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Mario Kart 8 sells (to consumers) ~2 million units in 1 month WW

lol what the fuck? This legitimately made me laugh while also confusing me that anyone could actually think like this. Nintendo isn't trying to make themselves worthy of some sort of third party pedigree; they're legitimately trying to make the Wii U somewhat successful (though it won't work.)

That having been said, I'd be shocked if Nintendo went third party before MS left the business.


I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.
 

BlackJace

Member
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.
Are you aware they plan to have more generations of hardware coming up or?....
 

massoluk

Banned
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.

If they have plan to get out of hardware, they can get out right the fuck now, they don't need to build any more goodwill.
 

balohna

Member
Smash and Mario Kart is going to be a pretty fierce tag team for Christmas, assuming Smash makes it by then. They'll springboard each other nicely. Wii U should get something closer to the sales that Nintendo hoped for last year at least.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii U hits 10 million by the end of the fiscal year. Not that those are great numbers (Dreamcast numbers, really) but it's a milestone. And Nintendo has enough money to keep supporting it for at least a couple more years, so it should easily exceed DC. I'm hopeful (because I respect Nintendo as game makers and want them to do well) it can beat GC LTD, but it does seem far off at this point.
 

phanphare

Banned
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.

"think" would be the wrong word to describe what you're doing..
 

Liha

Banned
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.

Nintendo has almost 8,000 employees and the necessary infrastructure to develop consoles. The hardware sector is still profitable and very important for the brand "Nintendo". These Third-Party theories are all illogical.
 
I think Nintendo is just hoping to leave the hardware scene on a high note. Sega was a damaged brand once they decided to shutdown things early. Nintendo probably wants to enter the third party scene as a respected heavy weight worthy of being courted.

There is no leaving the hardware scene on a high note. Especially when it involves gutting an important part of your company and firing tons of employees to compete in a space where you'll make a lot less money.
 

SmokeMaxX

Member
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.
Who's more likely to leave hardware, the company that consistently makes profit on every system sold and first party software that drives sales or the company that loses money on a system that's inferior to its same priced competitor and has to pay a shit-ton of money for games that will also be appearing on its rival's systems?

Just boggles my mind why people think Nintendo of all companies is leaving hardware. Hell if the PS4 wasn't doing as well as it was doing right now, Sony would probably already have Dreamcasted it a long time ago. That company's in some deep doodoo money-wise. Still they're better positioned than Microsoft who really doesn't have much reason to still be in the console market. I'm happy that they are and all, but it never really seemed like a good idea to have two console makers directly compete with each other like Microsoft/Sony's been doing. It just seems to hurt both companies and help neither.
 

jts

...hate me...
I think Nintendo is just hoping to leave the hardware scene on a high note. Sega was a damaged brand once they decided to shutdown things early. Nintendo probably wants to enter the third party scene as a respected heavy weight worthy of being courted.
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Cygnus X-1

Member
I think Nintendo is just hoping to leave the hardware scene on a high note. Sega was a damaged brand once they decided to shutdown things early. Nintendo probably wants to enter the third party scene as a respected heavy weight worthy of being courted.

Believe me, Nintendo is not going anywhere hardware-wise. They are (a) economically able to develop their next handheld and home system; (b) convinced that their decision to merge the handheld and home department for delivering an unified iOS and improve synergy between the two systems is going to improve things considerably, and (c) too stubborn to give up.
 
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.
You know they just merged their hardware divisions right? They've already said they're working on a new console and a handheld and that they will be like brothers to one another?
 

Mr-Joker

Banned
I think Nintendo is just hoping to leave the hardware scene on a high note. Sega was a damaged brand once they decided to shutdown things early. Nintendo probably wants to enter the third party scene as a respected heavy weight worthy of being courted.

Sega was bleeding money heavily as the result of the bad choices they made during the Mega Drive days, their choice was either go bankrupt or leave the console market.

Even then going third party still didn't help Sega in the long run.

I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.


Yeah, you just to want to play Nintendo games on your PS4Xbone don't you?

Nintendo isn't going third party as that will offer them no benefit what so ever.
 

OsirisBlack

Banned
I got my copy.... Have to admit it gets more play than anything on my XB1 or PS4 the only other game I play as much as MK8 right now is Smite.
 

jts

...hate me...
Just wondering. They were saying it was going to be wiimote+nunchuck long after Wii U released, so I've got some plates of crow to serve in the event it's gamepad only.

You'd be surprised by how many people don't even have their sensor bar setup with the Wii U. I don't have mine, 70% of the time.

I think Nintendo really dropped the ball by not including a Wii Remote with the Wii U. Gives out a bad message ("hey guys, remember that shit we fed you in the past 6 years? forget about it, lol") and the practical results are also bad for game development.

Not in hindsight either, I thought this the moment I knew they were going to do that.

But of course, they can just include a Wii Remote with every new Zelda copy.
 
Who's more likely to leave hardware, the company that consistently makes profit on every system sold and first party software that drives sales or the company that loses money on a system that's inferior to its same priced competitor and has to pay a shit-ton of money for games that will also be appearing on its rival's systems?

Just boggles my mind why people think Nintendo of all companies is leaving hardware. Hell if the PS4 wasn't doing as well as it was doing right now, Sony would probably already have Dreamcasted it a long time ago. That company's in some deep doodoo money-wise. Still they're better positioned than Microsoft who really doesn't have much reason to still be in the console market. I'm happy that they are and all, but it never really seemed like a good idea to have two console makers directly compete with each other like Microsoft/Sony's been doing. It just seems to hurt both companies and help neither.

Are you sure the Xbox One loses money on each console sold? The Xbox One has one advantage the Wii U doesn't have: 3rd party games actually sell.

Also, the Wii U barely makes any profit on each console sold. If Nintendo doesn't make money on hardware, doesn't sell 3rd party games, and sells little hardware, there's very little incentive to stay in the home console hardware business.
 
Are you sure the Xbox One loses money on each console sold? The Xbox One has one advantage the Wii U doesn't have: 3rd party games actually sell.

Also, the Wii U barely makes any profit on each console sold. If Nintendo doesn't make money on hardware, doesn't sell 3rd party games, and sells little hardware, there's very little incentive to stay in the hardware business.

Of course, one console that does as badly as you say it does (even though it doesn't, really, the hardware losses are minimal, if not zero now, and there is also the question of their own software, which sells a lot to their own fanbase, with no royalties being cut), should be a reason for them to quit the console business altogether, right?
 

Terrell

Member
You'd be surprised by how many people don't even have their sensor bar setup with the Wii U. I don't have mine, 70% of the time.

I think Nintendo really dropped the ball by not including a Wii Remote with the Wii U. Gives out a bad message ("hey guys, remember that shit we fed you in the past 6 years? forget about it, lol") and the practical results are also bad for game development.

Why include a controller that most people buying a Wii U already have at least 1 of, if not 2-4? This isn't Kinect we're talking about.
 
Are you sure the Xbox One loses money on each console sold? The Xbox One has one advantage the Wii U doesn't have: 3rd party games actually sell.

Also, the Wii U barely makes any profit on each console sold. If Nintendo doesn't make money on hardware, doesn't sell 3rd party games, and sells little hardware, there's very little incentive to stay in the hardware business.


There are a lot more reasons for Nintendo to stay in the hardware business than to leave it.

Nintendo still has the ability to surprise people, the Wii U is a set back but since they no longer lose money on the console at it's current price they can now focus on re-building their core fan base and then reach out to others again.

Nintendo has no debt as a company, a market value of over 16 billion dollars and nearly 6 billion in the bank. Going Third Party would destroy their overall value, which is why being reactionary too quick to a product that doesn't sell as well as the critics and fans think it should would be a bad move for Nintendo.

The Wii U will probably lose Nintendo some money overall in the long run but not Sony or Microsoft levels of loses. If they keep pumping out these first party gems like Mario Kart 8 , it will increase the Wii U's value and also the consumer confidence, all without the "help" of Third Party.
 
There are a lot more reasons for Nintendo to stay in the hardware business than to leave it.

Nintendo still has the ability to surprise people, the Wii U is a set back but since they no longer lose money on the console at it's current price they can now focus on re-building their core fan base and then reach out to others again.

Nintendo has no debt as a company, a market value of over 16 billion dollars and nearly 6 billion in the bank. Going Third Party would destroy their overall value, which is why being reactionary too quick to a product that doesn't sell as well as the critics and fans think it should would be a bad move for Nintendo.

The Wii U will probably lose Nintendo some money overall in the long run but not Sony or Microsoft levels of loses. If they keep pumping out these first party gems like Mario Kart 8 , it will increase the Wii U's value and also the consumer confidence, all without the "help" of Third Party.

Going third party wouldn't "destroy" their value. Also, I should have said there's very little incentive to stay in the home console business. If N64, Gamecube, and Wii U sales are the norm for Nintendo's home consoles, they're probably better off being exclusively handheld. (Or a hybrid)
 
Going third party wouldn't "destroy" their value. Also, I should have said there's very little incentive to stay in the home console business. If N64, Gamecube, and Wii U sales are the norm for Nintendo's home consoles, they're probably better off being exclusively handheld. (Or a hybrid)

If it makes Nintendo profit to sell 20-30 million home consoles each generation, why stop?

I'll try a different phrase for them going Third Party: Slow decline in value and probably about 5-8 years down the line leading to a shadow of their former self = destroyed value.

I do like the idea of the Fusion console though, Mario Kart 8 might have sold even more, but I am not sure how Nintendo would track sales like that. If they develop one game that runs on both their handheld and console, with one at low settings and another at Ultra settings, would they just count that games sales as one or separate for each system? Will be interesting to see.
 
Bought a Wii U ( I can't wait for Bayonetta 2) three days ago, and I'm having a blast playing Mario Cart 8, Super Mario 3D world and Zelda Wind Waker HD. I have many friends dismissing the console because of three reasons: 1. Not interested in playing Nintendo IPs 2. They buy two to three games per year and those games are the same shit every year (Battlefield, Fifa). 3. Inferior console in term of power and lack of third party support.

I'm pretty satisfied with the console, but how can Nintendo persuade people not interested in picking the console is beyond me, because I tried to persuade them.
 
If it makes Nintendo profit to sell 20-30 million home consoles each generation, why stop?

I'll try a different phrase for them going Third Party: Slow decline in value and probably about 5-8 years down the line leading to a shadow of their former self = destroyed value.

I do like the idea of the Fusion console though, Mario Kart 8 might have sold even more, but I am not sure how Nintendo would track sales like that. If they develop one game that runs on both their handheld and console, with one at low settings and another at Ultra settings, would they just count that games sales as one or separate for each system? Will be interesting to see.

Stop because the developers making games on a 20million console could have been making a game on a 100 million handheld instead. All the money spent on developing the console could have been spent elsewhere.
 
We went through the same claims that the Wii U was a huge success due to 3 million sales in the first holiday season, but since then over a year later that number has barely doubled. The first batch of sales for big-name IPs or hardware is easy, there are roughly 2-3 million super hardcore Nintendo fans worldwide. It's any sales after that which will be hard, even Zelda WW managed over 1 million. Either way, this game seems set to almost certainly end up the worst selling Mario Kart in the history of the series, potentially selling half or less of what Double Dash managed so I don't see what all the enthusiasm in this thread is over. They already pulled the bundle card.
 

mo60

Member
We went through the same claims that the Wii U was a huge success due to 3 million sales in the first holiday season, but since then over a year later that number has barely doubled. The first batch of sales for big-name IPs or hardware is easy, there are roughly 2-3 million super hardcore Nintendo fans worldwide. It's any sales after that which will be hard, even Zelda WW managed over 1 million. Either way, this game seems set to almost certainly end up the worst selling Mario Kart in the history of the series, potentially selling half or less of what Double Dash managed so I don't see what all the enthusiasm in this thread is over. They already pulled the bundle card.

The game already sold 2 million. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up selling 7+ million by the end of the gen.It will be above 4 million by december most likely.There's a very good chance that this game has an attach rate similar to NSMBU
 

spookyfish

Member
I honestly think they will support the Wii U to look good, and once it has had a reasonable lifespan, they will exit on that positive note. It really isn't that hard to imagine.

It will be a sweet Swan song for the die hards wanting the ultimate Nintendo dream system and then they will pack it in.

Yeah. Okay.

They'll go handheld-only before they would ever go third-party, so you'll have to wait for at least the PlayStation 6/XboxOneThird before you'll get your Nintendo games.
 
You know they just merged their hardware divisions right? They've already said they're working on a new console and a handheld and that they will be like brothers to one another?

Its like to me they have signaled time and again they no longer want to compete head on with Sony and Microsoft. They have also said time and again that this is a company that is evolving and experimenting. In other words, they want their own niche as they have always wanted. No way they will release a console/handheld system on par with the PS4 graphically with a handheld more powerful than the 3DS. That would be too expensive and we know Nintendo doesn't think like that. I think many of you have your blinders on. They want something that doesn't compete with the traditional home consoles or smartphones directly. It seems more likely that they release a reimagining of what a handheld console is and that includes TV connectivity.

Think more along the lines of a suped up Fire TV/ handheld combo and you be closer to what they are signaling. Whatever it is, it isn't going to be in the same market as the PS4 and Xbox One. They want their own segment. Even many of the things some of you are pointing at as evidence that they are some how staying in the horse race against Microsoft and Sony looks more like a company that is refocusing rather than a company that is doubling down. This is very much a company that sees the need to side step the traditional home console scene and they are going out of their way to make you see that. Some of you just can't let go of the past. But I'm sure as hell not afraid of the hive mind "correcting" me. You guys come off as silly and pretty thin skinned. I'll enjoy my Wii U as much as anyone else but I'm not going to be stupid about their future.
 

mo60

Member
Its like to me they have signaled time and again they no longer want to compete head on with Sony and Microsoft. They have also said time and again that this is a company that is evolving and experimenting. In other words, they want their own niche as they have always wanted. No way they will release a console/handheld system on par with the PS4 graphically with a handheld more powerful than the 3DS. That would be too expensive and we know Nintendo doesn't think like that. I think many of you have your blinders on. They want something that doesn't compete with the traditional home consoles or smartphones directly. It seems more likely that they release a reimagining of what a handheld console is and that includes TV connectivity.

Think more along the lines of a suped up Fire TV/ handheld combo and you be closer to what they are signaling. Even many of the things some of you are pointing at as evidence that they are some how staying in the horse race against Microsoft and Sony looks more like a company that is refocusing rather than a company that is doubling down. This is very much a company that sees the need to side step the traditional home console scene and they are going out of their way to make you see that. Some of you just can't let go of the past.
The handheld and console will still be separate from each other(one of them will be significantly more powerful than the other), but they will be more similar to each other next gen.
 

sörine

Banned
We went through the same claims that the Wii U was a huge success due to 3 million sales in the first holiday season, but since then over a year later that number has barely doubled. The first batch of sales for big-name IPs or hardware is easy, there are roughly 2-3 million super hardcore Nintendo fans worldwide. It's any sales after that which will be hard, even Zelda WW managed over 1 million. Either way, this game seems set to almost certainly end up the worst selling Mario Kart in the history of the series, potentially selling half or less of what Double Dash managed so I don't see what all the enthusiasm in this thread is over. They already pulled the bundle card.
Less than half of Double Dash? Do you work for Polygon by chance?
 

ZSaberLink

Media Create Maven
This thread went south real fast.

MK8 is doing much much better than any other Nintendo title on the Wii U so far.

Here are some other US numbers
3D World in 8 days = 220K, from Nov 2013 to end of May 2014 = 770K
WWHD in 1st month (10 days? I forget) = 100K alone, 100K in WWHD bundle (keep in mind this was a price cut bundle)

MK8 in 2 days = 352K w/o the bundle, about 25K bundles so 377K
With Nintendo's most recent stat, MK8 has sold about 1.5M in the US/Europe b/c Japan is close to 500K. The game is doing quite well. It's not even the holidays yet either. What we don't know are the HW numbers. the MK8 Wii U bundle basically still seems sold out everywhere a month after release. Now whether this just means Nintendo had really low expectations, or whether it's selling in significant quantities is hard to tell. We'll know in the June NPD.
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
Its like to me they have signaled time and again they no longer want to compete head on with Sony and Microsoft. They have also said time and again that this is a company that is evolving and experimenting. In other words, they want their own niche as they have always wanted. No way they will release a console/handheld system on par with the PS4 graphically with a handheld more powerful than the 3DS. That would be too expensive and we know Nintendo doesn't think like that. I think many of you have your blinders on. They want something that doesn't compete with the traditional home consoles or smartphones directly. It seems more likely that they release a reimagining of what a handheld console is and that includes TV connectivity.

Think more along the lines of a suped up Fire TV/ handheld combo and you be closer to what they are signaling. Whatever it is, it isn't going to be in the same market as the PS4 and Xbox One. They want their own segment. Even many of the things some of you are pointing at as evidence that they are some how staying in the horse race against Microsoft and Sony looks more like a company that is refocusing rather than a company that is doubling down. This is very much a company that sees the need to side step the traditional home console scene and they are going out of their way to make you see that. Some of you just can't let go of the past. But I'm sure as hell not afraid of the hive mind "correcting" me. You guys come off as silly and pretty thin skinned. I'll enjoy my Wii U as much as anyone else but I'm not going to be stupid about their future.


stepping out of the traditional home console scene is a statement that means so many things; besides, that's how Nintendo always acted, at least since the GC
 
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Deleted member 325805

Unconfirmed Member
I think Nintendo is just hoping to leave the hardware scene on a high note. Sega was a damaged brand once they decided to shutdown things early. Nintendo probably wants to enter the third party scene as a respected heavy weight worthy of being courted.

I couldn't disagree more. The Wii U is doing great since Mario Kart and once the hype starts to die down a little POW, it's time for Super Smash Bros.
 

Juraash

Member
Good job Nintendo. I think this shows that the desire for their stuff is there, it just needs to be made available.

It's a great game and I'm glad so many people are enjoying it.
 

jts

...hate me...
Why include a controller that most people buying a Wii U already have at least 1 of, if not 2-4? This isn't Kinect we're talking about.
You have to consider that the Wii didn't end on a strong note. Lots of people boxed it up, handed it down, sold it, trashed it. Besides, you can never be too reliant on communication alone that people will know that their old Wii Remotes will work on the Wii U. Some will miss that completely. Additionally, why only consider a subset of Wii owners as potential Wii U owners? Not a matter of ambition, because Nintendo can only DREAM that the Wii U sold a significant fraction of what the Wii did, but limiting its reach doesn't do it any favours.

etc etc

There's a reason why a game such as Wii Party U, that needs a Wii Remote, comes bundled with it at retail (edit: okay I know that the first one also did).

I think Nintendo should've taken the hit. A Wii Remote probably costs $10 to manufacture.
 

Doorman

Member
Its like to me they have signaled time and again they no longer want to compete head on with Sony and Microsoft. They have also said time and again that this is a company that is evolving and experimenting. In other words, they want their own niche as they have always wanted. No way they will release a console/handheld system on par with the PS4 graphically with a handheld more powerful than the 3DS. That would be too expensive and we know Nintendo doesn't think like that. I think many of you have your blinders on. They want something that doesn't compete with the traditional home consoles or smartphones directly. It seems more likely that they release a reimagining of what a handheld console is and that includes TV connectivity.

Think more along the lines of a suped up Fire TV/ handheld combo and you be closer to what they are signaling. Whatever it is, it isn't going to be in the same market as the PS4 and Xbox One. They want their own segment. Even many of the things some of you are pointing at as evidence that they are some how staying in the horse race against Microsoft and Sony looks more like a company that is refocusing rather than a company that is doubling down. This is very much a company that sees the need to side step the traditional home console scene and they are going out of their way to make you see that. Some of you just can't let go of the past. But I'm sure as hell not afraid of the hive mind "correcting" me. You guys come off as silly and pretty thin skinned. I'll enjoy my Wii U as much as anyone else but I'm not going to be stupid about their future.

...You realize that all of this talk all of a sudden about how they want to sidestep the traditional console market, still suggests that they will be delivering their own content through their own platform, and thus still won't be going third-party on the "traditional" consoles anyway? So you've just backpedaled over your initial assertion of them wanting to have a good swan song and bow out, instead bringing up that they'll just come out with something entirely different, which nobody is even disputing all that hard.

Anyway, back on the main topic, 2 million on its own doesn't really feel like a lot in terms of modern major-market games, but it's a really good start for a slow-moving system, and Mario Kart games always have ridiculous legs. Later in the year, when Hyrule Warriors, Bayo 2, Smash, and even Zelda next year come out, more people will jump on board, and Mario Kart will remain an appealing title to reach back for. I recall some old NPD threads being shocked to see that Mario Kart DS was still putting up chart-worthy numbers multiple years after its release. Yes, the DS had a much larger install base to work with, but that kind of longevity is just not something you see from other franchise games on other systems, regardless of consoles sold.
 
...You realize that all of this talk all of a sudden about how they want to sidestep the traditional console market, still suggests that they will be delivering their own content through their own platform, and thus still won't be going third-party on the "traditional" consoles anyway? So you've just backpedaled over your initial assertion of them wanting to have a good swan song and bow out, instead bringing up that they'll just come out with something entirely different, which nobody is even disputing all that hard.

Learn to read and properly interpret what was meant before claiming someone backpedaled, buddy. If it's too hard for you to follow, then don't comment. Making triple A software for the big two and releasing this hybrid is something that can be done at the same time if this hybrid truly is what I think it could become. I'm not getting on a merry go round with fanboys who don't seem to care for opinions that don't coincide with their own vision for where they want Nintendo to go on.
 

mo60

Member
Learn to read and properly interpret what was meant before claiming someone backpedaled, buddy. If it's too hard for you to follow, then don't comment. Making triple A software for the big two and releasing this hybrid is something that can be done at the same time if this hybrid truly is what I think it could become. I'm not getting on a merry go round with fanboys who don't seem to care for opinions that don't coincide with their own vision for where they want Nintendo to go on.

They won't be making games for either of the other two console manufactures in the near future so I suggest you give up with that dream of yours.
 

Doorman

Member
Learn to read and properly interpret what was meant before claiming someone backpedaled, buddy. If it's too hard for you to follow, then don't comment. Making triple A software for the big two and releasing this hybrid is something that can be done at the same time if this hybrid truly is what I think it could become. I'm not getting on a merry go round with fanboys who don't seem to care for opinions that don't coincide with their own vision for where they want Nintendo to go on.

Making software for the other systems as well as their own hybrid is something that can be done, sure, but it's also exceedingly unlikely considering Nintendo's philosophy and how they manage their IPs. Plus, your previous posts mention going third party and reference the Wii U as Nintendo's "swan song," both of which imply that they would no longer be manufacturing their own hardware, which, traditionally-styled console or not, you yourself are admitting that they will continue to do. If you believe that their best legitimate strategy is to stop manufacturing their own hardware and produce games for other systems instead, then go ahead and stick to that. Even though I disagree with the likelihood of that happening, it's still a more realistic outcome than them trying to support some hardware of their own design as well as "AAA" outings on other systems. That would be spreading them even thinner than they already are.
 
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