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Will discussion of certain games be banned on Neogaf from here on out?

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Hexa

Hexa

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It makes no sense to me as well. It would be better for mods to set strict and clear rules for the threads and ban those that don't follow them.
 
Sakura

Sakura

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Zane said:
I'll admit I've never played a VN game in my life. I've just heard friends say that the sexual content is part of the story in some of them and I assumed Fate/Stay Night was one of them lol
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The fact they can make an all ages version of the game suggests that the sexual content really isn't that integral to the story.
 
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El Sloth

Banned
mingus said:
Why the worry? I think it's fairly obvious where the line is drawn. The "I know it when I see it" standard is good enough for me.
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It just gives me pause is all. I wouldn't want to see the same treatment to the sort of games I liked because a mod had something against, for example, the fighting game community or the gore in Mortal Kombat.

I don't know, the whole thing just makes me feel icky.
ZoddGutts said:
Shame free speech is being censored. smh
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Let's not get things twisted; Neogaf is most definitely a dictatorship not a democracy. And that's partly the reason why the forum is so readable.
 
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LegatoB

Member
ponpo said:
It's pretty lewd, but my problem with defining it as an h-game is if you do then you have a buttload of other recent titles that you'll want to start banning discussion about.

Unless the sole reason is "punishment" and not simply slightly ero-scenes. If not, then again, not sure why something like Demon Gaze or a lot of Senran stuff would be allowed but not this.
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I'm far enough down the anime rabbit hole to shrug it off as "not my bag," but I can definitely see why people would be okay with Big Titty Ninjas Being Dumb, but draw the line at a game where, um, well, erotic torture is required to force girls to submit to your orders. And you can't opt out of this if you want the girls to learn new skills and advance through the game.

Criminal Girls is just barely shy of being an outright porno game, and from what I've heard, that was always the intention of its designers. Not actually showing nipples or genitalia isn't the sole definition of what makes something "OK" or "Not OK."
 
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Steve Youngblood

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ponpo said:
Why would a mod want to stay anonymous for closing thread sometimes and not others?
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Well, I've done both. Further, not everyone is the same. Sometimes, I don't mind putting my name behind a decision so as to say "if anyone doesn't like it, I'm the one that closed this thread." Other times, I might want to type out an explanation that's too long for ModBot message, so that's why the personal touch is used. Other times, we're just acting on behalf of the moderation policy at large and would rather it not look like an individual decision. Not wanting to be singled out with user responses may also factor into it.
 
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ponpo

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Krejlooc said:
I think "the eyeball test" is pretty obvious in this case. If you're seriously confused about where the line is (and I can admit it appears to be a giant gray line) then perhaps, when those specific topics arise, you should ask a mod for clarification.

If you want to point out hypocrisy or the subjective nature of the moderation, fair enough, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll get what you want (assuming you want such threads to not get locked). As I warned the guy above, I would expect pointing out double standards would just result in more locked threads than threads being unlocked.
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I dunno, I mean I don't care for the games either way, but having such inconsistencies is a bad system I think since it leads to confusion on what you can or can not talk about.

If you're not allowed to talk about criminal girls because 'girls that look 6 years old are moaning when you whip them' but you're allowed to talk about random vita game that features 'girls that look 6 years old that are moaning when you rub your touch screen' then that's weird, but state it I guess.

All should be locked IMO. WholesomeGAF's reign begins now.

Steve Youngblood said:
Well, I've done both. Further, not everyone is the same. Sometimes, I don't mind putting my name behind a decision so as to say "if anyone doesn't like it, I'm the one that closed this thread." Other times, I might want to type out an explanation that's too long for ModBot message, so that's why the personal touch is used. Other times, we're just acting on behalf of the moderation policy at large and would rather it not look like an individual decision. Not wanting to be singled out with user responses may also factor into it.
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Makes sense, though if one is simply acting on behalf of the site's moderation policy I'm not sure why they'd be worried about a decision being attached to them as a moderator.
 
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Alfredo

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Cheese Sandwich said:
People with no interest at all will still click on Criminal Girls threads just to talk about how it's affecting the industry, how only pedophiles would play it, etc. Completely unrelated to the game's content at all.
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Pretty much. I still have no idea what kind of game this is or what you do in it.
 
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daegan

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While no rule on NeoGAF can't change later, I do think that some guidance is in order on whether this is due to the game's content or the direction threads about it tend to go.
 
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Settin

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If we're banning discussion of games that upset people, ban discussion of the Tomb Raider reboot. Lara being impaled on a branch was the most disturbing thing I've seen in games lately.
 
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Mechazawa

Member
Cheese Sandwich said:
It's pretty understandable. People with no interest at all will still click on Criminal Girls threads just to talk about how it's affecting the industry, how only pedophiles would play it, etc. Completely unrelated to the game's content at all.
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Isn't that what proper modding would avoid?

We've had threads before where a mod has made an ultimatum stating that if you want to talk about aspects of a game unrelated to gameplay, that people need to create a different thread or take their discussion to one that was already made.
 
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Gamerloid

Member
The game goes too far with it's fan service ways. It was about the punishment game, a mini game in which you sexually punish minors. Not adults, but characters that clearly are designed as young naive girls.
 
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18-Volt

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El Sloth said:
I basically have negative interest in Criminal Girls, I don't even know what the actual "game" part of it is, but this sort of thing with Modbot still worries me. Are we going to begin censoring discussions of certain games because the majority find the content questionable or repugnant? What sort of precedent is being set here exactly?
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I believe it's not the first time this happens. I remember all threads about infamous Doki Doki Majo Shinpan were locked back then. Doki Doki series too were borderline porn games just like Criminal Girls.
 
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SDBurton

World's #1 Cosmonaut Enthusiast
Zane said:
i'd kill myself, prob
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Crayons

Banned
Gamerloid said:
The game goes too far with it's fan service ways. It was about the punishment game, a mini game in which you sexually punish minors. Not adults, but characters that clearly are designed as young naive girls.
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Won't somebody think of the 2D girl's feelings?!
 
Vire

Vire

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I'm pretty okay with that game not being allowed to be discussed after looking it up.

I'd prefer if the fan service weirdos went somewhere else.
 
B

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
On the one hand I think "bad precedent".

But on the other hand, what if someone were to make a RapeLay |OT| ?

I guess there is a line somewhere, when you consider the eroge that is out there.
 
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Krejlooc

Banned
ponpo said:
I dunno, I mean I don't care for the games either way, but having such inconsistencies is a bad system I think since it leads to confusion on what you can or can not talk about.

If you're not allowed to talk about criminal girls because 'girls that look 6 years old are moaning when you whip them' but you're allowed to talk about random vita game that features 'girls that look 6 years old that are moaning when you rub your touch screen' then that's weird, but state it I guess.

All should be locked IMO. WholesomeGAF's reign begins now.
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I don't think that thread was locked simply for it's explicit nature. I think it was locked for a combination of its explicit nature, plus that the explicit nature and subject matter of the game made constructive discussion of the game virtually impossible. By default, simply because of what the game is, I think it's impossible to have conversations about that game amongst this population without people getting banned.

In the end, the conversation was obviously going to turn toxic. Reading the responses in the thread, and the way the those in favor were mocking arguments not-yet-brought-up leads me to believe that the song and dance had been done before, many times.
 
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Settin

Member
Vire said:
I'm pretty okay with that game not being allowed to be discussed after looking it up.

I'd prefer if the fan service weirdos went somewhere else.
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"avatar quote"
I'd prefer weirdos that glorify gory murder go somewhere else.
 
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foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
ponpo said:
I dunno, I mean I don't care for the games either way, but having such inconsistencies is a bad system I think since it leads to confusion on what you can or can not talk about.

If you're not allowed to talk about criminal girls because 'girls that look 6 years old are moaning when you whip them' but you're allowed to talk about random vita game that features 'girls that look 6 years old that are moaning when you rub your touch screen' then that's weird, but state it I guess.

All should be locked IMO. WholesomeGAF's reign begins now.
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your gonna destroy all of animegaf with that talk
 
s_mirage

s_mirage

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Kwixotik said:
I mean... I think any reasonable person can figure out what games probably don't merit discussion on here.
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That's a dangerous path to go down isn't it? The "reasonable person" aka "community standards" justification for censorship? A "reasonable person" may also view hideously violent games as not worthy of discussion either, should those be banned too?

I'd never heard of this game until now so I've got no irons in this particular fire, but if the game is a legitimate western release that isn't AO rated or porn, doesn't banning discussion of it based on the distaste of some set a dangerous precedent? Also, I have to ask, wouldn't it be more constructive for the mod or mods shutting down discussion to actually explain why they are doing so rather than just anonymously closing topics?
 
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Neiteio

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My 10 seconds of looking at screens on Google Images suggest Criminal Girls is about watching pre-teen girls touch themselves provocatively while surrounded by clouds of purple mist.
 
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ZoddGutts

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Don't even get me started on the KLK thread. Underage anime girls wearing stripper clothes. Only a matter of time before mods might close that thread.
 
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Spring-Loaded

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A contingent of GAF is in capable of discussing certain subjects. Blacklisting certain games is a bad precedent, but this is a "chicken or the egg" situation.
 
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Mass Effect

Member
Personally, I'm not really a fan of the decision to ban certain games(note: I care nothing for the game in question), but at the same time can see where the mods are coming from.

ZoddGutts said:
At least this means Bioware threads will be locked for the very same reason. Their games are no better than those pervy and badly written Japanese games.
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Hmm...
 
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PfantzyPantz

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Sakura said:
The fact they can make an all ages version of the game suggests that the sexual content really isn't that integral to the story.
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Yep, most of the time the sex scenes are just there to get more purchases from the otaku crowd (I'm still bitter about Tomoyo After's existance). They're usually completely irrelevant and actually take away from the story, but eh.

I hate games like Criminal Girls or whatever, but I don't think there's an easy answer. If you don't lock the threads, then it's just endless "You child rapist freaks!" vs "Free speech and artistic integrity!". No one will change their minds.
Then again the Anita threads don't get derailed because they ban people who insult Anita, so maybe go that route, though I dislike that aswell.
 
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Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
discussions for a game so thematically controversy would be a nightmare to moderate, so I would surmise it's best to avoid the issue altogether, although this kind of preemptive censorship always leaves me a bit conflicted, because it creates a most uncomfortable precedent
 
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MUnited83

For you.
Krejlooc said:
I think what you are posting is more an argument for why those visual novel threads shouldn't be allowed than why Criminal Girls should be allowed. You should be mindful of that unless you actually want those threads locked.
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That's one of the stupidest things I ever heard.
 
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Brakke

Banned
s_mirage said:
That's a dangerous path to go down isn't it? The "reasonable person" aka "community standards" justification for censorship? A "reasonable person" may also view hideously violent games as not worthy of discussion either, should those be banned too?

I'd never heard of this game until now so I've got no irons in this particular fire, but if the game is a legitimate western release that isn't AO rated or porn, doesn't banning discussion of it based on the distaste of some set a dangerous precedent? Also, I have to ask, wouldn't it be more constructive for the mod or mods shutting down discussion to actually explain why they are doing so rather than just anonymously closing topics?
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"Dangerous".
 
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ponpo

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Krejlooc said:
I don't think that thread was locked simply for it's explicit nature. I think it was locked for a combination of its explicit nature, plus that the explicit nature and subject matter of the game made constructive discussion of the game virtually impossible. By default, simply because of what the game is, I think it's impossible to have conversations about that game amongst this population without people getting banned.

In the end, the conversation was obviously going to turn toxic. Reading the responses in the thread, and the way the those in favor were mocking arguments not-yet-brought-up leads me to believe that the song and dance had been done before, many times.
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Was it the "punishment" part? I don't remember the original Criminal Girls threads, but IIRC it didn't turn out that different from any other similar Vita title thread featuring borderline sexual scenes with similar looking girls.

Similarly, I don't imagine future threads about similar titles will end up any different.

foxuzamaki said:
your gonna destroy all of animegaf with that talk
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Duckroll already did ( ≖‿≖)
 
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