another person also said, watching someone play Skyrim is a very boring affair compared to actually playing that game yourself.
Did you not see any of the previous footage from the game?
Well it does seem pretty likely to be the case so far. Destiny is setting preorder records for a new IP, and the PR machine hasn't even started for the game yet. And you have people saying the game looks shit based on random leaked alpha footage.
yeah no doubt it seems like the majority of posts in this thread are on either end of the spectrum in a pretty extreme way.
Jackbooted
Member
Expecting a June release for PS4 Beta if that tweet is anything to go by. Maybe a few weeks exclusive?
Well, the artstyle is impressive to me. And since it has cross-gen roots, I didn't expect it to be technically impressive.
Playstation gets 4 days early access to the beta.
Well I've been lurking here for awhile before I became a member, I've seen how these things go.
But I do think overall there will be more negative sentiment here versus supporters which is why I had the parenthesis placed the way I did. Regardless of that I think it will sell a lot, but mostly on the new consoles. (60/40 in favor of PS4 vs XB1 is my guess that I pull from no valid information whatsoever)
Trickster
Member
Some of the reactions from the thread about the 4 day headstart still baffle me. Some people in there seemed so mad that they "only" got to play the beta 4 days early on ps4.
PanicFreak
Member
I hope you're right about this game. My issue with it is that there can be a boring encounter. Bungie has given some of my favorite gaming moments and to see an encounter where you can completely wipe the floor with everyone is no fun. I want challenging gameplay and I hope they deliver.
Yea, I guess people were expecting weeks. Bungie needs to hit the servers with as many people as possible and across each platform the game is on. The sooner they get to that, the better the servers will hopefully be come launch.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I never said it was a bad argument, but as someone who is hoping that Destiny won't end up being like Borderlands despite sharing similar elements, saying to think back to how it handled combat (blandly) isn't going to do much for me.
Skyrim is also very boring as anything more than an insane mod sandbox but that's just me.
I hope so too man. I still haven't watched all the leaked videos yet, but in the Vimeo one from the OP, once the player runs into the higher tier enemies, they knock his health down pretty fast. I'm sure the difficulty will scale as players progress, probably even more so with increased player count.
Bungie has to be aware that a lot of people really dug playing their past games on the higher difficulties and enjoyed the challenge they provided. I have faith there will be similar things in place in Destiny to cater to those players.
I never said it was a bad argument, but as someone who is hoping that Destiny won't end up being like Borderlands despite sharing similar elements, saying to think back to how it handled combat (blandly) isn't going to do much for me.
I wasn't comparing the combat to Borderlands (though I didn't find Borderlands combat to be bland). I was comparing the starting area (Arid Badlands) to this leaked Destiny footage we have been seeing. The beginning area in Borderlands is rather bland, barren, and the enemies you face are largely fodder. If someone wanted to know what Borderlands was like, I definitely wouldn't show them game play from that first section. Unfortunately we don't have that luxury yet when it comes to Destiny footage.
ebullientprism
Member
Ahaha no it doesnt. Borderlands stays dull no matter where you are in the game. Thats why this looks terrible. You could swap out the gameplay for better/more enemies and co op buddies. More interesting guns. Better looking areas etc etc. But the core concept of it is still dull.
If you thought Borderlands is something amazing then I can understand why you would find this likeable.