Well sure. Of course its their choice.
I don't think anyone really demands an explanation for why someone isn't wearing makeup.
Well sure. Of course its their choice.
I don't think anyone really demands an explanation for why someone isn't wearing makeup.
Eh, it happens in the work place, and I know guys who complain if their girlfriend goes out without makeup.
Personally I'm fine with or without. Not a fan of the super overdone caked on makeup look though.
When you don't, people sometimes ask you if you're sick or unwell. And if you don't, then do on occasion, people sometimes ask you what the 'big night' is about or some such. It's all quite silly and/or annoying.
Everyone should do what makes them happy, but wearing make-up can be a vortex of evil (damages the skin to where you need to wear more to cover the damage wearing it caused, creates a certain expectation for people, etc.). It's like they're one person when they're wearing it, then unrecognizable when they take it off. I just wish people didn't feel such pressure to look perfect all the time.
So the first reason is interesting to me: "I'm a grown woman and I can do whatever I want." This is similar to many others: "Because I like it," for instance.
On a superficial level, this argument seems difficult to argue against, but I think a more probing analysis might say otherwise. Most importantly: well, why does that woman want to do what she wants to do? Why does the woman like it?
Do she/we think she wants to wear makeup because that's just who she is? Or do we think that her desire to wear makeup is influenced by external forces outside her control -- some of which may be insidious?
As a more extreme example to clarify the concept: imagine a 1950s housewife. A huge number of these women were perfectly happy being housewives. The question we might ask, then, is why was that the case? Did it just happen to be true that a lot more women at that time wanted to be domestic than there are presently? I think a reasonable person could argue that many of these women were influenced by society in such a way that they viewed domestic life as their "proper" place, without ever being aware that they were being influenced in this fashion. They did prefer to be domestic, but those preferences did not spring out of thin air, and were not created by their brains alone (or even created by their brains primarily).
Similarly, the notion that women just want to wear makeup because that's who they are is a suspect notion. How did they get to be "who they are?" How did they end up liking the things they like?
Eh, it happens in the work place, and I know guys who complain if their girlfriend goes out without makeup.
Personally I'm fine with or without. Not a fan of the super overdone caked on makeup look though.
I liken it to the trend that women in the West going for that "tanned" look, to the point where they are giving themselves skin cancer by going to the tanning beds for too often. There is some social pressure that privileged a specific look, even if it is damaging to try to achieve that look unnaturally.I agree with this strongly. On an individual level, it's probably too late to significantly influence the preferences of a single person, let alone a grown person, as most people's preferences and attitudes change little after age 20 or so.
But on a larger level, surely we can agree that some women like to wear make up for reasons which are not entirely of their own making.
Yes, some women like to wear make up. But why do they like it? Some women want to wear make up. By why do they want to? Where did those preferences come from in the first place? Some people might argue these are innate preferences that are just built in to women. I would strongly argue otherwise, and would suggest that these preferences are instilled in women from a young age by society at large.
I agree with this strongly. On an individual level, it's probably too late to significantly influence the preferences of a single person, let alone a grown person, as most people's preferences and attitudes change little after age 20 or so.
But on a larger level, surely we can agree that some women like to wear make up for reasons which are not entirely of their own making.
Yes, some women like to wear make up. But why do they like it? Some women want to wear make up. By why do they want to? Where did those preferences come from in the first place? Some people might argue these are innate preferences that are just built in to women. I would strongly argue otherwise, and would suggest that these preferences are primarily instilled in women from a young age by society at large.
I think this one is usually just boring/awkward people making rubbish conversation.
I agree with this strongly. On an individual level, it's probably too late to significantly influence the preferences of a single person, let alone a grown person, as most people's preferences and attitudes change little after age 20 or so.
But on a larger level, surely we can agree that some women like to wear make up for reasons which are not entirely of their own making.
Yes, some women like to wear make up. But why do they like it? Some women want to wear make up. By why do they want to? Where did those preferences come from in the first place? Some people might argue these are innate preferences that are just built in to women. I would strongly argue otherwise, and would suggest that these preferences are primarily instilled in women from a young age by society at large.
i prefer the natural no makeup look personally
You say "huge," but was it really? Was it the majority? There have been women fighting for equality in almost every era, and many women probably didn't think they could be anything more.l given the way society was.As a more extreme example to clarify the concept: imagine a 1950s housewife. A huge number of these women were perfectly happy being housewives. The question we might ask, then, is why was that the case? Did it just happen to be true that a lot more women at that time wanted to be domestic than there are presently? I think a reasonable person could argue that many of these women were influenced by society in such a way that they viewed domestic life as their "proper" place, without ever being aware that they were being influenced in this fashion. They did prefer to be domestic, but those preferences did not spring out of thin air, and were not created by their brains alone (or even created by their brains primarily).
Similarly, the notion that women just want to wear makeup because that's who they are is a suspect notion. How did they get to be "who they are?" How did they end up liking the things they like?
I don't buy this line of reasoning. Going by this logic, you're going down of rabbit whole and all if a sudden no one has any agency. Besides, you can't tell who likes make-up from social pressure and who just genuinely likes it. Nobody knows anybody else better than themselves.I agree. I put make-up usage under peer pressure to be honest or social pressure. Same way women shave most of their body. Do they like it? Possibly but where did that like for it originate?
You say "huge," but was it really? Was it the majority? There have been women fighting for equality in almost every era, and many women probably didn't think they could be anything more.l given the way society was.
I don't see what's suspect about it. Some women just like to wear make-up. Just because it's an artificial convention doesn't mean it's not genuine.
I had a guy who I was seeing for a bit mention once when we went out that it seemed like I didn't 'care'. Since I'd done my hair and was wearing a dress/nice shoes and thought I looked ok I was a bit confused, but I caught on eventually that he was referring to my lack of anything but mascara. I was pretty taken aback. I mean, he was wearing jeans' for Pete's sake.
I rarely, and I mean RARELY wear make-up. I think I look just fine without it.
I agree with this strongly. On an individual level, it's probably too late to significantly influence the preferences of a single person, let alone a grown person, as most people's preferences and attitudes change little after age 20 or so.
But on a larger level, surely we can agree that some women like to wear make up for reasons which are not entirely of their own making.
Yes, some women like to wear make up. But why do they like it? Some women want to wear make up. By why do they want to? Where did those preferences come from in the first place? Some people might argue these are innate preferences that are just built in to women. I would strongly argue otherwise, and would suggest that these preferences are primarily instilled in women from a young age by society at large.
Don't: Because everyone should feel comfortable in their own skin
Don't: Because... we need to start believing we are beautiful as we are!
I don't buy this line of reasoning. Going by this logic, you're going down of rabbit whole and all if a sudden no one has any agency. Besides, you can't tell who likes make-up from social pressure and who just genuinely likes it. Nobody knows anybody else better than themselves.
Ha, I feel ya. I mean, I'm a man, but in my experience we generally suck - well, I suck - at noticing the little changes. We'll know that somethin looks off, but we won't be able to tell what exactly.
Which is why this whole make-up thing is insidious for men too. I always say I don't care about make-up, that I like women au naturel, but really, how can I know for sure if I see this fine-looking woman thinking she's not wearing any make-up, and in fact she is -- just subtly so?
Make-up really is a deception, but I don't blame women for resorting to it. I blame society for instilling the notion of obligatory make-up into our minds in the first place.
You look very cute, and based on this pic at least, you definitely don't need any make-up in my book. Keep on keeping on!
i prefer the natural no makeup look personally
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lol, don't do this freenude.
But can we make the argument that women don't wear makeup because they also were being influenced by outside reasons? Perhaps the reason is just to rebel against societies norms.
We are all products of our enviroment and our society, whether you are the rebel or the conformist or anywhere in between. The option is presented and everyone makes their choices based on who they are.
I agree with this strongly. On an individual level, it's probably too late to significantly influence the preferences of a single person, let alone a grown person, as most people's preferences and attitudes change little after age 20 or so.
But on a larger level, surely we can agree that some women like to wear make up for reasons which are not entirely of their own making.
Yes, some women like to wear make up. But why do they like it? Some women want to wear make up. By why do they want to? Where did those preferences come from in the first place? Some people might argue these are innate preferences that are just built in to women. I would strongly argue otherwise, and would suggest that these preferences are primarily instilled in women from a young age by society at large.