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[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Potential abuse I see coming:
-no more demos outside of the access service
-dlc exclusive to access service
-retail game prices rising to push people to access services
-some games completely exclusive to access service if not just timed
-locking out features only to access subscribers

I essentially becomes a platform and your game box just acts like the PC to it's Uplay client but much much worse with the above examples. Vomit.

 

[jem0208]

If Microsoft had stood up EA Access and these other programs, I'd be all for them. But the fact is that Microsoft has taken an anti-consumer stand at almost every turn over the last 18 months.

How the hell is EA Access anti consumer?

 

[block tower]

LOL what? Are you joking? Who thought horse armour was a good value?

the idiots who bought it, there were plenty of people back in '07 who bought it. but plenty of people like me who had Oblivion at the time called Bethesda out on their shit.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

What does that have to do with anything?

Because you would be a hypocrite?

 

[Exploratory]

The traditional method of buying games is already almost dead on consoles. How many complete and modern games have you purchased from a store without having to spend another penny to obtain all of the content, or to play it against others online if its multiplayer? Sure there will be a few, but not many.

And of course, traditionally you can buy a game and then resell it once finished. How well do you think the resale market will hold up if these systems become widespread?

Are you asking how many games can you purchase from a store that don't have DLC?

 

[Jackbooted]

the idiots who bought it, there were plenty of the peoole back in '07 who bought it. but plenty of people like me who had Oblivion at the time called Bethesda out on their shit.

So would you say Bethesda learned their lesson in terms of offering actual good value for DLC?

 

[cripterion]

Uh, I just outlined the choice. Choose PS4 if you don't believe in this crap or choose Xbone if you do. I hope people see through this shameless money grab and choose PS4.

No what you're saying is pretty stupid. I own both a PS4 and an Xbox One already and play mostly on pc so there are no sides to take. If such a subscription was deemed as a good value in my eyes I surely would like to have it as an option and not being dictated by someone else that it's wrong.

 

[DarthWalden]

yeah sure. i dont want modern gaming anymore ruined because people feel the need to pay for shit like this. i dont support the idiots that buy day one DLC, season passes or microtransactions either.

I'm not sure if this compares to day one DLC, microtransactions, or season passes.

A much more valid comparison would be PS+...

 

[n00bsauce87]

So is EA access on PC as well?

 

[flkraven]

Yes. Why do you think governments around the world have consumer protection laws? People are stupid and need protection.

Not having any protection has led to the proliferation of Pay2win, day one DLC, on disc DLC, season passes, multiplayer only titles for full price. Its all bullshit that could have been stopped if Sony and MS had told the publishers to do one.

Where do you get your information? We don't have consumer protection laws because 'people are stupid'. They exist to promote fair competition and free trade by preventing businesses from commiting fraud or outright lying to consumers. It is always assumed that consumers are rational, self-interest-seeking actors as long as the environment is fair and balance. EA Access does not fall within the same scope, nor is Sony consider a consumer protection agency.

If these laws were designed to protect 'stupid' consumers, why don't they regulate alcohol advertising more or restrict the sale of seemingly pointless products? What's funny is that these laws are designed to protect consumer choice, and give regular joes the right to 'vote with their wallets' and decide on their own what they want to pay for. These laws go exactly counter to the arguments made by those wanting these services outright banned before release.

 

[House Of Glass]

If Microsoft had stood up EA Access and these other programs, I'd be all for them. But the fact is that Microsoft has taken an anti-consumer stand at almost every turn over the last 18 months.

What ?

Microsoft matching Playstation plus with Games with gold is anti-consumer ?

Dropping kinect because people wanted more options is anti customer ?

Offering you the option to join ea's service is anti-consumer ?

Securing exclusives like Tomb raider is some how anti consumer now even though it's been done by all three companies for years ?

Constantly updating the OS at a unbelievable pace is anti-consumer ?


I'm not seeing it. I'll be the first to admit that they had a rough start, but since launch Microsoft has been nothing but Pro-consumer.

 

[Dunlop]

I'm not sure if this compares to day one DLC, microtransactions, or season passes.

A much more valid comparison would be PS+...

Lol

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Subscriptiongate

 

[RedNumberFive]

If not for those idiots, the game you're preordering likely wouldn't exist in the first place.

I don't use the word "hero" all that often, but those brave enough to buy DLC, keeping gaming alive for the rest of us, deserve the accolades.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

If I was an EA investor the first question I would ask is when they are going to monetise the service properly and charge for online gaming. To not do so is leaving money on the table like Sony last generation.

If you were an EA investor you would understand that locking online gaming behind EA Access is likely a great way to lose sales for many long-running franchises.

 

[twobear]

Yes. Why do you think governments around the world have consumer protection laws? People are stupid and need protection.

Not having any protection has led to the proliferation of Pay2win, day one DLC, on disc DLC, season passes, multiplayer only titles for full price. Its all bullshit that could have been stopped if Sony and MS had told the publishers to do one.

there's fuck-all 'anti-consumer' about releasing MP-only games for full price

you should have replaced that in your list with online passes

but i suspect their omission from the list was deliberate, given that sony was one of their earliest and most committed proponents

 

[Beefy]

I will pass on this like I will on the EA one. As long as they don't start locking stuff behind it I have no problem. But I can see them locking custom dlc ect behind it in the end.

 

[ash321]

I'm not sure if this compares to day one DLC, microtransactions, or season passes.

A much more valid comparison would be PS+...

It don't compares with other shitty pratices, it add to the other shitty bussiness make it shittier (is this a real word ?)

 

[PKrockin]

The traditional method of buying games is already almost dead on consoles. How many complete and modern games have you purchased from a store without having to spend another penny to obtain all of the content, or to play it against others online if its multiplayer? Sure there will be a few, but not many.

Well, I play on Nintendo platforms usually, so... almost every game I bought in the last couple years.

 

[brownfedora]

What ?

Microsoft matching Playstation plus with Games with gold is anti-consumer ?

Dropping kinect because people wanted more options is anti customer ?

Offering you the option to join ea's service is anti-consumer ?

Securing exclusives like Tomb raider is some how anti consumer now even though it's been done by all three companies for years ?

Constantly updating the OS at a unbelievable pace is anti-consumer ?


I'm not seeing it. I'll be the first to admit that they had a rough start, but since launch Microsoft has been nothing but Pro-consumer.

You call it pro-consumer. I call it desperation. They have four months to turn things around or it's over.

 

[block tower]

So would you say Bethesda learned their lesson in terms of offering actual good value for DLC?

no not all. because they went from amazing Shivering Isles expansion pack to regular bite sized DLC that was milked. Fallout 3 especially had shitty small DLC releases that were overpriced. Skyrim wasn't much better. all of the Skyrim DLC was maybe just as much content as the Shivering Ilses expansion pack, except the price of all the Skyrim DLC far exceeded the cost of the Shivering Iles. so again no.

 

[ypo]

Seems MS is always leading in anti-consumer grabs. Paying for online play, shitty microtransaction, shitty DRM, ads all over the place and now this subscription deal.

 

[Dunlop]

If you were an EA investor you would understand that locking online gaming behind EA Access is likely a great way to lose sales for many long-running franchises.

How do you figure?
Annual revenue stream
Incentive to buy online
Exposure to franchises that a person might not have purchased on their own

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Because you would be a hypocrite?

In what way?

I have never been murdered but I think it should be illegal, does that also make me a hypocrite? It would by your bullshit argument.

there's fuck-all 'anti-consumer' about releasing MP-only games for full price

you should have replaced that in your list with online passes

but i suspect their omission from the list was deliberate, given that sony was one of their earliest and most committed proponents

Add it if you want. Also, I was thinking of MAG, an SCE title...

 

[IAmRandom31]

Potential Bad Things

1.) services like PS+ will no longer get free games from these publishers. They will instead want you to pay them through their monthly service

2.) I can see DLC or other things being locked behind this sub service. Only able to get x DLC if you are a member of the club

3.) no more demos from these publishers unless a member.

4.) early access only available to members

Such like that is what I could see occuring here. Not at first but when early subs are low they will add exclusive stuff like this to entice subs

 

[JesseEwiak]

I don't use the word "hero" all that often, but those brave enough to buy DLC, keeping gaming alive for the rest of us, deserve the accolades.

Hey, like it or not, but if you don't think budgets for games (and their resulting complexity and graphical fidelity) doesn't include assumed DLC purchases, you're fooling yourself.

 

[Jackbooted]

You call it pro-consumer. I call it desperation. They have four months to turn things around or it's over.

This is certainly an interesting narrative you are sticking to here. Do you honestly believe that the XB1 is going to just mysteriously vanish in 4 months time if they don't "win" December?

I'm going to let you in on a secret here. Sony is going to "win" December and the XB1 will still be selling systems.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

In what way?

I have never been murdered but I think it should be illegal, does that also make me a hypocrite? It would by your bullshit argument.

I thinking you're being intentionally obtuse here.

 

[DarthWalden]

It don't compares with other shitty pratices, it add to the other shitty bussiness make it shittier (is this a real word ?)

That's not even a real sentence

 

[SEGAvangelist]

How do you figure?
Annual revenue stream
Incentive to buy online
Exposure to franchises that a person might not have purchased on their own

Many people would all out boycott EA if they had to pay 2 subs a year just to play EA games online. I certainly would.

 

[Dunlop]

Many people would all out boycott EA if they had to pay 2 subs a year just to play EA games online. I certainly would.

I'm talking about the service as it is offered now, not some made up dark future

 

[jem0208]

You call it pro-consumer. I call it desperation. They have four months to turn things around or it's over.

Seriously? I don't understand this mindset at all.


"I don't care that they made their product better, They're just trying to make me like it!"

 

[intheinbetween]

Hopefully Capcom & Sega follow, i want my Powerstones, Rival Schools, Outriggers and other classics digital on PC/XB1/PS4 etc

I'd love that :\

 

[Steroyd]

And with that the trifecta of EA, Activision and Ubisoft is complete.

I know this has been said a million times in threads, but the 'sheep' who buy AAA games help fund many of the smaller titles available today, either directly or indirectly. Without Assassin's Creed selling millions, Child of Light ain't getting made.

You're going to have to list these "many" games because I'm only seeing Ubisoft out of the three that does those types of games and even then not too often given that AssAss is an annual title.

 

[EvB]

Microsoft fucked up.

PS+ Brought about this gamepocalypse long before it was even a glint in EA's eyes.

 

[ash321]

That's not even a real sentence

Well my bad.

 

[JesseEwiak]

Potential Bad Things

1.) services like PS+ will no longer get free games from these publishers. They will instead want you to pay them through their monthly service

Sony doesn't have any inherent right to be the exclusive provider of free games. If EA Access or AciPlus or UbiFree is a better value, good for them.

2.) I can see DLC or other things being locked behind this sub service. Only able to get x DLC if you are a member of the club

Any DLC worth anything will be released to the general public. Oh no, a special skin or MP map that wouldn't have been made w/out this service in the first place might be behind the paywall. The horror!

3.) no more demos from these publishers unless a member.

There are no more demos anymore anyway.

4.) early access only available to members

Great. I don't want to pay for a game before it's done anyway. If you want too, pay the fee to do so.

 

[Xando]

If you were an EA investor you would understand that locking online gaming behind EA Access is likely a great way to lose sales for many long-running franchises.

The average joe doesnt care about 30€ more or not if they can play their annual COD,Fifa or Madden.

Examples like DLC and microtransaction shows that the overwhelming majority of these gamers doesnt care what they have to pay to play their annual 2-3 games.

 

[CambriaRising]

We have now come full circle. Thanks EA.

 

[House Of Glass]

You call it pro-consumer. I call it desperation. They have four months to turn things around or it's over.

Welp, that's it people. brownfedora has spoken...They have 4 months or time is up lol.

Between Forza, Sunset overdrive, and Halo they'll be fine. Sell more than Sony every month ? Probably not, but they have the better exclusives this holiday, so it will sell.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I'm talking about the service as it is offered now, not some made up dark future

You must have misunderstood what I wrote earlier, then.

 

[cripterion]

You call it pro-consumer. I call it desperation. They have four months to turn things around or it's over.

Ok now I see you're just another dude with an agenda.

 

[rokkerkory]

The PS2's domination was great for gamers. Developers could take more risks because they could target a gigantic installed base. I want that again.

Not to mention we stop these ridiculous subscription programs dead in their tracks.

Like PS+ ?? lol

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Micreaubisoft just shot themselves in the foot.

 

[SerTapTap]

Gross gross gross. Is EA bringing Access to PC? If Sony continues to say no I wonder what happens with this sort of thing. Seems very weird to have it Xbox One only. increasingly glad I don't really buy Ubisoft or EA games.

 

[Jackbooted]

no not all. because they went from amazing Shivering Isles expansion pack to regular bite sized DLC that was milked. Fallout 3 especially had shitty small DLC releases that were overpriced. Skyrim wasn't much better. all of the Skyrim DLC was maybe just as much content as the Shivering Ilses expansion pack, except the price of all the Skyrim DLC far exceeded the cost of the Shivering Iles. so again no.

Are you purchasing all of this (or other) DLC even though in your eyes it is a poor offering?

 

[PhatSaqs]

No worries here. I think it makes perfect sense honestly. Sony will give in sooner or later.

 

[Eggbok]

Wasn't EA the first to start online passes too?

 

[Dunlop]

You must have misunderstood what I wrote earlier, then.

Lol probably sorry, the train i am on is packed so reading on my phone is abitch

 

[Ludist210]

Don't like this. I don't like having multiple publishers each with their own subscription service. I'm already paying for PS+, don't want to have to shell out more for each individual publisher's stuff...