If a female Link is unacceptable to you, I guess I'm sorry as well.
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The Legend of Zelda Wii-U Shown at Nintendo Digital Event ["2015"]
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If a female Link is unacceptable to you, I guess I'm sorry as well.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
People are acting as if Link looked like that boy or girl from Jurassic Park.
Randomizer
Member
Good to see that the realism advocates are out in force all over the internet as usual...sigh.
Zelda has always been stylised and always will be. Twilight Princess and the WiiU tech demo whilst darker in tone were still stylised. If you think they were striving for realism or that they were in some way more realistic looking than this, I don't even know were to begin.
Zelda has always been stylised and always will be. Twilight Princess and the WiiU tech demo whilst darker in tone were still stylised. If you think they were striving for realism or that they were in some way more realistic looking than this, I don't even know were to begin.
looks like a younger teen Link, younger than SS and TP teen Link possibly.
E-Cat
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Vermillion
Banned
Gotcha.
It looks like a part of Zelda's chest overlaps the belt.
I think that's the people on the country side. And I still don't see how you can get gender out of a shout?
I call the character Zelda, because I have faith Nintendo has respect for their characters and wouldn't do a gender swap, when Zelda is more than formidable enough to have a game made about her.
Not a big fan of pseudo pastel/cell shading, the E3 2011 WiiU Zelda - while limited on partial and physics effects looked much clearer and more realistic, It's like Nintendo want to make a darker more gritty Zelda by showing tech demo's at the start of each console release but then soften up for the actual release because god forbid if they don't cater to all audiences.
Don't get me wrong, the E3 2014 footage isn't bad, it's just more of the same art style, Ninetendo are just playing it safe yet again which is a real shame.
At least we can fill in this now:
Don't get me wrong, the E3 2014 footage isn't bad, it's just more of the same art style, Ninetendo are just playing it safe yet again which is a real shame.
At least we can fill in this now:
There was definitely an SS feel to this whole video.
Burning Justice
the superior princess
Now THIS Link looks effeminate. I might even mistake him for a girl if I didn't know better.
But Zelda Wii U's Link? Just not seeing it.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
My God. This just...wow. I keep watching the video over and over. Goddamn.
hitsugi
Member
Thanks for calling that out. Awaiting true HD trailer
Maybe because I don't really care about the Zelda timeline is why it does make sense to me.
If Mario creators chose to shackled by the timeline stuff too, then people would probably be asking the same thing of Mario games right now. Like where do the rpgs fit in, the 2d games, the 3d games, why is Bowser bad and sometimes good, etc. And why can't each "Mario" reincarnation be this or that. Kinda glad they didnt do that...
I guess I see the Zelda the same way. In which Mario is just Mario and Link it just Link. Whether it's Paper Mario, 2D, M&L Mario, it's just Mario at root. So it'd be weird if he suddenly had a huge change.
And Link is just Link to me, whether it's 2D, 3D, Hyrule Warriors, whatever. The timeline stuff isn't really for me so it's Nintendo's Link to me. So again, it'd be weird if Nintendo's Link changed.
Even with different graphics, from Paper Mario to Toon Link, it's still just Link and Mario to me. At the base of it I don't see either of them as different people in each game.
But this discussion is getting kind of pointless now...
Playing safe, and more of the same. The e3 2012 demo is tp hdNot a big fan of pseudo pastel/cell shading, the E3 2011 WiiU Zelda - while limited on partial and physics effects looked much clearer and more realistic, It's like Nintendo want to make a darker more gritty Zelda by showing tech demo's at the start of each console release but then soften up for the actual release because god forbid if they don't cater to all audiences.
Don't get me wrong, the E3 2014 footage isn't bad, it's just more of the same art style, Ninetendo are just playing it safe yet again which is a real shame.
At least we can fill in this now:
Looks like this might be the only game I buy on Wii U to play in single-player. Hoping for good IQ.
Also, this gender discussion is silly. Of course he's male.
Also, this gender discussion is silly. Of course he's male.
This game won't be 1080p on WiiU.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Looks amazing so far. If they pull it off, I can see myself buying a wii U next fall.
Buddha Beam
Banned
Also, this IS still Nintendo we're talking about here. They're not exactly, like, champions of progressivism or anything. They're very traditional and wary of shaking up formulas.
That includes Zelda. We always hear about how the next one will toss aside all the old conventions... but at the end of the day, it's still Zelda. Which is at least partly why so many people in recent years seem to have grown weary of it.
Nintendo will throw a lot of things to the side but they always keep the core intact. I think that based on their history, expecting or hoping Link will be female is going to set some of you up for disappointment.
That includes Zelda. We always hear about how the next one will toss aside all the old conventions... but at the end of the day, it's still Zelda. Which is at least partly why so many people in recent years seem to have grown weary of it.
Nintendo will throw a lot of things to the side but they always keep the core intact. I think that based on their history, expecting or hoping Link will be female is going to set some of you up for disappointment.
Neuromancer
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Legend of Zelda: Skyrim Sword
Arkam
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You .... have no idea
Not really. Nintendo were quite clear at the time that the Zelda graphics demo was not necessarily what the next Zelda would look like. It was just a showreel based on the Twilight Princess style.
IMO Zelda should always be a whimsical, colourful adventure, Nintendo now seem to agree.
Exactly, the tech demo looks decent for that room in particular, but Hyrule field would look REALLY generic and bland compared to what we got today
ShinMaruku
Member
This. Nintendo will keep it pretty close to the core, if it was not nintendo then maybe, but nintendo? Nope he's male.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
At this point I kinda suspect the reason Nintendo keeps using a "realistic" style for tech demos is because they're demos. People tend to judge hardware by how well it evokes the always-elusive dream of photorealism. So the engineering teams that put together their Zelda demos lean in the direction of realistic texture art to show off.
But when they get into the business of making an actual game, different needs arise. And the kind of art they create to flesh out the game world tends towards the fanciful, colorful, and impressionistic. Thus the final game veers back towards an artistic style.
But when they get into the business of making an actual game, different needs arise. And the kind of art they create to flesh out the game world tends towards the fanciful, colorful, and impressionistic. Thus the final game veers back towards an artistic style.
Laieon
Member
That's exactly how I see things as well.
EatinOlives
Member
I like the concept behind this. I always said I wanted Zelda to be a return to form of the very first game, one that focused on a large landmass and emphasized exploration over all. That is exactly what Aonuma was talking about.
I'll wait and see if the execution of the idea is quite what is promised. I mean, I also liked the concept behind Skyward Sword (return to island-esque freeroam from Wind Waker, dungeon design being found in non-dungeon areas in the overworld, etc), but the game itself was marred in execution by horrible pacing and ridiculous "hints".
I'll wait and see if the execution of the idea is quite what is promised. I mean, I also liked the concept behind Skyward Sword (return to island-esque freeroam from Wind Waker, dungeon design being found in non-dungeon areas in the overworld, etc), but the game itself was marred in execution by horrible pacing and ridiculous "hints".
brandonh83
Banned
This art style is way fucking better than the monotone generic style of the tech demo from a few years back. It was graphically nice but, you know, so is this. Zelda works better for me when it has a more cartoony angle. I just think it works and looks fantastic and it's just so much more appealing to me.
What I love about the open world concept is that it's not going to be a huge world for the sake of it, like Elder Scrolls. I think they'll nail it and it seems like we're going to get something that feels like the original but fully realized with modern technology. That entire presentation from Aonuma felt like, hey, we're trying to address everyone's problems with the last few games-- which I thought were terrific and some of the best installments, but I don't speak for everyone.
What I love about the open world concept is that it's not going to be a huge world for the sake of it, like Elder Scrolls. I think they'll nail it and it seems like we're going to get something that feels like the original but fully realized with modern technology. That entire presentation from Aonuma felt like, hey, we're trying to address everyone's problems with the last few games-- which I thought were terrific and some of the best installments, but I don't speak for everyone.
anchorman128
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Ya I have a feeling it's obviously going to be 720p just hoping for that 60fps goodness. Also, I have no idea what the whole gender discussion is even about Link always looks fairly effeminate. That being said, if they gave players the choice of gender in this game, I think that's something a lot of people would be happy about.
I for one am just praying that every character in the game besides the highly controversial Link is voice acted.
Spring-Loaded
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There are two different sex/gender discussions going on. One is what you're talking about, the other is:
DrFaustPhD
Member
Absolutely loving the art style. Can't wait to find out more about the game. Nintendo has really impressed me with its showing this year.
Shamrock7r
Member
I worry about this to be honest. A lot of the text in Zelda games has a quirky tone that I don't know would come across well when spoken aloud.
crooked spin
Member
This, exactly. TP HD is literally the definition of playing if safe.
ScriptedReality
Member
Sucks that I gotta get a wiiu now
Minister of the Dog
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At least we can fill in this now:
I just added Zelda U. All credit to the source at the bottom of the pic.
Saint Gregory
Member
That looks like the Skyward Sword engine ported to Wii U which probably helped them move more quickly with development than if they built a new engine from the ground up.
It will be great to see what they can do with the expanded resources given how constrained SS felt.
And no sign of an annoying companion so far is the best news out of E3 yet.
It will be great to see what they can do with the expanded resources given how constrained SS felt.
And no sign of an annoying companion so far is the best news out of E3 yet.
It literally floored me. I fell on the ground.