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Capcom completely denies that their COO says SF5 could have pay2win mechanics
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You can play SF4 with only short combos and specials and it still plays really well.
If they want casuals to buy their fighters, put a bunch of single player content like MK, and Injustice. Casuals drop fighters hard fast no matter what and that's the stuff that sells fighters to casuals, not pay 2 win nonsense that won't keep them around. Casuals don't care enough about playing to compete to pay for perks anyway. Skill will always win out.
crimzonflame
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Is SNK making a new KOF?
How many of those fundamental problems arose due to the concentration on all that bullshit though? When you set out with the goal of nickeling and diming people, how much do you think they really care about a well made game?
Stone Ocean
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I'm surprised SNK is even still making games in some form at this point.
They aren't exactly financially well.
A new KOF and Samurai Shodown, according to a job listing from last year.
gigantor21
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So they're going to double down on Gems Logic despite all the shit they got for it in SFxT, huh? Typical Capcpom.
You know how I would help new players?
- Have a simplified "newcomer" control scheme that can be filtered out online.
- A GOOD tutorial system that goes super in-depth at all levels. Like...I want to see them actually go into detail on pulling off a proper Dragon Punch motion on a variety of control types (pad, joystick, etc.). Then they can build from that all the way up to stuff like option selects.
- Character specific strategies you can play through, which can get updated as the game evolves over time. Capcom designed each character with a specific playstyle/approach in mind; they should show it to you in the actual game and try it out.
- Extensive training options--frame data, hitboxes, training with your friends on PSN/XBL, recording, the works. It's utterly embarrassing that an indie game like Skullgirls managed to run circles around Capcom on that front despite all the shit Mike Z. and Co. had to deal with just to get their game out. No excuses.
So there. Anyone who REALLY wants to get into the game will have all the tools available to them in an interactive way. Those who don't can still play online and off. And you won't have to compromise the game with stupid mechanics or Assist Gem nonsense.
But they won't do that, because there's more money in pay-to-win mechanics and pushing strategy guides instead. -_-
You know how I would help new players?
- Have a simplified "newcomer" control scheme that can be filtered out online.
- A GOOD tutorial system that goes super in-depth at all levels. Like...I want to see them actually go into detail on pulling off a proper Dragon Punch motion on a variety of control types (pad, joystick, etc.). Then they can build from that all the way up to stuff like option selects.
- Character specific strategies you can play through, which can get updated as the game evolves over time. Capcom designed each character with a specific playstyle/approach in mind; they should show it to you in the actual game and try it out.
- Extensive training options--frame data, hitboxes, training with your friends on PSN/XBL, recording, the works. It's utterly embarrassing that an indie game like Skullgirls managed to run circles around Capcom on that front despite all the shit Mike Z. and Co. had to deal with just to get their game out. No excuses.
So there. Anyone who REALLY wants to get into the game will have all the tools available to them in an interactive way. Those who don't can still play online and off. And you won't have to compromise the game with stupid mechanics or Assist Gem nonsense.
But they won't do that, because there's more money in pay-to-win mechanics and pushing strategy guides instead. -_-
Not Spaceghost
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This is the kind of system that would have decent short term impact on revenue but would likely drop off pretty fast.
Good players won't use it, bad players will probably not stick around when they realize they have to keep using it and those in the middle will probably really resent it.
Good players won't use it, bad players will probably not stick around when they realize they have to keep using it and those in the middle will probably really resent it.
crimzonflame
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Good.
Snacks the sober sea lion
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Go to hell.
sixteen-bit
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some people play the game like an rpg, grinding out bp but still playing like shit. like that xblackhawkdownx guy for example.
m_shortpants
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That's fine. That's what I would consider to be depth of game mechanics. Broadening accessibility should be achieved by other avenues as I mentioned. Maybe making the game free to play for a few characters and charge for others for example. And then actually have a tutorial mode that explains more than just combos, but rather space control, footsies, move advantage/disadvantage, etc.
dancegrenade
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Yes please!
Riposte
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Competitive players didn't care about DLC gem packs while they were playing. They cared about time-outs and such.
Capcom need much better training modes. I didn't play SF this gen, but the training in MvC3 was a joke. Even Persona 4 Arena did a much better job.
Double-Motions and 1f links would be examples of accessibility issues. They definitely know both are an issue- they intentionally dropped double motions and added chains to SFxT to try and work around those issues. (The former worked, the latter did not.)
I understand. What I'm getting at is that maybe the concentration on the gems and all that other bullshit made them lose sight of actually making a good game.
So ya... players can ignore all those things... but they can't stop the affect they had on the development of the game. Maybe if they hadn't included all that bullshit and concentrated on the core game we may of never had those issues.
SolarPowered
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One of my favorite buffers. It makes IAD so much easier. Stuff like that makes me want to play Mike Z's Lei Lei in my imaginary Darkstalkers IV.
Yeah, it gets people talking and rabble is better than no rabble.
BronsonLee
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A game being played=/=a game being popular, making money, etc.
Trust me, you don't want to go into the fucking dark days from when MvC2 came out to when SF4 came out, that's some zombie shit. It's hilarious that you bring up 3s too, considering that shit fucking died so quick after SFIV came out it basically never existed.
And to be blunt, who cares what you want? If you want to play old games, you're more than welcome to, but the reality is they need to start now, or they fall into the dark ages again. People don't just want to play the old games over and over and over again. Not enough people do for it to be useful, anyway.
m_shortpants
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Links are kind of essential to fighting games though, unless you go full dial a combo and juggle heavy like the recent MK games. But I don't know if that's still SF at that point. I guess they could make them (links) more lenient if anything.
Poetic.Injustice
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Please be a sequel to 3 and not another midquel, prequel etc.
Yeah, you can't avoid them, but you can use some level of buffering to smooth them out.
skatebored
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Whole lot of conclusions drawn up in here. EO mechanics never broke a game, gem system was convoluted, but didn't really upset the skill gap. I doubt Capcom will shit the bed with a Street Fighter game.
Except Street Fighter isn't necessarily a $60 title, with the development and support a game like this demands, it's more like a $200 game with the cost staggered out over time. SF4 was worth every penny at launch, and even more so now, if you jumped in now on Ultra at retail.
BlackClouds
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Wait, what's wrong with Ultra? I haven't followed it at all since the PC version is coming so late, is there a summary of its issues somewhere?
First I'm like
after the p2w crap though
Fucking Crapcom at their best. Thank god for Guilty Gear Xrd.
Yep, exact same reaction, except I never really cared for Guilty Gear (or BlazBlue for that matter) and thus are even more dependent on Capcom for giving me my street brawling action. Very very curious what will become of my most loved game series after this statement...
Edit: just to clarify, I'm not really trying to read to much into this or jump to conclusions just yet despite my first gut reaction. I'll certainly try to wait and see (with bated breath, but still) for what will follow.
BronsonLee
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Nothing is wrong with Ultra and beyond the initial outburst, nobody gave a fuck about MegaMan not being in UMvC3, especially since Zero went ham in it
Cornbread78
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sweet, I suck at fighters, so I could buy 1 button invincible super power moves to beat you hardcore fighter bastards to get those online trophies?? Time to spam that $hit for $1 an hour! Hell yeah Capcon, hell friggen' yeah!
Other than some bugfix/netcode issues, the game's great. Some people are just obsessed with owning THE definitive version of a game and can't stand the expansion pack model.
Benslammin
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Literally go fuck yourself capcom, you already made SF4 to make it more accessible to new-comers. Now can you just make a fighting game that appeals more to the fighting game community? Not saying that SF4 didn't, but I would like something leaning more towards Third Strike where it was a big love letter to the competitive scene.
Maybe they mean more accessible to fans by creating tutorial modes?
Also pay to win in a fucking street fighter game? Are you kidding me? Jesus christ I am nerdraging hard right now, I hope they are kind of testing the community reaction with this statement and then they review the reaction for future plans.
Maybe they mean more accessible to fans by creating tutorial modes?
Also pay to win in a fucking street fighter game? Are you kidding me? Jesus christ I am nerdraging hard right now, I hope they are kind of testing the community reaction with this statement and then they review the reaction for future plans.
The existence of paid cosmetic DLC is fine, their pricing on said DLC is not.
There are a crap ton of costumes at about double the cost of those for most other fighters. I don't think they should get a pass just because they're cosmetic. The pricing is still way out of line with the market for that type of content.
If they add an input buffer. It's going to be a bit easier to do tight frame traps, a bit easier to punish with normals (As an example, a 3 frame input buffer would make punishing Fei Rekkas with Cody's cr.LK a 4-frame window if you plink, as opposed to 2-frame with plinking).
Honestly, it's not a big deal. Any advantage it gives to people who do things like mash jab in-between untight strings (Which would be the first complaint), could be beaten with simple frametraps (Which would also be easier).
Riposte
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It's not real until they actually make the game with or without these features. Development is just starting and they* happen to be considering something really dumb.
EDIT: *: They meaning an exec who doesn't actually work on games.
Oh hell yes.
Altered Juice
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