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[Jarmel]

Well people shouldn't have expected 60.

30 locked itself would be a miracle.

 

[Derp]

They don't have to say that... just say with 30 frames per second they can get the game to look better with nicer effects like tesselation, etc.

I have absolutely no idea why they wouldn't want to say something like this. It makes it sound infinitely better.

They must've thought we would believe it. Not sure how the hell that's even possible considering the reactions when this happened before. I don't know how these PR people have jobs.

 

[Maintenance]

It's an opinion, but yea it does. The character even seems to have the same gait as a demon souls character. The textures seem improved, but everyone saying it's a souls game isn't just flattery.

Isn't the combat much faster in Bloodborne, though?

 

[Basketball]

Give us Smooth!
Yes!
You!
Give us Silky!

30 FPS

:/

 

[HeelPower]

Can somebody name one game that's structurally similar to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls on PS3/360 that's locked 30 fps let alone 60 fps ?

They did a damn good job with that they had.From actually ARE competent at tech.
I mean just compare compare their efforts with giants like Bethesda's skyrim and fallout 3.

Souls run great for the hardware they were made on.It boggles my mind that people constantly label From as being bad at tech when I can't think of any structurally similar game on the consoles that runs better.

 

[hitsugi]

eh, this 30 fps stuff will die down with the PS5.

 

[Amentallica]

That difficult to say that attaining 60fps was not possible given hardware limitations? Because I hate these types of responses.

 

[Calabi]

Well looks like its confirmed all devs seem to have decided next gen is now 30fps, because its more cinematic and the best for whatever game type they are deciding to make.

I dont mind 30fps I can live with it but it seems like a pattern, there's not even an attempt to get to 60fps. And I really hope they dont truly believe that 30fps is better than 60fps. Beginning to regret my decision to get a console.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Why not just be honest and say you want to have a next gen looking game and you're happy with 30fps/1080p. Stop with the lies, if there was that much extra power to get 60fps with ease they would NOT lock it down at 30.

 

[atr0cious]

Isn't the combat much faster in Bloodborne, though?

I haven't played it, but the reports are that it's faster, but still very much souls, just 'different'. I mean that's a major selling pint, and every one freaks at the slightest change to the souls "formula", the cries of woe over the director discussing accessibility comes to mind.

 

[Jarmel]

Well looks like its confirmed all devs seem to have decided next gen is now 30fps, because its more cinematic and the best for whatever game type they are deciding to make.

I dont mind 30fps I can live with it but it seems like a pattern, there's not even an attempt to get to 60fps. And I really hope they dont truly believe that 30fps is better than 60fps. Beginning to regret my decision to get a console.

30 vs 60 will always be a design decision until we get some crazy exotic hardware or whatever. It's not going away.

 

[Hidden One]

*Sigh* They might as well go on and say they can't achieve those type of graphics and maintain locked 60fps on PS4.. Maybe next gen with PS5 guys. The dream is dead :/.

 

[jblank83]

I don't understand why devs can't just say going for 60fps would sacrifice visuals or the amount of things on screen and so on, and they feel that's more important than 60fps so instead they're gonna go for 30fps.

I doubt Sony or Microsoft would be happy about that.

 

[fuzzyreactor]

Isn't the combat much faster in Bloodborne, though?

It's not much faster than Demons Souls which was a lil faster than Dark Souls

 

[HeelPower]

It's an opinion, but yea it does. The character even seems to have the same gait as a demon souls character. The textures seem improved, but everyone saying it's a souls game isn't just flattery. Nothing wrong with being an expansion pack, mind you.

They may have borrowed or reused some animations from Dark Souls because they're damn good.

Claiming that its an expansion pack to Demon's Souls is ludicrous at best,however.

 

[MidgarBlowedUp]

Just make the game 1080i, then claim each field is a frame.

 

[ICPEE]

 

[Maintenance]

It's not much faster than Demons Souls which was a lil faster than Dark Souls

Ok, thanks.

I haven't played it, but the reports are that it's faster, but still very much souls, just 'different'. I mean that's a major selling pint, and every one freaks at the slightest change to the souls "formula", the cries of woe over the director discussing accessibility comes to mind.

I understand what you're saying in the last part, but I still think it is a different take on the Souls formula, one with a little bit more "speed'.

 

[atr0cious]

They may have borrowed or reused some animations from Dark Souls because they're damn good.

Claiming that its an expansion pack to Demon's Souls is ludicrous at best,however.

Nothing wrong with an expansion pack, CD project puts them out, tweaking the game and adding to it, and no one is more respected. The animations are acceptable, but after playing just the Bayo 2 demo, using the same animations comes off as a waste of an opportunity. The flinch animations of Bayo2 alone elevate it above standard faire.

 

[justjustin]

Yep. Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry and Bayonetta could have been even better at 30fps. Too bad they had all those extra frames, because I could too easily see what was going on and I would receive feedback from my actions too fast. It was rough, but I didn't let high framerate get in the way of a good game.

 

[Hypron]

It's an opinion, but yea it does. The character even seems to have the same gait as a demon souls character. The textures seem improved, but everyone saying it's a souls game isn't just flattery. Nothing wrong with being an expansion pack, mind you.

Sorry but I just don't see it, like, at all. The graphics are massively better. The textures, character models, lightning, physics, animations (not all of them but overall), resolution... Everything is better. The combat feels souls-y but it's different at the same time with the emphasis on offense, with charged and transform attacks.

There is a way bigger differences between Bloodborne and Demon's Souls than there are between Demon's and Dark Souls. I have never seen an expansion pack that comes even remotely close to that. It's just what it is: a new game. And I played it btw.

 

[GorillaJu]

It's an opinion, but yea it does. The character even seems to have the same gait as a demon souls character. The textures seem improved, but everyone saying it's a souls game isn't just flattery. Nothing wrong with being an expansion pack, mind you.

Okay it's an opinion , but it's an atrocious one.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Nothing wrong with an expansion pack, CD project puts them out, tweaking the game and adding to it, and no one is more respected.

What the shit are you talking about? In no way does Bloodborne relate to the enhanced editions of Witcher 1 and 2. It is absolutely a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls, but in no way is it an "expansion". Do you think Activision has been releasing Modern Warfare expansions since 2007? Or EA with Madden every year. No, they're fucking sequels.

 

[Derp]

I doubt Sony or Microsoft would be happy about that.

I'm sure they are aware that we know the consoles are weak. Whatever they say is all directed at the hardcore dedicated gamers (people on forums and such), because the casual folk that just buy games and hardly research will not give two shits, so pretending there is no hardware limitation would make them sound even more stupid to us.

They are attempting to fool the audience that can't be fooled. And the audience that CAN be fooled aren't even reading this shit. They don't even care. They'll buy the game anyway. They don't need any convincing.

They should just tell the truth, and MS/Sony shouldn't care. We know the consoles aren't powerful. The lies just make everything worse.

 

[gogogow]

It's ridiculous to say that 30fps is the best for action games. You gain nothing with 30fps, only more latency. Games running at 60fps have way less latency. The lower the better for action games like the Souls games, DMC, Bayo, NG etc. where parrying, dodging enemy attacks are so important.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Okay it's an opinion , but it's an atrocious one.

I think you mean atr0cious.

This is literally the first time ive heard someone say it looks like an expansion pack. atr0cious, can you clarify what you think an expansion pack is because I think you're mixing up terms, especially mentioning The Witcher 1 and 2 which don't have any expansion packs.

 

[Poimandres]

It's an opinion, but yea it does. The character even seems to have the same gait as a demon souls character. The textures seem improved, but everyone saying it's a souls game isn't just flattery. Nothing wrong with being an expansion pack, mind you.

Dude, go back and watch/play some Demon's Souls then watch some Bloodborne videos immediately after. There is quite a difference between the two!

An expansion pack typically showcases less changes than a true sequel. I think the generational jump, change of setting and new gameplay mechanics means this game has more differences from its predecessors than most sequels. Yes, the Souls heritage is very clear in Bloodborne... but I don't know what kind of expectations you have of sequels if this looks like an expansion pack to you!

 

[aly]

It's an opinion, but yea it does. The character even seems to have the same gait as a demon souls character. The textures seem improved, but everyone saying it's a souls game isn't just flattery. Nothing wrong with being an expansion pack, mind you.

I know it' syour opinion, but I'm just not seeing it looking like an expansion pack.

 

[Hypron]

An expansion pack typically showcases less changes than a true sequel. I think the generational jump, change of setting and new gameplay mechanics means this game has more differences from its predecessors than most sequels. Yes, the Souls heritage is very clear in Bloodborne... but I don't know what kind of expectations you have of sequels if this looks like an expansion pack to you!

Yeah. If Bloodborne looks like an expansion pack then which game doesn't?

 

[Dynomutt]

Okay so after reading this thread a couple of things stand out.

1.) This producer is Japanese so I would not be surprised is something was lost in translation.

2.) The interview was held at a gaming convention so it might have been sudden so the responses might not be the best.

I know I'm possibly stretching and I won't dare step on consumer intellect by stating that the average person cant see the difference between 60 and 30FPS.

What I will say with all the vitriol is that this game wasn't made for "YOU" chances are the produucer made a game they are passionate about for the masses and fans.

I understand that with the new gen of consoles arguably there has been alot of expections and an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

I was out of gaming for a while due to some personal things and recently jumped back in with PS4. I have been amazed! (My friend has an Xbox One, Kinect/OS are primo! Congrats on SO as well.) We have been blessed with an excellent generation regardless of console, platform, or specs.

From indies to AAA we are lucky to have so many great games. Lets enjoy them with each other, friends, and family.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Does anyone else think that the game looks kinda meh? I mean there basically seems to be one setting only and severe lack of character customisation.

 

[-tetsuo-]

No one ever accused from of being tech wizards, but I think people care because Bloodborne looks like a demon souls expansion pack and maybe they thought they would use all the PS4s resources, and considering it's not multi platform, I'm sure most thought they would use it as a showcase, which 60fps definitely attributes to.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Well people shouldn't have expected 60.

30 locked itself would be a miracle.

I think it's reasonable to expect it given how powerful the ps4 is

 

[HeelPower]

Nothing wrong with an expansion pack, CD project puts them out, tweaking the game and adding to it, and no one is more respected. The animations are acceptable, but after playing just the Bayo 2 demo, using the same animations comes off as a waste of an opportunity. The flinch animations of Bayo2 alone elevate it above standard faire.

The game has completely different enemies, art assets, music,completely different weapons, new systems and it has been built completely from the ground up.

It is absolutely not an expansion pack by any stretch of imagination.Even if the walk animation is somewhat similar.

You are calling it an expansion based on 0.0005% of what makes up the game.

 

[The Inventor]

Oh, I see...no.
I could've seen coming something like "best for adventures" or "cinematic experience", but action games? My guess is he didn't know what to say, really. I mean, framerate is not the main problem, his statement is.

 

[Skux]

Oh man, they didn't even need to say anything. We knew it was going to be 30fps anyway, why fuck it up with this PR "30fps is the best" crap?

 

[Sami+]

I thought 30 was already confirmed but... man, I don't like hearing this kind of crap from devs I actually respect. C'mon. :/

 

[atr0cious]

I think you mean atr0cious.

This is literally the first time ive heard someone say it looks like an expansion pack. atr0cious, can you clarify what you think an expansion pack is because I think you're mixing up terms.

Expansion pack as in it takes what is the base of a game, adds to it. Something can be aesthetically different, but if the systems behind it are almost the same just tweaked, how is it not an expansion? People were pretty much checklisting Bloodborne to see if it had the same trappings as the souls games, with the contracts and covenants and what not.

And just because the AAA game industry has seen fit to release full priced iterative products as new doesn't mean I can't call it like I see it. And I consider modern sports games to be expansion packs as well. Even Ubisoft has more people upset about it's aesthetic than the fact that it's like the 12th in an every iterating series.

 

[DoubleTake]

Does anyone else think that the game looks kinda meh? I mean there basically seems to be one setting only and severe lack of character customisation.

You havent been following the game closely enough. They've confirmed multiple times that character customization is in and that there are olaces to visit outside of the city. Hell we even see some in the trailers.

 

[Kuro]

No one ever accused from of being tech wizards, but I think people care because Bloodborne looks like a demon souls expansion pack and maybe they thought they would use all the PS4s resources, and considering it's not multi platform, I'm sure most thought they would use it as a showcase, which 60fps definitely attributes to.

But most of all, I think people are just disappointed devs keep using this "30 fps is great" fallacy, especially when games like Mgs, smash, Bayo, and even TLOU show it's factually wrong. Especially when From is only targeting 30, not even a wait and see if we have to pair down.

You fit your username quite well.

 

[robertlebrone]

I just don't get why developers keep saying this.....

Me either... why? lol

 

[binaryrevolt]

I figured this game was going to be 30fps anyway but this kind of statement is pure ignorance.

 

[10k]

That quote was all kinds of stupid. Wow.

Targeting 30fps is fine. But don't say its the best for action games when history has shown the best ones have been 60fps.

 

[Kuro]

Does anyone else think that the game looks kinda meh? I mean there basically seems to be one setting only and severe lack of character customisation.

Now it seems like people are coming out and trying to talk the game down just because a producer from Japan Studio said a GAF no-no when it comes to fps. Are we really going to have 20 page threads every time a game is 30fps on next-gen consoles.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Can somebody name one game that's structurally similar to Demon's Souls and Dark Souls on PS3/360 that's locked 30 fps let alone 60 fps ?

They did a damn good job with that they had.From actually ARE competent at tech.
I mean just compare compare their efforts with giants like Bethesda's skyrim and fallout 3.

Souls run great for the hardware they were made on.It boggles my mind that people constantly label From as being bad at tech when I can't think of any structurally similar game on the consoles that runs better.

Blighttown, Lost Izalith, and many other areas have massive frame drops during gameplay. Dark Souls did not run great by any means.

 

[Gator86]

Expansion pack as in it takes what is the base of a game, adds to it. Something can be aesthetically different, but if the systems behind it are almost the same just tweaked, how is it not an expansion? People were pretty much checklisting Bloodborne to see if it had the same trappings as the souls games, with the contracts and covenants and what not.

And just because the AAA game industry has seen fit to release full priced iterative products as new doesn't mean I can't call it like I see it. And I consider modern sports games to be expansion packs as well. Even Ubisoft has more people upset about it's aesthetic than the fact that it's like the 12th in an every iterating series.

Enh, I'm not entirely sure you could call it an expansion pack. Having played a fair amount of the alpha, it's a substantially different game. Your character is much, much more agile and the weapon transforming mechanic makes combat feel pretty different although still distinctly Souls.

It's all clearly based on the Souls framework but I think it's enough to justify it's existence as a separate entity.

 

[Gorillaz]

From Gawdware your better then this. Just go for 30 dont throw out lines like that lol

 

[GayForMaster]

30 FPS best for action? Kamiya shits on you!

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

You havent been following the game closely enough. They've confirmed multiple times that character customization is in and that there are olaces to visit outside of the city. Hell we even see some in the trailers.

I've been following the game more or less closely but we have seen any other thing place or character though.

 

[Jackbooted]

Give me 1080p/30fps or death?